I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia

[mendeleyev]

Utterly laughable that some would say that any attempt to question a detail is the mark of someone either jealous, old, or has made all RW into saints.

If I see holes in a visa story, I'll ask questions. I'll do it again tomorrow if a detail brings out the urge. For those not well schooled in interpersonal communications, perhaps someone must take the time to explain that there is a difference in asking for a clarification versus when someone immediately makes an assumption without asking questions first.

Heck, I asked about the entry into Russia and the cities he'd visited and what were his impressions. Why? (For gawds sake I read the visa info so the fact that he was truly there certainly was not a question.) Perhaps by asking for his impression of his travels I want to know more about what he thought of Russia than just the women. There is more to Russia, in case anyone is interested. There was no answer and perhaps if the medical treatment kept him in bed for long periods of time a lack of travel and interaction with others outside the hospital environment would be totally understandable.

Did he sleep with 10,000 girls? I could care less. I'd be more interested in his interaction with everything he experienced in Russia, from food to architecture to trains to language to music to people, and yes, even taxi drivers. I find it very believable that he received free rides given the braces on his legs. Russian men (despite what many say) can be kind, decent and generous. Russia is beginning to see the disabled within her society and just this past 10 April President Medvedev submitted to the Duma the ratification of the Russian Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities which he signed in New York City last July.

Disabilities are a top priority right now and last week both President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin gave the green light to amendments regarding disability language for legislative changes in the healthcare and health insurance goal of gradually evolving from a single payer system to a market/individual health system by 2020.

As to others being enchanted by him: Russians are usually very conscious about what others think about them and so they love to talk with someone from another country. They tend to be naturally inquisitive about other cultures and so that part of his story I find very believable as well. Without a doubt they found him to be fascinating.

AB, I hope that the treatment you found there was helpful. Tyumen is a bit out of the way for complex medical services and most local residents would be chaffing for the opportunity to travel to more sophisticated medical centres but that is not always how the current Russian medical system works. But if you were able to find the treatment you needed there, God bless you and I hope it was helpful.

[ghost of moon goddess]

It's skype video with me and the girl from the picture a few pages back.  Messed up on translations should have been 3 days not weeks but you can here her talking about giving me an injection.

AB, are you sure that girl is Russian? She doesn't sound like a native Russian  speaker 

[calmissile]

Quote from Mendy

If I see holes in a visa story, I'll ask questions. I'll do it again tomorrow if a detail brings out the urge. For those not well schooled in interpersonal communications, perhaps someone must take the time to explain that there is a difference in asking for a clarification versus when someone immediately makes an assumption without asking questions first.

I think it was simply an unfortunate matter of timing.  AB was under attack and no doubt felt that with the dogs biting his ankles, it was just another question about his credibility.  Being new here he probably did not know the wide respect you have on the forum, nor your expertise on the visas.  I thought your questions were valid and he might be more receptive to providing details once he understands that it is not just another attack.

I have the same interests you do as far as being interested in his other impressions about his travels.

[Misha]

Utterly laughable that some would say that any attempt to question a detail is the mark of someone either jealous, old, or has made all RW into saints.

 


Isn't this a forum? If asking questions is now against the TOS, then perhaps I missed the memo 

[calmissile]

AB, are you sure that girl is Russian? She doesn't sound like a native Russian  speaker 

Don't  know Russian language, but I have to say this is a very cute gal and seems to have a great personality.   

[Daveman]

FSUW swarm me all the time. Always propositioning me... man, what a drag to be so popular... I told ya AB, I feel for ya.... and I'm not kidding. I get  tired of them giving me semechki all the time... and ALLLL  of these were all hot ladies!  (in 1950 or so)...


Come on everyone.. have some fun with the thread... and more importantly, allow AB to have a little fun as a new member here..  certainly doesn't mean that questions are off limits.. nor does it mean that he needs to furnish evidence..


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[mendeleyev]

Moon Goddess,

I understand your question at least in relation to where natural voice inflections should be for a native speaker. At first I thought her to have some kind of speech defect given that she seemed to stutter on a couple of occasions. However I think that the Skype connection may have been experiencing what is called "latency" due to its bandwidth. You can see that when the visual transcription lagged behind the audio and it could be that those inconsistencies are due to the inadequate internet connection rather than her speaking ability.

As a native speaker however you'd know better than myself.

[Gylden]

"The spetsnaz raided the night club to check passports"


You are certainly piling it high. The Russian special forces, the elite of the Russian military or police, would never waste their time raiding a nightclub checking passports    However, do on with your fictional account....

Misha,
This was your first post in this thread. Doesn't sound like a question exactly now does it?
It sounds like you are calling him a liar to me.

[OlgaH]

For those who have never been to Moscow, the article is about the expat lifestyle in Moscow.  The Russian women in the article would be well beyond what AB could afford and probably even Chivo.  They're reasonably typical of what an expat on an expense account and a 6 figure income would encounter when he goes clubbing in Moscow today. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/8202242/The-truth-about-expats-and-the-high-life-in-Moscow.html

Do you want to say that all Moscow girls wear fur coats and stick at the hotel bars and expensive night clubs hunting for dollars?  Moscow is a big city. BTW the prices are cheaper in so called "spalny raion"     Poor expats "are all trying to kill the pain of isolation from their own culture...  drinking a colossal amount"...   

[Misha]

Misha,
This was your first post in this thread. Doesn't sound like a question exactly now does it?
It sounds like you are calling him a liar to me.

True, I should have asked him first "Are you sure that it was really the spetsnaz who raided the club?" I apologize for that.

[OlgaH]

AB, are you sure that girl is Russian? She doesn't sound like a native Russian  speaker 

Her "что что английский?" sounds very Russian, but... Maybe she tries to copy his "Russian" thinking he will better understand her? 

[calmissile]

AB,

I am curious about how the translated language comes up on the video you provided.  Was it done manually by you, or is there a software applicaton that does it.  If it is software, I want it!  If so, what is the name and vendor for it?

[AmericanBoy]

AB, are you sure that girl is Russian? She doesn't sound like a native Russian  speaker 

she's deff russian. When I met her she didnt even know how to say "hi" in english and honestly, I didnt know much russian. I had already been there off an on for 9 months but I was always surrounded by people who knew some english. When I met her, she didn't even know how to say "hi". She had a roomate that spoke some english and taught her how to say "im fine" when I asked "kak dela". I remember the first time I asked, I could see her brain thinking and she uttered "I'm fine" then her face turned bright red.  I quickly picked up russian once her and I started communicating but she really simplified her words when she talked to me.  She told me so many times when she'd call home to her mom or sister they'd ask her what happen to her russian because it was so improper. Same thing goes for my engligh. My mom would always ask why I was saying something a certain way or why I typed like I had the education of a 10 year old.

[AmericanBoy]

AB, are you sure that girl is Russian? She doesn't sound like a native Russian  speaker 

Don't  know Russian language, but I have to say this is a very cute gal and seems to have a great personality.   

That girl is nothing short of amazing.  She has long black hair, bright greenish blue eyes, an amazing body, but the best thing about her is her heart. She always helped everyone int he hospital. She seems a little ditzy in the video but really its just her fun personalty. She was one of the girls I was refferring to as being a hard worker.  Around the holidays I'd go to her room while she was making food or decorationg and she'd appologize for taking so long but I loved watching her because she worked so fast and I could always see she was thinking ahead.  Whicherver boy ends up with her heart is a lucky guy..

and I'm the one that translated the video.

[calmissile]

and I'm the one that translated the video.

OK thanks.  It would really be cool if there was a software application that could do it in real time. 

[Eduard]

AB, are you sure that girl is Russian? She doesn't sound like a native Russian  speaker 

funny, I've never heard any one speaking Russian this way. I think she is Russian but she had a lot of experience with online translators and she speaks in a way that makes it easier for him to understand, not using correct grammar. I agree with you that it's not a normal Russian speach but I can see why she is talking like that to AB.

[OlgaH]

she's deff russian. When I met her she didnt even know how to say "hi" in english and honestly, I didnt know much russian. I had already been there off an on for 9 months but I was always surrounded by people who knew some english. When I met her, she didn't even know how to say "hi". She had a roomate that spoke some english and taught her how to say "im fine" when I asked "kak dela". I remember the first time I asked, I could see her brain thinking and she uttered "I'm fine" then her face turned bright red.  I quickly picked up russian once her and I started communicating but she really simplified her words when she talked to me.  She told me so many times when she'd call home to her mom or sister they'd ask her what happen to her russian because it was so improper. Same thing goes for my engligh. My mom would always ask why I was saying something a certain way or why I typed like I had the education of a 10 year old.

That explains.

[Eduard]

yes, I didn't see AB's explanation before I posted

[SFandEE]

Haven't followed every post about the most recent video conversation between AB and his FSUW friend, but I can read body language and that is a woman happy to be speaking with AB.

[Konfushus]

You guys should take up a collection and send AmericanBoy to Kazantip if you want to hear some really unbelievable stories. (Nothing AmericanBoy posted it out of the ordinary  )

Of course not all women in Russia are as unfaithful as AmericanBoy generalized. Many aren't. Enough are though to warrant guys searching for wives out there to pay attention and understand what is really out there waiting for them.... where's a smiley with a shark?

[Misha]

Of course not all women in Russia are as unfaithful as AmericanBoy generalized. Many aren't. Enough are though to warrant guys searching for wives out there to pay attention and understand what is really out there waiting for them.... where's a smiley with a shark?

That is where our opinions would differ. I would say that most women, even the young women, are quite faithful and they are the majority. But, of course, there are some, many even, that aren't but they are IMHO far from the norm.

[acctBill]

Do you want to say that all Moscow girls wear fur coats and stick at the hotel bars and expensive night clubs hunting for dollars?  Moscow is a big city. BTW the prices are cheaper in so called "spalny raion"     Poor expats "are all trying to kill the pain of isolation from their own culture...  drinking a colossal amount"... 

Olga certainly not all women in Moscow but my wife and I were in Moscow several months ago.  We visited several restaurants and nightclubs catering to higher income expats, they were all busy and many of the expats had young, beautiful Russian women with them. It's a truth for a small group of Moscow women.   

As for the cheaper restaurants you're right, although usually you don't have to travel far, a couple of blocks is often far enough. I don't think most expats like giving up control, so they stick to places they know, that will allow them to order in English and serve a meal similar to what's available in the US or EU. As for the drinking that is too true.  It's well known in the European business community that if you have an employee with a drinking problem don't send them to Moscow, you'll just worsen the problem. 

[OlgaH]

Olga certainly not all women in Moscow but my wife and I were in Moscow several months ago.  We visited several restaurants and nightclubs catering to higher income expats, they were all busy and many of the expats had young, beautiful Russian women with them. It's a truth for a small group of Moscow women.   

Here I agree about a small group. 

[Eduard]

You guys should take up a collection and send AmericanBoy to Kazantip if you want to hear some really unbelievable stories. (Nothing AmericanBoy posted it out of the ordinary  )

Of course not all women in Russia are as unfaithful as AmericanBoy generalized. Many aren't. Enough are though to warrant guys searching for wives out there to pay attention and understand what is really out there waiting for them.... where's a smiley with a shark?

very true, and I've been consistently warning guys about this, but usually I just get accused of "being a salesman". I grew up with these women and I can tell a wholesome woman with good values and morals from a woman who is not to be trusted. You really need to be a fluent Russian speaker and grow up in that culture to be able to figure this out on your own in a short period of time. If a WM spends considerable amount of time living with a woman in the FSU he will have a better chance to figure things out by himself in maybe 6 months or a year. But since most guys only visit for a few days, use local translators who are not vested in their success to find an honest woman, or do not use a translator at all and just try to wing it using electronic translators or rely on a woman's limited English they are truly playing with fire and just gambling with their lives.
As AB here I too was once young, and had my share of dates and relationships with many Russian girls when I lived in Russia. Had my share of cougars as well who were married but liked to play with young boys...
I've known FSU women here in the US who married a good guy, who is a good provider, good husband and father but when a handsome alpha male came along they were all over him and couldn't control themselves what so ever (not talking about me, I'm not that handsome and not an Alpha male). I'm part of the FSU expat community here so I see a lot what's going on and I see both, very good, honest, faithful women as well as lying, cheating, bitchy women.
In most cases I can tell them apart pretty easy, but there is no way an AM would be able to do this unless a woman has been here in the US for years and speaks fluent English! It's not just the language, it's life experience in combination with the language skills.
Be careful guys! I'm sure I will get attacked by some now accusing me of being a "salesman", but hopefully some WM who read this will take this to heart and have a better understanding of what they are dealing with. AB's account may be a bit more on the wild side because he is young and cute and was mostly dealing with the wild teenage and early 20s girls. If he was in his 40s and average in looks his experience would be a little different IMO.
But in any case, if you are looking for marriage and family it is important to get to know and truly understand who the person you are marrying is.


Another thing, if a woman is religious, doesn't mean that she will be faithful and honest with you. There is a very large Pentecostal and Baptist community from the FSU right here in Florida not far from where I live,  and I've dealt with them and I have heard stories... They are not married to AW, rather RM and UM and some do run around behind their husband's back. So don't assume that if a woman goes to church and believes in God she will be a faithful and honest wife to you. You've got to know what you are doing!

[AmericanBoy]

Haven't followed every post about the most recent video conversation between AB and his FSUW friend, but I can read body language and that is a woman happy to be speaking with AB.

Yeah, that girl loved me a lot. She would have married me in an instant if I had asked, my life is America though. I think I opened her eyes though, her husband was a bad boy and ddint treat her right and according to her, I was the first guy in 4 years who got her heart. She's not getting any younger so hopefully her bond with me showed her not all boys are bad and hopefully she'll find a good guy that will treat her right.

You guys should take up a collection and send AmericanBoy to Kazantip if you want to hear some really unbelievable stories. (Nothing AmericanBoy posted it out of the ordinary  )

Of course not all women in Russia are as unfaithful as AmericanBoy generalized. Many aren't. Enough are though to warrant guys searching for wives out there to pay attention and understand what is really out there waiting for them.... where's a smiley with a shark?

That's pretty much my point. When I went to russia I had a completely different view on the women there. I was giving an honest opinion to the boys who are on the hunt. Some of these guys seem to be hell bent on proving everything I've said is a lie.