Bizzare, Weird and Scary 1st Meeting

[Handycam72]

Hi all, I not posted in a while but thought I would share a 1st meeting I had with an FSUW that was like something out the Twilight Zone.

Abit of a back story, I got chatting to an FSUW on a social networking site which quickly moved onto skype everyday for about 6 weeks. We talked about many subjects about ourselves, how she finds she trusts people to easily, she is honest and open and expects the same from others. She was attractive, funny and there appeared to be good chemistry. She is 33, no kids. She did want to me to change my Relationship Status to "Married to her", I thought now thats interesting, maybe it's a test or she is just crazy, so I did, but only she could see it. Why would I advertise myself to being married to someone I had never met. Interestingly though she changed her FaceBook back to single just before I arrived, but kept her VK on married. So all is good and I decide to make the quick flight over to Ukraine to meet her. I told friends in Ukraine I was coming over and what was happening, some were just as intrigued as I was, 1 said don't meet her. We spent 6 days together, I was there for 3 weeks so you can guess how this turns out and I'm back here now

First day was good, we walked, talked, held hands, lots of hugs and small kisses (on lips). We went for a meal where she said to me "If I like a man I will not let him pay, if I am not interested in him he will pay for everything" Ok I thought, another interesting point made, I will keep a watch on that one. After more walking she eventually goes home with a goodbye kiss.

Day 2 was much the same, hold hands, talk, normal dating. Says to me "I will wait you, there are many beautiful girls here in Ukraine you not here just for me, you should meet other girls" I was thinking ok, she might be losing interest. I may have to cut my losses and move on.

Now Day 3 we are out and out the blue we go to her place where I meet her mother. I had about 5 minute warning, so no gifts or anything for mum. I had just had lunch and now faced the great FSU hospitality, so trying to get more food and drink in an already full stomach was a challenge in itself. I am thinking to myself this is going really well. I think I am onto a winner here. We are getting along great, all is good. Mother even likes me. On this day she was asking about past relationships, and was starting to become very interested in my past relationship with someone in Ukraine. I thought nothing of it, its just normal.

Day 4, the past relationships comes up more and now asking about how many admirers I have, who are they, what is my relationship with them. She begins to show a darker side to her character...jealousy, not normal healthy jealousy but bunny boiler type of jealousy. I get read the riot act because as we got out the bus I did not hold her hand as she came out, well I did explain I almost fell out the bus as I tripped up. It appears she wants the the full old fashioned red carpet treatment all of the time. I think now the facade is now starting to drop and her true character is beginning to reveal itself. she goes back home that evening as with every evening and I meet up with a couple of local friends of mine here in Ukraine. We do the usual catch up and the subject turns to the woman I am meeting. We come to a cautious conclusion that she is testing how serious I am.

Well here comes Day 5. Now she starts getting wierd, starts talking about how people come into her life so she can change them and the contradictions start happening. Talks how she trusts very few people, she has no true close friends, only her family. I should be only with her. I should pay for everything (the only thing she paid for were the busses, resisted any attempt from me to pay) I paid everything else, meals, taxi (although used very few) etc. Asks if I will come with her to see Doctor, I ask if she is ill, she just scowls at me and says "To have your blood tested" Some of what she talks about is said with venom and anger. Yikes.

Here comes the strangest day. We are out enjoying the day, then out the blue she asks for the phone number of the woman from my past relationship in Ukraine, someone who is still a good friend of mine and feel she is like a sister and know for a good few years. After the initial shock of the question, it is not something I have ever been asked for by anyone in my life, I ask her "why you want it?" which was like a red rag to a bull, "so I can talk to her" I told her I will ask my friend if it is ok for me to give the phone number to you. Now she gets angry, which made me think this woman is not all there and has issues. I try to explain I do not give out friends numbers to people they do not know without asking them first, unless I know the person very very very well. This was met with a logic I could not understand. If I had nothing to hide I would give her the number and if by giving her the phone number and she called my friend and this friend would be upset with me for this, then so be it, "it is not my loss if you no longer friends with her" mmmmmmmmmmmm so I should lose a good friend of many years for someone I only just met and barely know.............bizzare. Now I think should I just get in a taxi and go or should I go eat and see what else is going on in this girls head. I go for the latter. I am glad I did.
 
What happened while eating was even more bizzare. She ordered everything, including a beer for me (normally she accused me of being an alcoholic if I had just one beer) then proceeds to go on a rant about how she is very very smart, and only allows very smart people in her life, how her best friend and her know already what the other is thinking without even talking. I am very very clever and smart (she kept repeating this). Then talked about ex boyfriend, how he lie and was stupid, she not like stupid people, she has only good people in her life. She can see in peoples minds what they are thinking and again she is very smart, she has power to change people. Then says I have had many friends and lost many many friends, because I am smart and they are stupid. I not like people with mask who smile but inside are bad. This venomous rant went on for about 20 minutes, generally repeating herself about how smart she is, how she could change people and see inside there mind.  What struck me about all this was not so much what was being said but the look in her eyes, this was being said with a real venom, a deep anger and venom in the eyes, and I thought to myself you talk mask, I think your mask has just fallen off while having an image in my head of a sweet little bunny being boiled in water.

So as you can imagine, I did not see her again after that. My friends thought it was funny aswell as shocking, made the joke "you see we have mad crazy people here too". If that what she is like after just 6 days (about 40 hours face to face time) of being together, I'd hate to think what she would be like to live with and be married to.

The rest of my visit was excellent as always

Just thought I would share that with you all

[The Natural]

Thanks for sharing. Indeed a scary girl but good for you she couldn't keep the mask on for more than a couple of days.

[ECOCKS]

I'd lift my screens and filters a bit. I cannot recall running into that type during the dating phase. the ones I left behind, or left me behind, were far more subtle in the nuances they presented or their interpretation of my intention to remain there indefinitely.

Still, it gave you a great "Ukraine story"!

[Patagonie]

Nothing replaces a true meeting as your story shows us. Some think that Skype is a like a true relation. Your story shows that some surprises can happen. I have had a story like this in november last year, after few days i begin to detect some weirds things. She also ask me to go to the lab ! You kept the cold head  . I have no regret to have drop her.

[Chicagoguy]

Blood test ?   That's a first.

[Gator]

Too bad that your trip was so crazy.  Now you understand why some FSUW look to marry a foreign man - the local men avoid them.
 
Communicating via Skype everyday for 6 weeks is a very large amount of exposure.  No concerns arose during Skype?  Not having close friends is a bad sign.

[Misha]

She did want to me to change my Relationship Status to "Married to her", I thought now thats interesting, maybe it's a test or she is just crazy, so I did, but only she could see it. Why would I advertise myself to being married to someone I had never met. Interestingly though she changed her FaceBook back to single just before I arrived, but kept her VK on married.

I would have said that this was a pretty indicator that something was really wrong with her even before meeting her. Rational adults would simply not do this...

[Handycam72]

Thanks for sharing. Indeed a scary girl but good for you she couldn't keep the mask on for more than a couple of days.

Yeah it definetely was a good job the mask dropped early 
 

I'd lift my screens and filters a bit. I cannot recall running into that type during the dating phase. the ones I left behind, or left me behind, were far more subtle in the nuances they presented or their interpretation of my intention to remain there indefinitely.

Still, it gave you a great "Ukraine story"!

Niether can I, it was all abit of a shock.
 

Nothing replaces a true meeting as your story shows us. Some think that Skype is a like a true relation. Your story shows that some surprises can happen. I have had a story like this in november last year, after few days i begin to detect some weirds things. She also ask me to go to the lab ! You kept the cold head  . I have no regret to have drop her.

Absolutely agree, so if there are any newbies out there, nothing beats a real face to face meeting.
 

Blood test ?   That's a first.

It was a first for me too.
 

Too bad that your trip was so crazy.  Now you understand why some FSUW look to marry a foreign man - the local men avoid them.
 
Communicating via Skype everyday for 6 weeks is a very large amount of exposure.  No concerns arose during Skype?  Not having close friends is a bad sign.

Yep be sure that they are dating local aswell as looking abroad.
That is the weird thing about it, there was nothing untoward during our skype chats that suggested any of this. Before going to see her I was of the understanding she had many close friends it was only when the mask dropped that the truth came out her and her character.
 
I just recalled another strange incident that happened that last day, or should I say something she told me. It was about how she manipulated a situation, I can't recall how, regarding some "friends" because she believed they were not honest with her. I did not ackowledge what she said but just thought to myself "your manipulative aswell.........nice".
Oh yes I was also imformed by her on that last day that if a UW/RW splits with you or turns you down, it is your job as a "real man" (as RM/UM do) to go after her again and again until she says yes.........I always thought the old way of persisting and beating the person into submission was the way to go for a good relationship...................bizzare.
 
It was definetly an interesting experience that I had. My friends think it very amusing both in Ukraine and UK. Would be interesting to hear from the FSUW of the site, what they think of this bizzare behaviour.
 
 
 
 

[Handycam72]

I would have said that this was a pretty indicator that something was really wrong with her even before meeting her. Rational adults would simply not do this...

Yep I agree, if she lived in a place where I knew nobody and never been I would of said goodbye there and then. But it was a case of what the hell. There were no other indicators, and if it went pear shaped I still had plenty of back up plans

[Belvis]

We talked about many subjects about ourselves, how she finds she trusts people to easily, she is honest and open and expects the same from others.

I would become alerted if a person advertised herself as honest and open.  My opinion is out of the mainstream, I believe that extensive skyping and e-mailing are able to highlight а person's nature if conduct it in the right way. Though the language barrier stands so damn in the way.

[steveh1155]

Too bad some women are very very damaged, mental issues and other - I always feel sorry for them.

[Gator]

Too bad some women are very very damaged, mental issues and other - I always feel sorry for them.

Do not feel sorry.  Feel happy that they are not messing up your life.   
 

[Daveman]

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Oh yes I was also imformed by her on that last day that if a UW/RW splits with you or turns you down, it is your job as a "real man" (as RM/UM do) to go after her again and again until she says yes.........I always thought the old way of persisting and beating the person into submission was the way to go for a good relationship...................bizzare.
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Yep, that's our job. That view is shared by quite a few (who are not necessarily from another dimension).  It comes across in a strange way when it is verbalized, but the mentality is there -- absolutely zero question about that.  IMO, there are many guys who fail to win the heart of the woman of their dreams simply because they give up before the game is truly over.




Excellent narrative.  Thanks for sharing...

[Vaughn]

Blood test ?   That's a first.

Maybe not. I was in touch with a Midwestern school administrator in 2002 who was writing to one of my wife's fellow teachers. She insisted he submit to a full physical exam, to which he reluctantly agreed. When I got wind of this from him, Elvira had to recalculate her opinion of the coworker. Then she was bombarded with e-mails and phone calls asking if his stated salary would be sufficient for a life of comfort. With some women, it's never about feelings, love or sense of purpose - but guarantees.   

[mies]

Hi all, I not posted in a while but thought I would share a 1st meeting I had with an FSUW that was like something out the Twilight Zone.

This is a really funny story )) you should have asked her to change our Ukrainian President - he desperately needs to be changed. As being smart as your acquaintance is, and having the power to read people's mind and change them - in 33, the JC's age, it's about the time for her to start bringing some use for Ukrainian society. 

on a more serious note - I think it isn't very uncommon tactics. Many girls/women in Ukraine use the same communication style. What you saw as "venom" in her eyes - is just the regular normal style for many energetic and strong-willed people, after all as you know the russian/ukrainian rule is "by smiling you are keeping your teeth unprotected."
Witchcraft, reading "signs", mind-reading and other shit stuff like that is very popular in Ukrainian culture. (Almost) every village has at least one official "go-to" witch, and few more part-time ones. You can get any sort of service from "reading the future" to "protection from bad eye" to "solving the problem with neighbor."
Just look at the videos of Valeria Amatuye - a meme du jour in Ukraine. Delightfully dumb self-proclaimed goddess talking about her spiritual travels, crippling the poor Russian language in every sentence. Oh well. 


About her: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0


And then, maybe your acquaintance can indeed read mind. After all - it's mostly being very perceptive and skilled in reading non-verbal signs. Too bad she can't see in her own future and use her skills for her own benefit.

[ECOCKS]

Maybe not. I was in touch with a Midwestern school administrator in 2002 who was writing to one of my wife's fellow teachers. She insisted he submit to a full physical exam, to which he reluctantly agreed. When I got wind of this from him, Elvira had to recalculate her opinion of the coworker. Then she was bombarded with e-mails and phone calls asking if his stated salary would be sufficient for a life of comfort. With some women, it's never about feelings, love or sense of purpose - but guarantees.

+2

Reality check on aisle 5.....

[SteveOR]

Too bad some women are very very damaged, mental issues and other - I always feel sorry for them.

Agreed and a first response is to try to help.  Unfortunately the correct response is always the same:
 
RUN!
 
 

[ECOCKS]

The blood test thing cuts both ways though.

American Medical Response in Kyiv offers a Medical Screening test which tests for STD's and the like. They seem to get some a demand for the service from men insisting their dates be tested just before they arrive.

[Eduard]

I would become alerted if a person advertised herself as honest and open.  My opinion is out of the mainstream, I believe that extensive skyping and e-mailing are able to highlight а person's nature if conduct it in the right way. Though the language barrier stands so damn in the way.

This is exactly correct! Eliminate the language barrier and you can eliminate 90% of women like her BEFORE you waste time and money going to meet them. When you let women like her speak in their native language it becomes painfully obvious to a Russian speaker in just a matter of a few minutes that they have issues.

[ECOCKS]

This is exactly correct! Eliminate the language barrier and you can eliminate 90% of women like her BEFORE you waste time and money going to meet them. When you let women like her speak in their native language it becomes painfully obvious to a Russian speaker in just a matter of a few minutes that they have issues.

This is clear to most who have their heads on straight.

I can't imagine "falling in love" with someone who cannot communicate. Failing that, using a translator who works FOR YOU rather than the agency or the girl seems like such a basic anti-scam tactic that it continually amazes me when guys keep turning up and saying that they shelled out for this.

I also cannot imagine the guys who fall for these gals who can't see that they need to get them into English classes ASAP over there. It shows her commitment and a measure of her seriousness in this process. Waiting until they get here is not a smart move.

[Vinnvinny]

In the not too distant past (yesterday to be precise) I went on a 2nd date with a lady who breast fed her toddler during our meeting. That certainly was a 1st for me. 


I soooo wanted to say 'is it my turn next?' but I resisted. 

[Eduard]

In the not too distant past (yesterday to be precise) I went on a 2nd date with a lady who breast fed her toddler during our meeting. That certainly was a 1st for me. 


I soooo wanted to say 'is it my turn next?' but I resisted. 

Why???????????   

[Vinnvinny]

Why???????????   

.... because she may have said yes Ed. 

[Eduard]

.... because she may have said yes Ed. 

Oh yes, you have mention something abut being lactose intolerant in the passed, haven't you? 

[Vinnvinny]

Oh yes, you have mention something abut being lactose intolerant in the passed, haven't you? 

I don't know about that but I think I may have mentioned something about being lactose intolerant in the past though.