I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia

[AmericanBoy]

No, I think it's about you. No need to put tags "bad girl" or "good girl." You are as guilty in cheating as they are. Decent people don't do what you were doing.
Although I do agree that part about giving you phone money and buying food for you even though she is in dare state - is quite typical for RW. The sad thing is that you never learned to appreciate good treatment, and don't know how to reciprocate. But then - look at paragraph #1 in my response.

It inst about me, these guys aren't looking for me as a wife, they're looking for Russian women. When this discussion came up on Vkontakte all the little Russian girls got defensive just like you, then all the Russian boys came in and told the girls to shut up because its all true. But please if you'll quote me, quote the entire paragraph rather than a small piece to make me look bad.

To say I didn't appreciate or reciprocate is absolutely foolish. I didn't need to give that detail, I chose to.

. Many times she bought me food, put money on my phone, I even asked her to buy a present for my roommate and when I tried to pay her, she refused. I also bought her things too but when I left I told her I was going to give her 10k rubles, for me, that money is nothing but I knew it would help her a lot. She refused and wouldn't take it, we actually quarreled over it. When I got home, I sent the money through PayPal to my friend and told him to give it to her and if she wouldn't accept it to tell her either she keeps it or he keeps it.

[mendeleyev]

When this discussion came up on Vkontakte all the little Russian girls got defensive just like you, then all the Russian boys came in and told the girls to shut up because its all true.

Grow up. Stop hanging around girls and boys.
 
If you aspire to be an expert on the subject, become a man.
 

[AmericanBoy]

We invite sometimes people whom we like and connect with to stay with us. And no, we do not have sex with these people. I had friends staying with me in the past, boys or girls, we never had sex. I stayed over at people's places, boys and girls - no sex either. It's a famous slavic "hospitality."

I've been trying to understand what brushes me the wrong way in AB's post, and I think I sort of know now.

Here is an American boy. Sexually liberated, friendly, open, wordly, but also what you would say "a classic guy next door" - charming, unintimidating, not uptight nor arrogant etc etc.

Then he discovers something so significant that he must share it with other people. Something that fundamentally changed his view of Russia. And what it is? Oh. Russian girls like sex too. Who would have thought, right? And because of this they are.... BINGO! - bad girls. AB, do you think it is wrong for a single woman to sleep with whoever she likes? Strange to hear these patriarchic nonsense from an "irresistible and oh so sexy modern boy."

Then he has several women making a pass on him while he knows they have partners and he concludes that cheating is the norm in Russia. Do you imply that I, my mom, my sister, and multiple cousins and female relatives are cheaters? Or do you imply that we are abnormal? Do you at least realize how offensive your words, posts and statements are?

And finally, here is this guy. Came to foreign country. People greet you with open arms, invite you to their home, invite you to their heart and soul, give you their money and time when they don't have enough for themselves - the standard "a russian will give his last shirt to a friend," and what sort of gratitude do they get from you? Your conclusion that they are ... immoral, cheating, and so on. Really? This is the logical conclusion you made? It would be very educating for all girls who dated you to read your posts in this thread. I bet you will be the first and last American they ever dated or talked to.

I'll keep it short because I'm tired of arguing the same points. To begin, as I've said many times over, I was in the Russia almost a year (241 days in the hospital) I saw so many people come and go and so many people cheat and I'm not saying with me, I'm speaking in general

And yes I came to a foreign country, and people did welcome me with open arms. Infact, I was treated as if I were russian, maybe even better. That doesn't change the fact of what I witnessed. You say that my post is offensive, I don't care. If the the truth is offensive then so be it.

[OlgaH]

Then he has several women making a pass on him while he knows they have partners and he concludes that cheating is the norm in Russia.

I though he wrote he found it later 

I met both of these girls in a hospital. Both told me "no, I'm single" and then later I found out both had boyfriends at home

[AmericanBoy]

   This is what has bothered me with this post from the beginning. Here we have our “Hero” AB with a girlfriend back home. Now he cheats on her while he was in a foreign country, and now comes and tells us that all Russian women are cheaters. He totally glosses over the fact that HE chose to go to Russia to get this medical procedure when he could have stayed home and done the same thing. Now he cries and says that he was all alone no one to talk to and he Needed some comfort. So he cheated on his girlfriend. He knew full well that going to Russia to get a medical procedure done would put him in this situation in the first place! Did he prepare himself by trying to at least learn the language rudimentarily before he went? My guess would be no. 

   So now, to rationalize his own bad behavior, he wants to blame it on the women he met in Russia. Where were his high morals when he was cheating on his girlfriend back home? Now when we call it on him he says we are judging him harshly. How can we be judging him when it was his own words that told us his story. Rather then be a Man and realize what he was getting himself into by going to a foreign country to get this medical procedure done. He instead uses it as an excuse to not only cheat on his girlfriend back, home but on all these Russian girls’ boyfriends and husbands (as he claims). Then he turns the tables around and calls them all the cheaters never taking responsibility for his own culpability. I suspect like water seeking its own level Our Hero sought out people just like him. Individuals that are willing to for the moment not care they have a significant other waiting at home and engage in what every behavior they deem appropriate at the moment.

   Then he turns around and comes here and tries to paint with a wide general brush and state that all Russian women are like him and share the behavior that he can not keep his wee little winnie in his pants. AB can claim anything he wants but at the very least he should admit that he is just as culpable as those he was unfaithful with. Who is worse the Cheater or the Cheatee. No difference IMHO.

Sometimes I really hate dealing with poeple on the internet.

I glossed over the fact that I went to russia for the procedure? I don't remember that at all, It was smart business. I paid under 20k dollars for everything in russia including my stay and ALL my treatment. In america the same procedure cost 90k dollars for operation alone.


& I never said ALL russian girls are cheaters. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE quote me on that. I would be ever so greatful. I witnessed a lot of cheating, from girls and guys but this is RUSSIANWOMENDISCUSSION!!!!! Don't forget it

Edit- one thing I wanted to know.... Happy, have you been to Russia?

[AmericanBoy]

I though he wrote he found it later 

Olga, they love to pick out bits and pieces and not read the entire story

[AmericanBoy]

Grow up. Stop hanging around girls and boys.
 
If you aspire to be an expert on the subject, become a man.

another foolish reply. Am I aspiring to be an expert in the subject?

lol @ "hanging around" people on the internet? It was a discussion such as this.

[mendeleyev]

You think like a child, write like a child, and address others as children.
 
Drop the Russian boys and Russian girls routine and start considering yourself as a man as well.

[AmericanBoy]

Don't worry about me or the way I behave. My behavior has gotten me through life just great.

[happyandstable]

Don't worry about me or the way I behave. My behavior has gotten me through life just great.

    I am not worried about you in any way shape or form. I am worried about anyone that gets into a relationship with you, seeing how you treat other people's trust in you!

[AmericanBoy]

That wasn't directed at you, but you shouldn't worry about them either. . .

[Muzh]

You think like a child, write like a child, and address others as children.
 
Drop the Russian boys and Russian girls routine and start considering yourself as a man as well.

Mendy, don't pop a vein. Chill.

The kid is just starting to live. I'm pretty sure he has no clue what will happen next, and between you and me, there's nothing wrong with that.

I understand your frustration so I'll try to explain to AB.

AB, this would be the wrong thread for you. You have to reach where the boys and girls get together for this kind of topic.

This here is for adults. However, you are more than welcome to join in as long as you behave like an adult.

Thx.

[BC]

AB,

Just FYI, I think the average age of men here is around 40+ 

As stated before I do think your approach is quite ok for someone in your age bracket, but remember it's hard trying to teach old dogs new tricks....

LOL

[mendeleyev]

& I never said ALL russian girls are cheaters. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE quote me on that. I would be ever so greatful. I witnessed a lot of cheating, from girls and guys but this is RUSSIANWOMENDISCUSSION!!!!! Don't forget it

Okay.
 

Russian girls seem to not have very much loyalty. I was in Russia most of this past year and girls were cheating on their husbands and boyfriends with me left and right, even girls who I would never expect it from...If you guys have an questions, let me know. As I said I spent a year there and connected with tons of girls...

 
 
and...
 

Most of you are here in search for a Russian bride. I'm just trying to give you some insight on my experience with Russian girls in general.

 
Oh, how about a clarification on this:
 

My girlfriends always treated me as if I was their husband and they both were very loyal to me after we created a relationship, probably because I was a decent looking American boy.

Are we being asked to believe that Russian women are characteristically unfaithful, but once they have a decent looking American it all changes?
 
 

[mendeleyev]

BC, this has nothing to do with age. But you already knew that.
 
 
 

Mendy, don't pop a vein. Chill.

 
Muzh,
 
The title of the thread is about what he experienced in Russia.
 
I've asked the child several times to share some of his observations about the other legitimate things he saw, not just "girls", and each time that is ignored.
 
Of course I'm a doubter. I'm finding it difficult also to fathom how someone with a medical condition found time to meet "tons" of women across Russia (his words) yet spent so much time in a hospital.
 
Not popping a vein and will try to chill.    I just don't chill well when parts of a story don't align. It's the journalist in me perhaps.
 
 

[happyandstable]

   I glossed over the fact that I went to russia for the procedure? I don't remember that at all, It was smart business. I paid under 20k dollars for everything in russia including my stay and ALL my treatment. In america the same procedure cost 90k dollars for operation alone.

    Savings +70K Dollars. Losing your America Girlfriend Priceless.

[happyandstable]

I agree with mendeleyev, he asked about several different aspects of his trip but the OP just ignored him and kept to his mantra Russian Women are Cheats. Well whom where they Cheating with? I’ll give you all a clue AB.

[BC]

BC, this has nothing to do with age. But you already knew that.

Mendy,

Then call it a different viewpoint.  I can well imagine myself popping in here at 28...  you'd be all over me...

Did just find something interesting 'elsewhere' for AB though, maybe others:

[Daveman]

I do wish there were some reliable stats for infidelity percentages/ratios East vs West.  There is definitely a more pervasive promiscuous permissiveness there than here, for whatever reasons, but there sure are a hell of a lot of cheaters here as well.. So, perhaps the numbers are close to the same but the visibility differs.  Or, maybe there really is a difference.


Would be an extremely interesting topic if there were a reliable method to attain accurate stats.

[mies]

I'll keep it short because I'm tired of arguing the same points. To begin, as I've said many times over, I was in the Russia almost a year (241 days in the hospital) I saw so many people come and go and so many people cheat and I'm not saying with me, I'm speaking in general

And yes I came to a foreign country, and people did welcome me with open arms. Infact, I was treated as if I were russian, maybe even better. That doesn't change the fact of what I witnessed. You say that my post is offensive, I don't care. If the the truth is offensive then so be it.

Are you full of yourself so much that think in 241 days you figured it all better than I did in 26 years? Really? If so, I rest my case.

I know that you don't care. It's your general consumerists attitude to people around you. You use them when you need them and throw them away like trash walking around bragging and putting on them degrading labels, as soon as you don't need them anymore. Do you treat all people like this? Or just women? Or just russians?

I am not your little girl, so please keep your machism to those who out of their timid nature or love will tolerate you behavior.

And for the record - nobody ever told me to shut up. This detail already tells a lot about the type of friends you choose to hang out with, and about you - because you think this is normal.

If my words make you irritated, this means you know I am telling the truth. And this is why you are irritated.

[mies]

I though he wrote he found it later 

yes, Olga, i missed your post about alcohol intoxication before I submitted my own funny that we gave very similar comments.
As for girls having "boyfriends" - my ire is about generalization made by our young Prophet. Since I do not know these girls nor their relationship status, I can neither prove nor disprove they indeed had boyfriends. All I have is ABs word. Maybe the girls cheated, maybe they didn't. AB cheated on his american gf according to his confession.

[mies]

& I never said ALL russian girls are cheaters.

good boy 

[acctBill]

I glossed over the fact that I went to russia for the procedure? I don't remember that at all, It was smart business. I paid under 20k dollars for everything in russia including my stay and ALL my treatment. In america the same procedure cost 90k dollars for operation alone.

In a nutshell AB went to Russia because he didn't have adequate health insurance?  Yet another reason to leave America and go to Russia.   

[mies]

    Savings +70K Dollars. Losing your America Girlfriend Priceless.

You have to factor in "tons of fun with russian girls, booz, and partying" 

- girlfriend of 9 years, + sex, saved 70K. See? The picture gets brighter and brighter )))
Then, maybe he was getting tired of the relationship with American girl and was looking for a way out. Then his trip to Russia was pure up side and no cost whatsoever.

[GQBlues]

The OP titled the thread:

I'll give you guys some feedback based on what *I* experienced in russia

He wrote and shared a segment of what he experienced in Russia dealing with social and dating tendencies from a select age range, plus or minus - based on his experience and perspective...

It isn't difficult to ascertain, even if the OP met/dated/bedded 10/100/1000 women every single day for the entire 241 days that he can't possibly be speaking about the ENTIRE population of women to arrive to an accurate conclusion that ALL Russian women are " _____ ".

You folks are making a mountain out of a mole hill.