Why would russian women want an average american man?

[cockman]

There are too many contradictions in the foreign bride industry. could anyone sort this out and debate me?


1. If its true that russian women want "american men," why is it that i cant just get off a plane on russian territory and hand pick any random russian woman right on the airport and marry her in a few hours?

2. If it's true that russian women don't want russian men, why is it that i cant get off a plane on russian land and select any random russian woman to marry?

3. If it's true that russian women don't want russian men, why is it that the foreign bride industry only consists of less than 1% of the female russian population? what makes this tiny percentage of women so special?





I wish I had 2k laying around and 2 weeks off to fully investigate this on a trip to russia.

[Daveman]

There are too many contradictions in the foreign bride industry. could anyone sort this out and debate me?


1. If its true that russian women want "american men," why is it that i cant just get off a plane on russian territory and hand pick any random russian woman right on the airport and marry her in a few hours?

2. If it's true that russian women don't want russian men, why is it that i cant get off a plane on russian land and select any random russian woman to marry?

3. If it's true that russian women don't want russian men, why is it that the foreign bride industry only consists of less than 1% of the female russian population? what makes this tiny percentage of women so special?





I wish I had 2k laying around and 2 weeks off to fully investigate this on a trip to russia.

It would appear you didn't investigate this this forum much prior to your decision to participate.


If you are serious, then you are attempting to debate the choir.

[Patagonie]

I think the first think you need is more cooking.  If i were you i would spend my time  to extensively read  this forum. You also need to let this precious 2 k at bank, because i have a lot of doubt that with 2 k you even success to have enough to buy something at grocery. I would advice to bring some expansive belongings to allow you to resell it just to avoid starvation, in case of you schedule a 2 weeks travel in Russia, especially in Moscow, and especially from USA. 

[cockman]

Thanks for the swift replies, guys.

Any pointers on where to search on the forum?
Basically my main concern is why I need an agency.
These agencies claim that Russian women are starved for an American.
If that's true, why can't I just find my own women and marry them? Why is the agency necessary if these women are so "starved."

The reason I came to this forum is because it's agency free. Nobody here is demanding money from you or trying to sell you something.

[Muzh]

First advice is not to believe the bullshite the agencies will feed you.
 
Second advice, pursue a RW the same way you would an American woman. IOW, be a gentleman, don't take them for granted, be respectful, etc., etc.
 
Read and ask questions. There are some ladies here that may help you IF you are nice and respectful to them.
 
Good luck.

[GQBlues]

...
The reason I came to this forum is because it's agency free. Nobody here is demanding money from you or trying to sell you something.

LOL, give it a few minutes....he'll come rushing out and give you a used car salesman pitch soon enough. He's probably still asleep.

[Muzh]

LOL, give it a few minutes....he'll come rushing out and give you a used car salesman pitch soon enough. He's probably still asleep.

LMFAO
 
Good one!

[mendeleyev]

American's aren't especially popular right now in Russia. There are usually two sources who say differently:

1- Agencies trying to sell you a dream.

2- Misinformed Americans who naively think that Russians want to come to the USA for a visa/passport.

It is nice that you have 2K for spending money for a couple weeks but remember that you'll need a place to stay and hotels or apartments aren't cheap. Also, you'll need a plane ticket and that will be another 1k.

Think 4k for 2 weeks if you are on a first time visit. Add another 1k for emergencies.

[newjason]

Hi Cman.
Glad you are here.

So where did you get these notions that you can just get off a plane , pick some girl at random, and marry  her in a few hours?
Or that an agency will better your chances of anything like that?

First of all it's 2012
Slavery has been abolished a long time ago.
You can not buy people.
If you have a lot of money, you can find a lot of people who will tell you what you want to hear though.

If you don't have a lot of money, then you better have something else to offer when trying to meet a Russian woman.

Quick wit, Intelligence,  a good sense of humour,  a stable life and mind. 
Oh and it helps if you look like a GQ model too.

You should probably have an education and a good working knowledge about almost everything, or a least a lot of things.

You should be the most interesting man in the world.
Or you should be that guy who plays him on tv.

So you wanna know what it is really like there ?

Read it from a guy who is there right now , and ask him questions.  You may find some thing you did not expect.

his name is
rivardco
an ice cube's chance in hell...
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14515.0


that's a good place to start.

Report back your progress, please 

best of luck

Jason

[Shadow]

What you suggest to do is what many men have done, with changing results.
They pick a list of potential candidates, go on a plane, spend a couple of hours with each and pick their favourite.

Then the real work begins of convincing her to follow a stranger to a different country, try to form a relationship and bring her in to their culture.

Its very simplified, as in reality it takes investment of a lot of time, money and effort. If you can not afford one of the three, forget about it.

You can do everything without an agency, and enough guys have proven this. But it depends on what you can invest. If you have more time and effort as money, skip the agencies. If you have enough money, little time and wish to minimize the effort, let someone do part of the work for you.

If you are lucky it will cost you some months of your life and a few thousands in cash. If you are unlucky it can cost you half of your posessions.

And if you are really unlucky you will be stuck with her the rest of your life. (hides under desk)

[vwrw]

Cock, you are genius! The answers to your q-ns will reveal the international bride conspiracy and debunk all related controversies.


The fact that you or any other average American man cannot pick any single FSU women right in the airport for marriage  and be sure that she is happy to became your wife definitely proves FSUW do not like AM.


Moreover, nobody wants AM. All the American women who are saying they prefer men for marriage lie too. Did you ever try to hand pick any of them randomly  right on a street and marry her in a few hours? 99% of likelihood that  the behavior of the lucky one won't be consistent with her assertion that she wants to marry a man.

[Chicagoguy]

There are very few desperate Russian women now - at least financialy. This isn't the early 90's. For instance, my stepdaugher has what I would call an average job and so for this year has been to Czech Republic, Arizona and California and Italy twice.
But the one thing they are not happy with is the Russian men.

[Anotherkiwi]

There are very few desperate Russian women now - at least financialy. This isn't the early 90's. For instance, my stepdaugher has what I would call an average job and so for this year has been to Czech Republic, Arizona and California and Italy twice...

I thought that the USA only had two weeks' annual holiday?  Or did she only go for two days at a time? 

[Gator]

How can anybody be serious with a man who calls himself  Cockman?

[CanadaMan]

How can anybody be serious with a man who calls himself  Cockman?

Yes that can be difficult to overlook.

Then again, one of Canada's most successful singer/songwriter/guitarist 's name is Bruce Cockburn.   

[newjason]

How can anybody be serious with a man who calls himself  Cockman?

this just keeps getting better and better 

[Vinnvinny]

Whilst you may poke fun at cock it has been talked about for sometime in Ukraine about having a ‘pick a bride’ area at most of the international airports.


The idea is that on international flights passengers would have the choice of which bus at catch once they leave the plane. Bus A would be for passport control/customs and bus B for the Bride Booths.


Those selecting bus B would be taken to a special reception area full of willing brides who will be seated in interview booths, and on hand will be representatives from the local RAGS office who will tie knots as and when required.


All the above must be concluded within 30 minutes whilst the plane is being cleaned and those men who have been successful will be escorted back on board with their new spouse and the Ukrainian government will supply a complimentary bottle of absinth for the journey home.


The price is rumoured to be around $250, which is a bargain considering there will be no taxi/hotel expenses incurred.


What I really like about this whole process is that there will be a 3 month ‘no quibble’ return policy with a 25% discount on future purchases.

[Lily]

this just keeps getting better and better 

My Canadian friend just advised me that this singer's surname originally did not have the last four letters 

[capricorn rising]

You seem very cocksure

[Daveman]

How can anybody be serious with a man who calls himself  Cockman?

When I first joined I was going to use my stage name, "Cockzilla"... but decided not to chance scaring the daylights out of any Asians among us...


He's using the transliterated version for the first letter, so the pronunciation is actually "sockman"...

[tfcrew]

    Why would russian women want an average american man?
I've never seen a lady from anywhere post anywhere that she is looking for an 'average' anybody from anywhere.
Link such an ad...I would like to see it.

[Eduard]

When I first joined I was going to use my stage name, "Cockzilla"... but decided not to chance scaring the daylights out of any Asians among us...


He's using the transliterated version for the first letter, so the pronunciation is actually "sockman"...

this one takes the first prize!
Vinn, cute but not as funny as many of your other posts. Haven't seen you post in a while... hope all is well with you and the family!
Gator - that's what I thought too. 


Sadly the OP's views on RW and this venture are pretty common among AM Russian bride seekers.

[IAmZon]

How can anybody be serious with a man who calls himself  Cockman?

Damnit Gator - you made me LOL ... and I spit up my morning coffee.

[IAmZon]

Despite the OP's name, this is a good question and could use a full and sober answer.  Here is my thinking for what it is worth: The problem - and it is a BIG one; and will not go away if you transplant a woman from a 2nd or 3rd world county into a 1st world country - is that of perspectives and community value /standards.

Start out with this fact:  The value of being a man in first world countries (USA, UK, Norway, etc..) is lower - FAR LOWER - than the value of being a man in Colombia, Ukraine, Slovakia, Romania, etc...

Add this fact: Most women in first world countries, those with the maximum amount of choice, do not NEED or WANT a man in the same way as women from first world countries did 50 years ago, and the way women from second and third world countries do today.  Any woman can earn a living (resources)  Any woman can call 911 (security).  That sort of pulls the rug out of the value proposition of "being a man".

So, when you say "Average Man," you are already buying into the image of the 1st world value of being a man.   

Take for example the men in Colombia, or here in Ukraine.   Most men in these countries are ugly as $hit, to be honest.   Another example is manners.   The men in Colombia, 99% of the time, are cheaters and few have the potential to be successful in this life.  It is not uncommon to see a man hit a girl.  (I even saw a man slap his girlfriend in Bratislava, and nobody said a thing)  I do not know enough about Ukrainian men, but it does not appear that they put women on a pedestal either.

What is an "Above Average / Good Man" to THESE women? 

But that only identifies the real problem!  NOW THEN, to take one Perspective/Community Standard - Colombia / Ukraine - and mix it with a different Perspective/ Community Standard - USA - THAT is where the trouble starts, perhaps irreconcilably so in most cases.

So, IF YOU ARE A MAN that is going to travel, meet and marry a woman with less than 90 days real face time with her; and then, ship her to the USA - and IF YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A LOW RISK WORLD -  you probably want to stay close to the perspective and community standards of the USA.  You probably should find a woman 3 - 5 years younger / older, and in your own league, more or less (THIS IS LESS AN ISSUE WITH WOMEN OVER 35 IMO). Which means that most men should not marry a beauty queen.  But, it is possible to find a good, attractive women, with strong traditional values - and there is MUCH to be said for that!  Or, there is Match.com LOL

===  When I first moved to Colombia, I met an American who had been travelling there for 11 years.  He was married to THREE Colombianas in 10 years (one ended up being a model for Playboy).  This man is 2 years older than myself, so we are talking about a "normal" guy who is in his 40's with only an  above average / mediocre American job, dating and marrying Playboy models.  Those relationships were real.  The women have loved him, and he respected and cared for them too.  (These were not scam marriages for the purpose of green card.)    The marital problems did not begin until the women moved to the USA; and even then, the problems took years to grow.  BUT THEY GREW.   Nowadays, he prefers to live in Colombia, and visit the USA. ===

[Turboguy]

Why would russian women want an average american man?
 
The answer to that is obvious and no one has touched up it.  Russian women want an average american man becuase the 18-21, year old drop dead georgeous chicks with a hot body have already taken all the old, fat, loser guys leaving nothing but average guys.
 
Of course the above average guys have no interest in RW because they have enough going for them that they can still attract a somewhat attractive, only slightly overweight AW who will reward his waiting on her hand and foot with some occasional attention.