I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia

[Misha]

All hat no cattle.

No, I simply prefer my anonymity. But, feel free to post your photo.

[SFandEE]

perhaps it was a bit much to mention it, but it seems like every girl over there preferred that.

I think the solution to resolving this controversy is embracing "The Law of Attraction".

[pitbull]

I'm friendly, I have a pretty good smile and really I don't know why, they just seemed to love me. I don't have an answer for it. The last girl described it as her feeling like  servant and me being a king and said everyone loved me because I was good looking, fun, friendly and successful. She said for most of these girls I was a dream and that's why she was always jealous. and this girl was really really pretty. She said for 4 years boys tried to win her heart and not one boy came close and within 10 days I had..

Heres a picture of me and then one of me and the last girl I was with who said she left like a servant to me.

For the non believers you can kind of see the watermark on this photo that says geometria.ru

AB, you are very cute, I buy your story. Looks like American hook-up culture has reach the young generation in Russia. 
 

[Gator]

"Preferred" ?!? I wrote earlier that I suspect your experience in the FSU was anomalous. If true that "every girl" you encountered in Russia "preferred" anal sex, it further reinforces that your experience was far from the norm.

- Dan

Agree with Dan.  I believe most would consider this area as "off limits."  Young people differ in many ways especially considering that the RM expects the woman to take responsibility for birth control, according to Lily's contrast of CM with RM.

[Boethius]

RM expects the woman to take responsibility for birth control, according to Lily's contrast of CM with RM.

WM largely would as well were they not afraid of 20 years of child support.

[Gator]

WM largely would as well were they not afraid of 20 years of child support.

Maybe, but the legal liability alone (18 years in Florida) is enough to compel protective measures.  Moral responsibility is just as significant.

[AmericanBoy]

Olga nobody has that much charisma.  If he's going into the sex clubs that proliferate throughout Moscow and other Russian cities or dealing with pros he can have sex several times a day everyday of the week.  But he hasn't filled us in on where this happened, all he's said is not Moscow.  AB please tell us where these escapades of yours happened.

Bill you're beating a dead horse. You don't believe me and there's no way for me to prove it to you so please move on.

I was in a city near Yekaterinburg, but even this proves nothing.

"Preferred" ?!? I wrote earlier that I suspect your experience in the FSU was anomalous. If true that "every girl" you encountered in Russia "preferred" anal sex, it further reinforces that your experience was far from the norm.

- Dan

How many russian girls have you slept with? Honestly don't know what to tell ya.. This obviously isnt every girl in russia but it seemed very normal from my take.

Just saw this thread--was hoping AB would be able to hang in with this crowd of salty dogs, but he made it to 5 pages.


I thought it was a good read--some important discussions, reliable tones from the Heroes, but an important discussion.  What I always wonder in such discussions is if anyone has doubts to the character of Russians and Ukrainians they should meet them here first.  My expectation is that would be insightful and help relate to FSUW abroad.


It would also be interesting to hear how a reasonably attractive foreign young man who hung out in the night club scene in US would post about his adventures.


I imagine not many cultures have night club scenes that don't result in a lot of partner sharing.  Maybe those lovely Muslim cultures don't allow fooling around between men and women that aren't married.


Anyways--hope AB isn't gone for good. 


Also enjoyed getting to know Vasilla--will be looking for your posts in the future.

I'm still around for now. I think my information is valuable but for some reason these guys are completely derailing my intentions.  Before I went to Russia I thought Russian girls had extremely good values and morals. The ones I knew from america always went to church and always seem to be extremely respectable. The girls there always took care of me in terms of being a good house wife. I got sick and one of them came to my house daily with medicine,  I had an issue with my toe and she bought all the medicines and would come and change the bandages every day. She always made sure my room was clean, I remember after the first time, I went to the bathroom and by the time I made it back the bed was already made. She always reminded me to take the medicine I was on if she wasn't around ( She'd say before eat take the yellow pill, after take white and blue). So in that sense they're great but loyalty and honesty is where I saw major issues. Maybe this isn't how many of them operate, maybe its because I was a bit of a dream for them. I don't know.

AB, try and see it from our point of view.
You're pretty heavy on the detail when it comes to 'neck/ear sucking' 'hands up dresses', 'chests rubbing', 'butt action' & 'Spetsnaz raids'. But it's pretty thin on detail about why, where, how you came to be there - heck, I don't even think you have mentioned what City or Cities you were in. You gotta give us something to try and validate your story.

I had treatment there which has already been discussed. I prefer to not to get into the details of it as I feel it's had nothing to do with the point of this thread. The only thing it will validate is whether I was there or not, which I deff was.

AB, you are very cute, I buy your story. Looks like American hook-up culture has reach the young generation in Russia. 
 

Thanks for the compliment 

Yes, i think sex is huge there. I rode taxi's all the time and seriiously almost every driver would ask what I thought of russian women then ask if I had sex with one yet, then tell me to compare to american girls.

[GQBlues]

LOL! Wow I missed this thread danggit...
 
American Boy-
 
I just read your first 4 posts and don't sweat the crowd, man. Different social crowd than what you're likely used to. Many/some of these men would even hire and pay strangers just to get them dates in Russia/Ukraine if you can believe that, but all is good anyway, right? It's like paying someone to fish out of a trout farm pit for them. Many are a bit on the stiff side.
 
I believe your story, even the club/bar scene. I believe your striped about the gals too. Rock City, Novo and Cafe Elie St Pete, same experience with me. Some of these girsl are so blatant as if they don't care you're with a date. Dog eat dog world, dude. Street sides, restaurants, kiosks, wherever...but keep it silent around here. RWs, for many of the folks here, are held as though they're the second-coming of mary..
 
Listen, you should PM TwoBitBandit. He's a cruiser like you. I've skied with him and he's very fun to be with. Cool and good-looking guy, too like you. Matter of fact, you guys can be brothers, dude. Hook up with him if you can as you two can really have a blast together, he's fluent in Russian.
 
However, when all is said and done, IMO, you still can't beat the local talent to me...
 
Either way, stay low and ring a few more bells, man...
 

[calmissile]

GQBlues    +1
I agree with everything you said.

[Admin]

How many russian girls have you slept with? Honestly don't know what to tell ya.. This obviously isnt every girl in russia but it seemed very normal from my take.

Seriously?!?

Are you next going to ask to compare something more . . . . personal?!?

Suffice to say I've spent substantially more time in the FSU than you have, and I am absolutely certain I've had more sex with RW than you have.

In terms of a less personal, more objective, response - the subject of RW preferences for anal sex is not an unexplored topic. If the Russian journals are to be believed, there are some surveys that have been conducted to explore this very question. As I wrote earlier, YOUR experience is VERY FAR from the norm - if you consider the Russian studies to have any merit.

- Dan

[Vasilisa]

AB, I wouldn't leave just now.  It is a tough crowd here.

My suggestion:  Stop posting in this thread.  Go to some of the other threads and add your comments as your knowledge allows.  But soft pedal for awhile.  Don't try to post as all-knowing, just as one other voice in the vast crowd.

Why is everybody attacking the guy. I don't understand that, I think some men here are just jealous because the guy is hot and young and the girls don't need him for the US but love him the way he is.

I've seen his pictures and they look quite fine to me, not fake and not artificial at all, I have a lot of Russian friends and when they take pictures with their Russian husbands, friends, relaitives they have about the same look.
I've read his story and it sounds quite realistic to me, he is a YOUNG HANDSOME boy who was partying with party girls in a big city where girls are young, quite happy they are students who love fun, have a lot of young boys around them, what kind of stories do you want to hear, it's his perspective, his truth.

So far  we have read a lot of  stories by old Romeos dating young girls who hang on their necks asking for money to come to their country and posing hard for the  nice pictures to show them to the migrational services.

He is opening you another world, if it sounds to many like the Americans one I disagree on that, you can see similarities in behavior, but I don't think American girls and Russian girls are the same.

[Vasilisa]

As I wrote earlier, YOUR experience is VERY FAR from the norm - if you consider the Russian studies to have any merit.

- Dan

It depends which circles you are in and how old you are, believe me. Moscow is just a city like NYC, etc.
But I still think that it's just a type of "modern behavior", "inside" part is different anyway.

And remember that the guy went to night clubs and looked for nice looking girls in vkontakte, I bet you if he came to a Siberian Monastery this thread could be a lot different.

[SFandEE]

He is opening you another world, if it sounds to many like the Americans one I disagree on that, you can see similarities in behavior, but I don't think American girls and Russian girls are the same.

You express yourself well  Vasilisa.  This statement "but I don't think American girls and Russian girls are the same." might also be another interesting new thread for you to start.  I know I would be interested in what you post.  I have experience with young FSUW here in the US and in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Ukraine.  I think a night club girl in US and FSW, might have several things in common, but would love to hear the differences too.  I do think there are differences, but the only differences that would matter to me in a serious relationship with a woman from FSU would be hard-wired differences of character and behavior. 

[Eduard]

Many/some of these men would even hire and pay strangers just to get them dates in Russia/Ukraine if you can believe that, but all is good anyway, right? It's like paying someone to fish out of a trout farm pit for them. Many are a bit on the stiff side.

They don't pay to get hooked up with a date. They pay for help to find girls who are looking for a serious relationship and family rather than a one night stand. They pay to really get to know these women to see if they can make a genuine connection.
Any one who goes to FSU just to get laid doesn't need to pay any one to do that. AB wasn't looking for a serious relationship and it doesn't sound like it found him either...

[Gator]

Why is everybody attacking the guy. I don't understand that, I think some men here are just jealous because the guy is hot and young and the girls don't need him for the US but love him the way he is.

I've seen his pictures and they look quite fine to me, not fake and not artificial at all, I have a lot of Russian friends and when they take pictures with their Russian husbands, friends, relaitives they have about the same look.
I've read his story and it sounds quite realistic to me, he is a YOUNG HANDSOME boy who was partying with party girls in a big city where girls are young, quite happy they are students who love fun, have a lot of young boys around them, what kind of stories do you want to hear, it's his perspective, his truth.

So far  we have read a lot of  stories by old Romeos dating young girls who hang on their necks asking for money to come to their country and posing hard for the  nice pictures to show them to the migrational services.

He is opening you another world, if it sounds to many like the Americans one I disagree on that, you can see similarities in behavior, but I don't think American girls and Russian girls are the same.

Logical explanation. 
 
You seem sympathetic, yet your personal style as expessed in your "kissing" thread is not promiscuous.  Do I detect some irony?  Such as, dating for a husband is different from dating for fun and pleasure.   If so, why not date for fun and pleasure and not care if it leads to something serious but keep the option open?

[Globetrotter]

Actually..............who cares what he does or how he thinks!  One can find anyone to do anything he or she likes.  If he likes it in the ass with her "strapping on" who cares?  If he likes doing her, again, who cares! 
 
Each to their own likes.....however....re-read our Florida friend's retort about "going to the doctor".  Being here for so long, I could give a $hit about some duffus's escapades about doing someone's ass...but as said, each to their own!
 
What next..........don't tell me.........he'll be a one week wonder when he meets the right ass!!!  Anyway, a duffus will always be a duffus.
 
So sorry Lily....I know you only like people to say nice things, even to absolute fools, but me is me!
 
 

[Vasilisa]

Logical explanation. 
 
You seem sympathetic, yet your personal style as expessed in your "kissing" thread is not promiscuous.  Do I detect some irony?  Such as, dating for a husband is different from dating for fun and pleasure.   If so, why not date for fun and pleasure and not care if it leads to something serious but keep the option open?

Gator, plenty of people here have already noticed that I am not the majority and a dreamer, I am NOT dating for pleasure and don't sleep with the men I meet in bars, I don't even go to bars by myself. I am a boring prude.

But it doesn't mean these girls don't exist, I know plenty of them. When I was a student my groupmates were celebraing one girl's Birthday in a downtown cafe and met an American man there, I remember they were taking a lot of pictures together and showed the rest of us, two of them even invited him to stay in the apartment they rented, I don't know if they have had sex or not.

[mendeleyev]

I arrived jan, 17 2011 came home april 7th due to visa issues, went back april 28 and returned home july 3rd, stayed home for 1.5 months before returning back to russia in august , and then recently came home march 3rd. So thats about a year altogether.

AmericanBoy, I'm not a doubter as it would seem that you have spent time in Russia, although perhaps in isolated or sheltered circumstances given your limitations in understanding a fuller picture of Russian life.

No worries, and I hope that you will clarify something. The first stint from 17 Jan to 7 April seems to be a legal stay of 3 months providing you had a 3 month or longer visa. The second from 28 April to 3 July is also within the legal 90 day limit if you had a one year visa. Unless your visa was issued by a Russian employer, a religious or charity organization or credentialed news organization, your visa by law contains the phrase Действует 90 дней из каждых 180 (valid 90 days of 180).

The 90 days don't have to be consecutive and depending on the number of entries allowed can be broken down further as long as you don't stay more than 90 out of the 180 and in the case of a year, no more than 180 out of the 12 months while keeping the 90/180 in mind.

The reasons for these limitations are obvious: to keep foreigners from taking jobs that would ordinarily be open to Russian citizens, and to keep a non-citizen from straining state welfare/health systems. Speaking of health services, a one-year visa comes with a medical certificate to certify that you are in good health and have no HIV/AIDS issues prior to entry. Those are conditions that you bring home with you later if the sex was as wild as indicated.

The second stint is more interesting as you returned before the required 90 day period of staying outside the country, although there are limited visa options (see paragraph above) to allow one to return prior to the current 90 day rule. For those not aware, even a 12 month business visa is limited to 90 days in-country and then 90 days out, and not more than 180 days in-country during a 12 month period.

The stint from August to March is an "over-stay" unless your visa was issued thru an approved Russian company as an employee (or via the Foreign Ministry for diplomatic, religious or journalistic purposes). As of early 2011, in the event of an over-stay you could have been penalized/fined upon exit and in this modern computer age your next visa application would be noted with the fact that you overstayed your most previous visit of which the penalty is a 5 year waiting period before you can reapply.

I understand that you mentioned "visa issues" with the first stint, but am I wrong in wondering if you overstayed your visa from August to March?

Thanks for answering.



(US State Dept info for those who plan to travel: http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1006.html#entry_requirements)

[Daveman]

...Russia is not exactly the hot spot for young men going overseas for medical tourism...

       I guess they have cheap light bulb removal.

[AmericanBoy]

Seriously?!?

Are you next going to ask to compare something more . . . . personal?!?

Suffice to say I've spent substantially more time in the FSU than you have, and I am absolutely certain I've had more sex with RW than you have.

In terms of a less personal, more objective, response - the subject of RW preferences for anal sex is not an unexplored topic. If the Russian journals are to be believed, there are some surveys that have been conducted to explore this very question. As I wrote earlier, YOUR experience is VERY FAR from the norm - if you consider the Russian studies to have any merit.

- Dan

I'm not trying to compare anything. You're saying my experience wasn't the  norm so I was curious if you have experience to state this, thats all.

Why is everybody attacking the guy. I don't understand that, I think some men here are just jealous because the guy is hot and young and the girls don't need him for the US but love him the way he is.

I've seen his pictures and they look quite fine to me, not fake and not artificial at all, I have a lot of Russian friends and when they take pictures with their Russian husbands, friends, relaitives they have about the same look.
I've read his story and it sounds quite realistic to me, he is a YOUNG HANDSOME boy who was partying with party girls in a big city where girls are young, quite happy they are students who love fun, have a lot of young boys around them, what kind of stories do you want to hear, it's his perspective, his truth.

So far  we have read a lot of  stories by old Romeos dating young girls who hang on their necks asking for money to come to their country and posing hard for the  nice pictures to show them to the migrational services.

He is opening you another world, if it sounds to many like the Americans one I disagree on that, you can see similarities in behavior, but I don't think American girls and Russian girls are the same.

I think GQ nailed it.  Maybe there is a bit of envy behind some of these replies. Nothing that I've wrote is exaggerated or fictitious. If I was to do that, I'd say I did alot more than what is written.

They don't pay to get hooked up with a date. They pay for help to find girls who are looking for a serious relationship and family rather than a one night stand. They pay to really get to know these women to see if they can make a genuine connection.
Any one who goes to FSU just to get laid doesn't need to pay any one to do that. AB wasn't looking for a serious relationship and it doesn't sound like it found him either...

In my mind I can't fathom the idea of a girl having an interest in me because of an escape from her country, or because I had a lot of money. For my age I have a decent chunk of cash in the bank but nobody ever knew it. I'm sure some of the interest was due to nationality but part of it was due to character. I wasn't looking for anything when I went there, unfortunately I found it. Both of these girls asked me to marry them. The young ones father invited me to stay with them when I was finished at the hospital. Her and I skyped a lot after she left and she had the whole plan that I'd ask her father for her hand and her heart. I told her I couldn't, that I knew this whole idea was impossible, she told me nothing is impossible if you want it bad enough, but really I couldn't.  The last time I saw her I told her I was going home and we could connect when I came back. I told her she was young, and to be single and to enjoy her summer. She said she couldn't survive a break up but after I returned home and reality sunk in for her. It was a like a light switch had clicked and she completely ignored me. I was the first for almost everyitng for her so I felt guilty because I really did care about this girl and I was her first guy for just about everything. A few months later her and I chatted and all is well. She had already started a new life.

The second girl told me she never loved a boy like me. When I left she begged me for a baby. She said she wanted to wake and go to sleep next to me every night and this was the only way. She asked me so many times to stay in Russia with her and started telling her family about me. I said a lot of meaningless things to her, probably used her in a sense but it made her feel good. People would always ask her " are you going to america?" and she would always say no, that her life was russia. After I left I told her that I needed to move on and she wrote me a long heart felt letter trying to explain this other boy and saying she was willing to travel all the way across the world for me. She signed it with " you can hate the grey mouse Lena, but just know there's a small heart very far away that loves and a mind that is always thinking about you"

When I went there I told myself " no girls no girls no girls" but it's something that was nearly impossible to avoid.

mendeleyev -

My first visa had issues because it was not the corrrect visa. I had to go back to america and get the correct one. It was a huge waste of money and we tried everything to avoid it. I was also fined 2k rubles. On the last visa, I was able to extend it. I had already left the hospital and my visa needed extended so I moved back, stayed for a week, then wen't back to the flat and stayed for 3 more months. Flat was only 300 rubles a day =)

[AmericanBoy]

Gator, plenty of people here have already noticed that I am not the majority and a dreamer, I am NOT dating for pleasure and don't sleep with the men I meet in bars, I don't even go to bars by myself. I am a boring prude.

But it doesn't mean these girls don't exist, I know plenty of them. When I was a student my groupmates were celebraing one girl's Birthday in a downtown cafe and met an American man there, I remember they were taking a lot of pictures together and showed the rest of us, two of them even invited him to stay in the apartment they rented, I don't know if they have had sex or not.

If I had to guess, I would say yes without a doubt

[mendeleyev]

My first visa had issues because it was not the corrrect visa. I had to go back to america and get the correct one. It was a huge waste of money and we tried everything to avoid it. I was also fined 2k rubles. On the last visa, I was able to extend it. I had already left the hospital and my visa needed extended so I moved back, stayed for a week, then wen't back to the flat and stayed for 3 more months. Flat was only 300 rubles a day =)

I don't wish to play prosecutor here but it is highly unusual to enter Russia without the correct visa.

You also don't extend a visa in Russia unless you are a diplomat or a journalist. Even religious/charity workers must leave the country and apply for a new visa when one expires.

[AmericanBoy]

apparently you don't know what the hell you're talking about

[mendeleyev]

apparently you don't know what the hell you're talking about

No offense, but I know it in far greater detail than you may realize.

[ML]

You also don't extend a visa in Russia unless you are a diplomat or a journalist. Even religious/charity workers must leave the country and apply for a new visa when one expires.

Mendy, are there possibly exceptions for persons incapacitated in a hospital?