I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia

[Daveman]

I already said it in the beginning. The russian women are great, minus a few things!

-Extremely beautiful, love to look good wherever the go. When I hit moscow airport it was likea  different planet. All I could here was " click click click" from the high heals. Even girls who shouldn't be all dolled up tried. Which is good.
-caring
-good house wives
-Hard workers
-thoughtful
-VERY jealous
-Very sexual
-Brash at times
-Russian girls seem to be much much stronger than american girls, mentally. Probably because they have such a difficult life and russian guys don't always treat them well. That could be a flaw for some of you guys too, if you're too nice. The last girl I was with told me if I wasn't so mean to her she wouldn't like me so much
- Very stubborn

I think their culture and way of life is much different than ours.. I think finding a young 18-20 year old girl would be ideal. She hasn't really had the chance to start life yet and can easily adapt to an American life. If any of you are worried about age a good gap doesn't seem to be an issue. I was with the 18 year old and I was 28. She asked my age and I knew she was young so instead of asnwering I asked her the same question. She said 17 and I told her she was just a baby and her and her friends said no no no its normal for Russia. The main thing was the cheating, it seemed to be the norm there. Girls with husbands and kids, girls that had seriously relationships. None of that seemed to matter.

-Extremely beautiful, love to look good wherever the go. When I hit moscow airport it was likea  different planet. All I could here was " click click click" from the high heals. Even girls who shouldn't be all dolled up tried. Which is good. 


Yep

-caring


That depends on the girl and exactly how one defines "caring"; The ones I have met definitely have a habit of "taking care of a man" even to the point where it can become too much...


-good house wives


I honestly don't know about that.. I haven't had too many Russian housewives.  As far as taking care of their house, yep, now that is true.


-Hard workers


Definitely agree there... it's amazing to me how much they do. 

-thoughtful


Have to agree there too. 


-VERY jealous


Stereotypes do exist for a reason...  I'm not sure if they are more jealous than anywhere else, but perhaps are much more vocal about it.

-Very sexual


Yep. gotta agree there too.

-Brash at times


heh.. so I've heard. 


-Russian girls seem to be much much stronger than american girls, mentally. Probably because they have such a difficult life and russian guys don't always treat them well. That could be a flaw for some of you guys too, if you're too nice. The last girl I was with told me if I wasn't so mean to her she wouldn't like me so much


Here I disagree.  I think they are neither stronger nor weaker.  They merely have specific behaviors/habits which lend that appearance.  AND, they have different mating games they like to play which also can lend that appearance to western guys, but also a generalization.  One UW I know is the antithesis of every generalization I've ever heard. 

- Very stubborn


The last three are related, IMO.  Brashness and stubbornness go a long way to give the appearance of "stronger".    They are survivors and mostly adapt to any situation, but that's not really all that unique is it? 

[Shadow]

Short comments.
About russian taxi drivers who refused to take money. Probably they are not taxi drivers but just drivers who give AB a short ride. Sometimes I do the same thing.
In the case if AB don't know why he was called American Boy by girls: this is a popular song from 1990s.

The real reason why the young generation would know this song is this, might be close to the dancing style of the OP...

[alex330]

Or a more recent song with Kanye that was quite popular...

[ghost of moon goddess]

In fact, it's one of the major hit songs of "Combinaciya" band, released in 1990
So the story of a Russian girl dreaming about an "American Boy" to take her away began in 1990

and it seems  it is still being written 

[Misha]

You know, I think you're right. My biggest pet peeve is liars and I guess I got caught up in the whole mess trying to prove I wasn't lying. For what reason, I'm not sure.

Well, what I do believe that you went to Russia for some unknown reason to get some medical treatment likely having to do with your legs based on the photos. There you met some girls and young women who were likely patients as well. That I can believe. The rest, well....

[Daveman]

In fact, it's one of the major hit songs of "Combinaciya" band, released in 1990
So the story of a Russian girl dreaming about an "American Boy" to take her away began in 1990

and it seems  it is still being written 

So it would seem! 


I like their song "Russian Girls" better though...

[missAmeno]

Well, what I do believe that you went to Russia for some unknown reason to get some medical treatment likely having to do with your legs based on the photos. There you met some girls and young women who were likely patients as well. That I can believe. The rest, well....

Misha, you know lots of about FSU mentality, so put 2+2 and answer will be obvious 
Russians know well the difference of living conditions in their country and West and dont see their life as a tasty cookie. Now imagine they see young handsome American Boy who comes to their country for medical treatment! Not a tourist that comes to view tourist destinations, but a young man that without knowing russian language have to live in same living conditions as them for significant period of time, without family or friends (and you know how much meens family support in FSU culture). Of course many have been supportive and trying to make things easier for him. Of course many young girls would feel attracted and want to take care of him.

About so many girls being attracted to him ... well I dont think it will be news to anyone on this forum if I say when FSU woman interested in a guy it will be obvious. We are quiet blunt in that matter. Now American Boy sees such behaviour of russian girls from his western mentality and experience and of course its shocking for him.

[Boethius]

It's called radical feminism...
They think it's okay to act like the worst of men did in times gone bye.
Cheat on their husbands and play the game of "one up."
Instead of working on the relationship, they have just look for the next best thing.

Yes, it's all the evil feminists fault.  Because women never slept around, cheated, or traded up before feminisim.

[Turboguy]

Unfortunately AB you came across as a womanizer at best and a sex tourist at worst. 

Well the consensus seems to be that the grandpas are giving him a hard time.  Heck, I am old enough to be a great grandpa and I don't have a bit of a problem with the experiences he has shared.  It just sounds to me like something most young guys his age would do or like to do.  He happened to be there and he enjoyed himself.   At that age it is great.  There is enough time to act like an old man when he is an old man.
As far as the sex tourist/womanizer comment he has no serious ties and I am not much of a fan of sex tourists, particularly if they use looking for a wife as a tool to get what they really want and have no real serious intentions.  Someone wants to go to Kiev, Amsterdam or Thailand and visit all the hookers they can find that is not something I have a serious objection to as long as the hookers they visit are over the age of consent.  AB comes of to me as a young single guy with no serious ties doing what most young single guys would do. 
This is Russian Women Discussion not Russian Wife Discussion.   I am enjoying the story.
I do find it hard to believe that three cab drivers didn't charge him but since he said it then I don't question it.  Maybe it was really his operation.  Long ago when I was younger than AB I drove cab part time for a year or so.  The only person I ever gave a free ride to was a young gal who normally would look proper on the first page of AWEB who had two black eyes, a bloody lip, and lots of bruses who I gave a ride to the Police station.  Perhaps instead of the charm it was really they felt sorry for him with the bandages and all.   
 

[chivo]

Rather than claim the title uncontested, it would be more sporty to have a contest.  That way your title would be accepted by all.   

Gator, just to clarify, I said "And none of you have as much ground time as me or have dated, talked to, slept with or been around as many RW as I have". This is an accumulative number of all the above, so no, no one here has, not even close. I'm positive of this as the number is well above 4,000 women and counting (I've meet 4 new women already since I've returned from America a week and a half ago, and I'm positioned to meet 2 more new ones next week. It's what I do). But OK, maybe someone can lay claim to this, but then I'd want proof. 
 
I didn't say I slept with them all. But I can safely say that I've spent extensive time with about 80% in some form or another. Believe me when I tell you I could have taken much more advantage of my situation than I have, but I'm not the type who feels good about playing with women's emotions (and how it would affect mine). Especially ones who are married or in a unfavorable relationship.
 
Hardly a week goes by that I'm not getting a call from some woman I've never met wanting my services. Most of these women have been referred to me by someone I know or knew, and most are not really so intertested in my services as they are in finding a man, if you get what I'm saying.
 
When the economy is good,, as it has been over the last year or so, I cannot begin to accommodate the demand for my (work) services.
 

If there is a contest, I nominate ML as a contender.   Chivo, you probably have more days in the FSU; however, you probably had to spend more time with  your job, thus stealing some of your time that could be used to cruise for talent.   Nevertheless, your Latin factor is a powerful and potent attractant.    

It might surprise you to know that my work involves meeting many people, most being women. It has changed over time, but in my first couple years here I was literally meeting, on average, about 50-75 different RW a month. So, again, just to state a fact.
 
Today I spend the majority of my time servicing businesses in places like Moscow City, Severstal, and similar business centers, places crawling with women. If I wanted, I could meet any number of women a week, so please understand my situation.
 
Just as a side note, next time you're in Moscow, trip over to Moscow City and see for yourself (as you can enter there without being harassed by security). It is literally crawling with women, most whom speak English BTW. Oh, and hang out at Starbucks for a few hours, or have lunch and see how many "available" women are hanging around and about. Meeting them, in many cases involves no more than having the balls to walk up to them and strike up a conversation. You (most) know this. 
 

Alternatively, perhaps Andrewfi, would come out of retirement and give you a good run.

    . Good one. Please, stop, you're killling me. Quite frankly, I play in a whole different league.
 

Meanwhile do not overlook the rookie stud muffin, Americanboy.

The reason I found most of his story believable is, having lived in the provinces, I've experience similar situations. Really, his stories are like a Disney movie compared to some of the things I've seen and done here in Moscow, so why wouldn't it be true for our "stud muffin".

 

On an inquisitive note, if ML wrote an account similar to Americanboy's, the favorable reaction would be less.  Why?

Simply ML is a man and AB is, well , a boy. You can read it in his writing. Nuff said.

[ML]

Quote from: Boethius on Today at 12:12:49 AM<blockquote>I do, because I suspect I know the type of medical procedure AB had done.  Not absurd if you know this (and I think my speculation is correct).
</blockquote>

And Tyumen is the best place in the world to have this medical procedure done?  It must be quite a secret Google doesn't turn up anything.

The next time you get one of those penis enlargement ads in your email, follow up on  it to see where treatment occurs.

Yep, you will have to travel to Tyumen.

[Boethius]

Gator on Yesterday at 10:07:31 AM
On an inquisitive note, if ML wrote an
account similar to Americanboy's, the favorable reaction would be less. 
Why?

Simply ML is a man and AB is, well , a boy. You can read it in his writing. Nuff said.

 
I won't speak for others, but no, that's not why. In general terms, AB is not going into lurid detail about his bedroom activities.  Were he posting about how many orgasms he gave a girl, and how he opened up their sexuality with vibrators and such, the reaction would've been the same.

[chivo]

It just sounds to me like something most young guys his age would do or like to do.  He happened to be there and he enjoyed himself.   At that age it is great.  There is enough time to act like an old man when he is an old man.
As far as the sex tourist/womanizer comment he has no serious ties and I am not much of a fan of sex tourists, particularly if they use looking for a wife as a tool to get what they really want and have no real serious intentions.  Someone wants to go to Kiev, Amsterdam or Thailand and visit all the hookers they can find that is not something I have a serious objection to as long as the hookers they visit are over the age of consent.  AB comes of to me as a young single guy with no serious ties doing what most young single guys would do.

Exactly. All the above.

This is Russian Women Discussion not Russian Wife Discussion.   I am enjoying the story.
I do find it hard to believe that three cab drivers didn't charge him 

Me too. The best I've ever done (after having a nice time driving to my apt), was offering the driver his original asking fare, and he refused. He took what we negotiated.
 

Well, my criticism was mainly driven by your generalization that all Russian women behaved this way, which is not the case as evidenced by numerous experiences of others. That doesn't negate your experiences, it just shows that we all have different experiences of a wide variety of complementary life that exists everywhere. Even when people experience exactly the same thing they will often give different and even conflicting accounts of it as coloured by their own perceptions and biases. That's why I said that I don't doubt you experienced what you said, just your interpretation.


FWIW, I agree that the posting of personal conversations is really not cool and I'd suggest that you take them down if you can or ask the mods to do it if the edit option has expired on your posts.

And really I think this is much of the controversy. There are many good RW here...many.
 
AB is like a kid in the candy store and, well take it for what it's worth.
 
 
 

[happyandstable]

So now AB went to Tyumen to get a penile enlargement all the while having massive sex with young Russian Girls. This story just gets better and better.

[GQBlues]

...
This is Russian Women Discussion not Russian Wife Discussion.   I am enjoying the story.
I do find it hard to believe that three cab drivers didn't charge him but since he said it then I don't question it....

Good post TG.

As for experiences in Russia, if things were always that predictable there, then Churchill was full of it, no?  There's a statement made in this thread (not sure where I read it) that in some ways, especially outside the bigger city proper, life in many parts of Russia is akin to living life in the US ghettos. I can see that.

As far as similar taxi experience in Novosibirsk (Point 'A' to Point 'B' being 5 minutes away), it runs counter to his experience. My driver wanted to charge me 500 rubles (  ). But I can see and understand what happened to him much in the same fold MsAmeno's expressed sentiments.

His age likely have something to do with it. As we all know, anyone or everyone with a car in Russia can be a taxi driver at any given time. I won't put it past any Russians of the same age who had some sort of feelings of 'camaraderie' and likely just enjoyed the moments of meeting a foreigner and all the niceties that go along with it. A foreigner in a provincial town. Even small town America shows that type of hospitality. So why can't that happen in Russia of all places....

I met a RM, Sergei, in a club one night and he had an entourage of 4 females with him. When he found out I was from LA, they lit up and wanted to buy me drinks all night long and even wanted me to hangout with all of his friends. The gals were more than accommodating. Wifey wouldn't have none of it. She and sister talked with Sergei and all of the sudden drinks were fine but the gals were zoned 'no-fly'.

The taxi driver I had in Moscow however was pretty memorable. He wasn't concerned about any fares with me. He was elated to find out I was an American and told me that if the gal I was meeting with didn't work out, he'd love to show me around (for free) and hang-out so I can experience RWs in a much different light.

Bottom line is, RWs complain about RMs' misbehaving ways and tendencies. I believe them. But really, who are these RMs cheating with. If it was so diificult to begin with, it wouldn't be as prevalent, no?

As far as the undertone message the OP is laying out, and as Chivo is pointing out, it happens. While I don't believe it's true for every single one, but there's plenty enough to realize is embedded in the society deep enough to understand it is a part of it. I won't say it's rampant, but it is a huge part of the mainstream.

I'm sure many won't admit it, or maybe just doesn't realize, there are women who had local BFs prior to, during, and even after their engagements with foreigners. I met and chatted with two gorgeous mid/late 20s dyevs at the lobby of Marriot in Moscow at 4 AM waiting for taxis. One was telling me she was bound for Italy in a very short while and was just awaiting final docs and tickets from Beau, while the other just started her paperwork for her American squeeze. For some, not all, work and living is tough but thank goodness for the MOB things have an opportunity to change for the better.

[Misha]

Misha, you know lots of about FSU mentality, so put 2+2 and answer will be obvious 
Russians know well the difference of living conditions in their country and West and dont see their life as a tasty cookie. Now imagine they see young handsome American Boy who comes to their country for medical treatment! Not a tourist that comes to view tourist destinations, but a young man that without knowing russian language have to live in same living conditions as them for significant period of time, without family or friends (and you know how much meens family support in FSU culture). Of course many have been supportive and trying to make things easier for him. Of course many young girls would feel attracted and want to take care of him.

Sure, I don't disagree with that. However, it seems that AB's read of the situation is a bit off    In one of the videos he posted, the girl (she looked like she was 14 or 15) was nervous and sitting sideways (odd body language). Is this how he interprets a woman being in "awe" of him? Would it be possible for a 14 year old to have a crush on a mid-twenties American guy (or any other mid-twenties fellow). Sure, or course. But these facts do not fit the rest of the story that is spun. Again, there are some nuggets of truth, but they have been greatly exaggerated IMHO to be no longer believable.

About so many girls being attracted to him ... well I dont think it will be news to anyone on this forum if I say when FSU woman interested in a guy it will be obvious. We are quiet blunt in that matter. Now American Boy sees such behaviour of russian girls from his western mentality and experience and of course its shocking for him.

Were there some young women attracted to him. Sure? Did some teenage girls have crushes on him? Why not. Did he participate in the sexual escapades he describes? Not so convinced. Those who have the need to talk about it the most, invariable are those that do it the least 

[Shadow]

Those who have the need to talk about it the most, invariable are those that do it the least 

I don't think I have ever posted about it....must be why the rabbits are jealous. 

[noelscot]

& if it didn't happen to you then it doesn't happen..... correct? You're too funny, guy. You hang onto some of the dumbest details. I asked that girl why she was in awe when she met me but she got offline.

 Honestly,  I know it doesn't happen in russia often. I actually told 3 people and they were shocked too

Alina who you read above

Alex. He joked and said one of 2 things, either he was drunk and forgot to ask or I wa drunk and don't remember correctly

Lena- Said the boy couldn't have been Russian.

The fair was only 80 rubles. The hospital was only a 5 minute drive from my house and I guess they were happy to meet an american.

I had some free rides in Ukraine too, for whatever reasons. So 3 in the span of a year sounds real to me. FSU people are sometimes generous, sometimes forgetful. The whys and wherefores don't matter. Your perspective on RW is entertaining and interesting, so please tell more stories about your travels and forget about proving everything to the resident pink panthers and Sherlock Holmes. Because your posts are fun to read for those of us who've not enshrined RW as saints.

[missAmeno]

Sure, I don't disagree with that. However, it seems that AB's read of the situation is a bit off    In one of the videos he posted, the girl (she looked like she was 14 or 15) was nervous and sitting sideways (odd body language). Is this how he interprets a woman being in "awe" of him? Would it be possible for a 14 year old to have a crush on a mid-twenties American guy (or any other mid-twenties fellow). Sure, or course. But these facts do not fit the rest of the story that is spun. Again, there are some nuggets of truth, but they have been greatly exaggerated IMHO to be no longer believable.

Personally I dont see "AB's read of the situation is a bit off" because he is young lad with western perception that had no knowledge prior visit about FSU culture, mentality and attitude. He reads the situation from his previous life experience.

Regarding girl appearance ... I seen enough girls both in Ukraine/Russia and in EU who are 14/15 and look like 18/19 and other way around - girls that 18/19 and look like 14/15. On video is clear that girl is sitting in front of AB and camera is placed on side, why she is nervous ... perhaps because she is aware he is filming or just nervous in front of AB ... who knows? ... and why its matter at all? 

Were there some young women attracted to him. Sure? Did some teenage girls have crushes on him? Why not. Did he participate in the sexual escapades he describes? Not so convinced. Those who have the need to talk about it the most, invariable are those that do it the least 

I missed where did he described sexual escapades? Or you count that girls showed interest in him as "sexual escapades"?



Misha, of course everyone entitled to their own opinion and believe what they want. I can understand why you are sceptical about whole story but wouldnt it be more interesting to find out more about AB experince (of course throught his perception as there is no way he can do otherwise) then question every single sentence in his story?

[Misha]

Misha, of course everyone entitled to their own opinion and believe what they want. I can understand why you are sceptical about whole story but wouldnt it be more interesting to find out more about AB experince (of course throught his perception as there is no way he can do otherwise) then question every single sentence in his story?

Who is questioning every sentence? I am just questioning those sentences that do not many any sense to me, whether it is the "spetsnaz" storming into the diskoteka to check passports or taxi drivers out of the blue deciding that they need not be paid their fares.... But, I see a pattern. If a guy is young and according to the women here, cute, then his word must not be questioned 

[missAmeno]

But, I see a pattern. If a guy is young and according to the women here, cute, then his word must not be questioned 

Nooooo, he owes me a diamond ring         

[AmericanBoy]

Misha, I'd realy like to see a picture of you, maybe this would explain some things... How old are you btw?

you seem so disgruntled at the at the fact that russian girls were into me.

"But, I see a pattern. If a guy is young and according to the women here, cute, then his word must not be questioned"

or maybe the better answer is the opportunities come a little easier for him...?

and that girl is 18, she's the girl I was with for 6 months.

and what the girl in the pharmacy said

"Today at 12:47 am
I am not familiar people do not talk russian, but when you told me in English, I lost the gift of speech, I will never live not seen foreigners"

as I said before, you believe what you want. You remind me of another guy I know, he always talks crap about certain people or assumes they're lying, accuses them of bragging about everything, and tries to pick out any flaw in their story. You don't know my life or what it's like to be me. I'm not saying I'm gods gift to women but I'm an alright looking guy and maybe walking a day in my shoes is much different than walking a day in yours.

[Misha]

you seem so disgruntled at the at the fact that russian girls were into me.

Why would I be disgruntled? It appears to me that you have a need to boost your ego and that you are taking some liberties with the facts to tell your story to this end... If telling these tales tales helps you somehow, then please do continue.

[Boethius]

But, I see a pattern. If a guy is young and according to the women here, cute, then his word must not be questioned 

It is rare on this forum for women to question a man's story.  A man's motives, yes.  His perceptions, yes.  The veracity of what he posts, no.
 
I was witness to exactly this type of behavior in Ukraine more than 20 years ago, and it was far more difficult then to find a place for privacy than it is now, other than for divorced women, or women whose husbands were at work.  No man there ever had any problem finding a woman for a quick roll in the hay, if that is what he wanted.  So, I don't find it at all implausible.  Nor, apparently, do men who probably have a lot of charisma, such as GQ and chivo. 
 
Just because it was never your scene doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
 
 
 

[acctBill]

For those who have never been to Moscow, the article is about the expat lifestyle in Moscow.  The Russian women in the article would be well beyond what AB could afford and probably even Chivo.  They're reasonably typical of what an expat on an expense account and a 6 figure income would encounter when he goes clubbing in Moscow today. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/8202242/The-truth-about-expats-and-the-high-life-in-Moscow.html