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Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« on: April 19, 2012, 11:12:32 AM »
Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/
http://www.weblovefinder.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 11:23:53 AM »

Excellent topic...


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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2012, 10:38:12 AM »
Here is another to add to this list of Free or Monthly cost.

http://badoo.com/help/

I haven't used it, but others here said they did to satisfactory results.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2013, 09:01:29 PM »
Another to add to the list.

RussianCupid isn't a pay per letter site.   
This is pay monthly membership. 
You pay, say $30 a month for unlimited letters.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2013, 10:20:21 AM »
Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/
http://www.weblovefinder.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.


Bride.ru was once upon a time a quality site I was a gold member there for several years and met many many women from there. Unfortunately now they have little more than a hand full of new women registering each week, and if you actually take a good look at how they are positioning the women many women who registered even several years back are put to the front of the site. Unfortunately the site has lost track, they never pay their affiliates and over time this has caught up with them and is reflected in their traffic. Well over priced for a dwindling list of women.

Rbrides.com was also not a bad place to catch a few ladies SEVERAL YEARS back, though the site has always been infested with scammers in general if you used your common sense you could pick up some dates there. But as of recent years the site has also declined, the site also has very few women registering at this site as of recent probably just a few dozen a week, if you are a Gold member you only need to check the new members each week to see the poor sign up rate from women. The site also has zero customer service whatsoever. Scammers are never removed they are encouraged. Typical russian managed site. Take the money and run.

Your list of recommended sites is well outdated. I would suggest you sign up to several and do some thorough research before recommending them, in particular the two I have just mentioned.

Though I totally agree with your recommended approach to contacting women on these and other sites.





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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2013, 12:10:45 AM »
It's true - I share with you my experience)
I was looking for about four years and have tried a lot of sites.
Now we already have a little girl)))
I'mjust want to tell you before you coming to Ukraine - it is good to get to know each other in Skype or other video messager)
Wish all of you good luck!

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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2013, 01:52:45 PM »

I would add

http://www.mamba.ru/


There are over 680,000 people online right now.


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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2013, 05:46:08 PM »
great thread

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 08:37:40 AM »
Thanks for the advice.  I got stuck on Tau2, which is a pay per contact address (per email) service that was recommended, and ended up paying over £100 (about $150) for the emails of just several women.  This made me VERY nervous about contacting any of the others, even if they could have been great companions, simply because of the high cost involved.  Now, I am only looking for services that don't require subscribers to pay per message or pay for the contact details of the women.

Secondly, I very strongly advise those who are not already on Skype to go there.  It is the ONLY way you will have an accurate way of knowing what she is like and whether you in fact will like her if you met.  Don't forget that all this traveling is very expensive and you don't want to spend a few thousand bucks only to find that the ravishing beauty of her profile is actually overweight and not very nice in her personality.  That she hasn't much interest in you and only wants you as an escape route from poverty to the west.  In other words, using Skype is a brilliant way of deciding if she is worth a visit, and infinitely better than simply exchanging emails.

If she says she doesn't do Skype, be very careful.  I recently met on Tau2 a woman who said that she preferred to meet people the "natural" way, face to face.  She didn't believe in Skype, she said.  So I went to Cyprus to meet her on this basis.  But she was little like her photos in the flesh, and she expressed hardly any interest in me.  She did ask about the size of my house, which tells you the way she was thinking.  If I'd have insisted she first use Skype, I could have determined this without going there.

Next, don't forget that most of the women on these dating forums are working girls.  This means that they don't have time, often, to spend let's say a week from work to escort you around the place.  In addition, if the place or region she lives in hasn't much in the way of attractions, spending a whole week there is too much.

I would say that spending 2-3 nights in her home town is sufficient to gauge if you two want to meet again for a longer period.  I think most people can tell after this period of time if they are actually attracted to each other enough that the investment of more money is worthwhile.  And if you don't really get on with her, spending 2-3 nights isn't a hassle and she can pass the time with you showing you around whatever they have there without it getting very awkward for both of you, and wishing it would end and you could just fly home.

In addition, a quite common complaint is that the western men simply don't take the step of going over there to meet the women.  This seems to have made some quite cynical and suspicious.  This creates problems for those guys, like me, who are actually prepared to meet them.  To give one example, the woman in Cyprus told me I was the first man from Tau2 to actually meet her in the two years she's been a member on there.

Finally, for those without a Smartphone, I suggest you buy one.  The women I know are all quite familiar with these cellphones and most of the time expect the man to have one.  I've gone for years just with a first generation cellphone that doesn't for example, take Viber and this is something that can cause practical problems.


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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2013, 06:38:48 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I came across an E book that is like the bible to meeting and interacting with FSU women that I think new starters may get some good advice from.

If people are interested I can copy and paste sections at a time just let me know.

I found some interesting information in it and I am happy to share
Admin please let me know if this is ok?

Daz

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2013, 05:36:59 AM »
Hi Everyone,
I came across an E book that is like the bible to meeting and interacting with FSU women that I think new starters may get some good advice from. If people are interested I can copy and paste sections at a time just let me know. I found some interesting information in it and I am happy to share

Admin please let me know if this is ok?
Daz
Daz, I'm not Admin, but it depends on what the E book says about copyright, permission to reproduce parts of it, etc. :-\
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2013, 02:57:13 PM »
Hi Sandro

Yes I thought the same thing thats why I asked first,
I will check it out and see if there are copy rights etc and wait for admin response before I put it on the forum.

Cheers,

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2013, 03:28:49 PM »
Daz--you can put title here-- it may be well known around here!! At a guess!!
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2013, 03:47:05 PM »
No Worries JayH Ill try and find it again lol


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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2014, 11:38:31 AM »
After a request from ML I'm posting one of my previous answers from a couple of weeks ago here.

I wouldn't waste too much time on free sites, there is too much noise, and a lot of writing for less results.

Fdate is somewhat acceptable, but still a lot of writing for less results.

Ukrainedate.com is OK,,, but a lot of fake profiles, fishing for your email address,,
which they will use for baiting you with that nice profile, and some pleasant personal letters....
When you have swallowed the bait and she has got you hooked,, your lady will try reeling you in on a pay per letter site..
A site like UADreams.com, are among those having a lot of baits out on Ukrainedate.com
If you are able to see through the baits,,, there are a lot of legit women there.

Much better is freeukrainianwomen.com
They are weeding out most fake profiles before listing them,,,,
and if someone slips through, they are usually removed within a day or two.
It is in my opinion the best dating site for finding a Ukraine woman on the Internet today.
A lot of serious women,, and you can set up a very good profile with lots of photos,,
(photos are very, very, no, actually extremely important to do right)
And they have online translation with back-translating, using google translate, + many more features..
No other site has given me more results, per hour spent on correspondence.

And I would concentrate all my searching in a relatively small geographical area, over a 3-6 months period of time.

Without a rental car,,, max radius of 200 km / 130 miles around Kiev, Moscow or St. Petersburg
With a rental car,,, max radius of 400 km / 250 miles around Kiev, Moscow or St. Petersburg

That will make it possible for you to have a short meeting with several prospects in a short amount of time.

Doing it this way, with a lot of correspondence and Skype + daily messaging,,
you should easily have a list of 5-10 very good prospects when you go there for a week or so.

You will not regret doing your homework before starting out,,,, I promise... smile

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2014, 10:39:04 PM »
Hi everyone.

I'm familiar with a dating website with a free chat room in Australia called http://www.freedatingaustralia.com.au/chat-rooms

I'm not entirely sure how many Russian ladies use the site but it's a free website.   
Dating in Australia. I'm an Australian guy looking to meet Russian women, I thought this would be a great place to start!

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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2014, 10:17:53 PM »
I'm from New York and there are a few ways to meet the women of your dreams.  I actually lived in Eastern Europe for 10 years teaching English.  Prague, Slovakia, Poland and Ukraine. This is a great way, if you have the time and no commitments back home, because it pays your way and you automatically meet lots of beautiful students who are speaking English. Plus, all the hot Ukrainian teachers who are already working in the school. That's a win-win-win!  Its even better than going out to the bars or clubs trying to find women who can speak English.  The work is done for you.  A school IS COOL.

If you can't spend years living abroad like I did, then next option is a marriage site.  Not a dating site because you cannot date a women over the ocean.  If you goal is to marry then its got to be a MARRIAGE site and you will have to travel there to meet, spend time and hopefully get engaged when you find the right one. But don't rush it guys.  It can still take a few years to find the right girl.

American owned vs Ukraine or Russian operated.  It makes a big difference.  You're gonna get more honest service if you can find a company that is run from here or at least owned by an American.

Don't pay for services that charge for every translation letter.  A good company will do it for a fixed fee or part of the membership.  And those 'chat' dating sites with 100s of hot girls are useless.  Ever notice how the girl is 'always there' to talk...even when its 4am Ukraine time.

I married a Ukraine lady and am a very happy man.  Ukraine women are top notch.  Russia gets messy with visas, travel restrictions and money exchange, but the US and Ukraine are friendly towards each other politically and for travel purposes.  Americans don't even need a visa to travel to Ukraine, but Russia you do.

Here are my two best sites I can recommend that are AMERICAN owned. (I've met both owners- Bret and Stephen):
www.kievconnections.com
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www.bridesmadeinukraine.com

Good luck,
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2014, 12:44:00 AM »
It says you've met both owners.  Don't you mean to say that you are one of the owners (Stephen Pellicano).  It seems rather obvious, and if you are him you might as well say it.

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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2015, 08:05:39 PM »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2015, 05:37:21 PM »
  Russia gets messy with visas, travel restrictions and money exchange, but the US and Ukraine are friendly towards each other politically and for travel purposes.  Americans don't even need a visa to travel to Ukraine, but Russia you do.



Excluding RW - because you need a visa - not difficult to get - is a great reason why so few guys bother and ignore many good women.





 
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2015, 03:59:41 AM »
Excluding RW - because you need a visa - not difficult to get - is a great reason why so few guys bother and ignore many good women.

That's true - sheer laziness.  As I've explained more than once, New Zealanders and Australians still need a visa to travel to Ukraine, and the Russian one is a LOT cheaper and easier to get.  However, in the current political climate, I'm guessing that quite a few potential travellers may be making a positive choice to boycott Russia because of the actions of their government.  A lot, of course, may also not care (and some of the dimmer bulbs may not even know what's happening in eastern Ukraine).

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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2015, 08:11:18 AM »
I have never been a fan of Putin, but not going there because of his policies is like not going to USA - if you don't like Obama.  ;)
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2015, 12:33:04 PM »
Excluding RW - because you need a visa - not difficult to get - is a great reason why so few guys bother and ignore many good women.

If you are a visit one type of guy, my suggestion is to keep your net wide open and
go where ever you find the girl. If you find her in Dumpsk Krapistahn then go to Dumpsk
and learn a few words of Krapis  :D

If you are a visit many type of guy, I would pick a city with enough girls in it, check
Mamba and make sure there are a couple hundred to write to and go. I would probably
avoid Odessa and Nikolaev just to stay away from the industry girls. If you have contacts
or know people in those cities then I recant my previous advice. Local contacts are 100
times more valuable.

Just for sheer numbers there are lots more Russians.
The population of Russia is approximately 142,400,000
The population of Ukraine* is approximately 44,646,000

Over half of both numbers are women. You can put most other FSU countries in the
mix like Belarus, Moldova, etc. I recommend avoiding Georgia for 99.9% of the men
here.


*It depends on where you draw the line these days
« Last Edit: April 03, 2015, 12:43:13 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2015, 12:57:57 PM »
I have never been a fan of Putin, but not going there because of his policies is like not going to USA - if you don't like Obama.  ;)

The difference is that, as far as I know, the USA has not recently invaded Canada or Mexico under the pretext of "protecting the rights of ethnic US English speakers."  Nor is the USA sanctioned by any other country (except maybe North Korea).  Also, what if Putin goes absolutely over-the-top nuts and shuts the borders while you're there?  Highly unlikely, I grant you, but so were some of the other political actions in the last 150 years.

I love Russia, moby, but I won't be going back until Putin has gone.

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The difference is that, as far as I know, the USA has not recently invaded Canada or Mexico under the pretext of "protecting the rights of ethnic US English speakers."  Nor is the USA sanctioned by any other country (except maybe North Korea).  Also, what if Putin goes absolutely over-the-top nuts and shuts the borders while you're there?  Highly unlikely, I grant you, but so were some of the other political actions in the last 150 years.

I love Russia, moby, but I won't be going back until Putin has gone.

Hi AK,

All understood.. perhaps my analogy was terrible - but the woman I desire lives in Russia and despite the worries of family / friends - in light of my views - I want to be able go there for our pleasure - not any any way supporting the nation's foreign policy.

Please excuse the Curmudgeon in my posts ..he will be cured by being reunited with his loved one ;)

 

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