Trip to Kharkov

[CDW]

 Why is it always the men's fault?

[Ranetka]

Why is it always the men's fault?

It's nobody's fault. He paid Mila for introduction services which she provided, as far as I understand the girl's commitment was not a part of the deal.

[Daveman]

It's nobody's fault. He paid Mila for introduction services which she provided, as far as I understand the girl's commitment was not a part of the deal.

Absolutely correct.  AND Bruttus was aware of the competition for this lady ahead of time - that there was another guy in the picture - and he chose to compete.  It happens.


At this point I am very curious as to why Bruttus seems convinced that there is more to it...

[Eduard]

And if you go in late summer you can believe that many of the upwardly mobile single women are going to be on vacation.  The last two weeks of August, especially.  It is easier to establish a relationship with a woman in the fall or in the spring.   The summer months are always dotted with family events and obligations that will interfere with your efforts to cement a relationship.

A very good observation, Jon. I also noticed that FSU women respond much better in springtime (starting end of February) and then again in the fall. December-January are the toughest months to get many responces and summer is also a bit slow usually since many women I focusing on vacation and spending time with local friends/family. The best time to start your search and line up some women would be in spring, then go visit them in the summer months. Or if you don't mind frosty weather you can line up a few good prospects during the fall months and visit them for New Year's holidays which last 10 days in Russia.

[bruttus]

How old are the three ladies you met?  at that time 31y, 27y and 21y, the girl from 24y, i have never seen, so i received the girl from 21y old instead, not that i complain about
if I'm not wrong in mine profiledescription, i asked Mila to meet at least girls from around mine age, no more girls that where just 20y old
How old are you?31y

-Why were there only three? i chose only 3, because i have the impression, if i chose more lady's, that i would been seen as a sort of sextourist, and with the thought, i start with these 3 when I'm there, and if none was intrested in me, i thought that i would look further with mila to someone else
-Why not have 'friendly meetings' with more?financially, after being scammed by yeva4u, it was mine last money that i used
-How much money did you spend on this girl and for what?  don't know how much, but it where 2 day's of going out to restaurants, 1 day that i have Cook, 1 evening for bowling, 1 complete day at a indoor swimming pool, and 1 complete day at a spring and the last day, before i left at a traditional Ukrainian restaurant
and the only gifts that i bought for here where 7 red roses, that was on the last day
-Why did you decide to spend all your time with this one lady? because according to mila, she wanted to meet me everytime, and because i was starting to like her. and i also asked to mila allot if she was really series to knowing me



for the rest, yes, i did payed for friendly meetings, but when i was there in Kharkov, i did more research, and i stumbled to that young girls fbprofile
so for the rest of the trip, i knew about that other guy, but i embraced the fact that while i was meeting several girls to find at least genuine girl that fits me, so i find it justified that she meet several foreign men
the only thing what i expected when i came home, was at least a honnest chance to impres her further
 the only thing that i wants to ad, is that when a girl really likes a guy, even if he's from a other country, that she try's to ask how he is or things like that
what this girl never did, she only replete on that guy's letters on fb, and i was just ignored for that time being
after 2 weeks seeing that, i had enough and did a complain, whereafter that it was me to blame, that it was mine fold
there is being told to me at that day at skype, that she would give her answer, if she wanted to continue this relation, after she came back after visiting her family in Russia
i waited a month, until a friend of mine warned me to see her profile

[GoodOlBoy]

......i was being scammed by those bitches, i have problems to trust people

Well, I say that using this type of language to describe any woman in public, speaks volumes as to what kind of "man" the OP really is.
 
Maybe he addresses his Mother this way also?
 
GOB

[jone]

Regarding your nomenclature for descriptions of the women who defrauded you, you have watched Vin Diesel in XXX  too many times.  I happen to agree with GOB.  If you treat all women as virtuous princesses, every once in awhile, you will find that they are.

But in reading the posts, I really feel sorry for you, Brutus.  You obviously have not had great luck with women.  And there is a sense of urgency in your posts.  I really am sorry that you had a woman leave you and take everything from your apartment.  Your consolation should be that she did not cost you more than what was in those rooms.  But dating a woman in a foreign country is an expensive proposition.  Especially if you do not speak her language. 

I also tend to believe that you received exactly what you paid for with Mila.  She introduced you to women that fit your profile.    Your expectations were somewhat overboard for a first meeting.  And you have not displayed the true patience that is required in dealing with most of these women.  It is like gambling at a blackjack table.  You have $100.00 and the minimum bet for each hand is $25.00.  You many get lucky on four tries, but chances are you are going to run out of money before that happens.

I have three recommendations for you, take them for what they are worth.  I will not be offended if you tell me that I am not in my right mind.  But this is (probably) the greatest decision you are going to make in your life, don't screw it up.  Instead go in totally prepared.  After all you have already paid the entrance fee:

1.  Go into any relationship to establish friendship.  If you seek a best friend you will be very surprised how many women will respond.  Even if you don't ever find the chemistry to make your relationship work, you will get a great education into how a woman thinks.

2.  Get yourself to a better financial position.  You are 31 years old.  That is young.  If you spend a year simply building up relationships with some women, not having expectations, you can step back and really evaluate what you want in a wife.  (I would focus on kindness and graciousness, they are much more valuable than beauty and sex appeal.)  At the same time, save your money, and put away a nest egg.  No woman, in her right mind, wants to accept the challenge of moving to another country without the assurance that you can (at least) initially provide for her.

3.  And the last recommendation, and many will think that I am overboard, but learn as much of the Russian language as you can.  I would recommend that you start with Biki Express and know well over two hundred vocabulary words and fifty verbs.  You can get this free online.  I would also look at MasterRussian.com and learn the cyrillic alphabet.  (It will also teach you how to read store signs and road signs.) If you are really sincere about pursuing a Ukranian bride, why should she make all of the sacrifices to learn your language if you are not willing to do the same for her?

Even with the advantages listed above, you are not promised success with an intended mate.  But if I were a woman (and I have talked to many) they are the things that would make me much more comfortable.

Good luck!

Jon

And remember what Ben Franklin said:  "Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn at no other."   It is time to graduate!

[Eduard]

good advice!

[Muzh]

In any event, this points out the pitfalls of restricting your pool too early in the game, and not keeping your options open long enough.  It is never a done deal until a proposal is made and accepted.  And even then, it may not be a lasting deal.

And that's exactly what this girl did.


Bruttus,


People sometimes break up after months of dating, even after an engagement. It is painful but that's life. You two were not in committed relationship, you can not complain about her seeing someone else.


I would also say date on your own without an agency next time; this way there will be only yourself to blame.


Follow ML's advice and understand women can do the same.

I was waiting for someone to respond to that before I would interject and I was not disappointed. Ranetka, right on the money.


It is a bitch when the roles are inverted, isn't it?


Bruttus, Faux Pas offered you the best advice so far. Take some time to let this blow over and start again.


Keep in mind that this girls are NOT sitting in their flats waiting for you. They are basically doing the same thing you are doing; testing the merchandise.

[Muzh]

How old are the three ladies you met?  at that time 31y, 27y and 21y, the girl from 24y, i have never seen, so i received the girl from 21y old instead, not that i complain about
if I'm not wrong in mine profiledescription, i asked Mila to meet at least girls from around mine age, no more girls that where just 20y old
How old are you?31y

-Why were there only three? i chose only 3, because i have the impression, if i chose more lady's, that i would been seen as a sort of sextourist, and with the thought, i start with these 3 when I'm there, and if none was intrested in me, i thought that i would look further with mila to someone else
-Why not have 'friendly meetings' with more?financially, after being scammed by yeva4u, it was mine last money that i used
-How much money did you spend on this girl and for what?  don't know how much, but it where 2 day's of going out to restaurants, 1 day that i have Cook, 1 evening for bowling, 1 complete day at a indoor swimming pool, and 1 complete day at a spring and the last day, before i left at a traditional Ukrainian restaurant
and the only gifts that i bought for here where 7 red roses, that was on the last day
-Why did you decide to spend all your time with this one lady? because according to mila, she wanted to meet me everytime, and because i was starting to like her. and i also asked to mila allot if she was really series to knowing me



for the rest, yes, i did payed for friendly meetings, but when i was there in Kharkov, i did more research, and i stumbled to that young girls fbprofile
so for the rest of the trip, i knew about that other guy, but i embraced the fact that while i was meeting several girls to find at least genuine girl that fits me, so i find it justified that she meet several foreign men
the only thing what i expected when i came home, was at least a honnest chance to impres her further
 the only thing that i wants to ad, is that when a girl really likes a guy, even if he's from a other country, that she try's to ask how he is or things like that
what this girl never did, she only replete on that guy's letters on fb, and i was just ignored for that time being
after 2 weeks seeing that, i had enough and did a complain, whereafter that it was me to blame, that it was mine fold
there is being told to me at that day at skype, that she would give her answer, if she wanted to continue this relation, after she came back after visiting her family in Russia
i waited a month, until a friend of mine warned me to see her profile

Hate to say this but based on the above, you sound very immature and insecure. Why don't you take a break while you grow up? It will do you wonders.

[Gator]

There are many disillusioned dreamers in this endeavor, both men and women but definitely more men.

[newjason]

Why is it always the men's fault?

In this case , the man is here  complaining about how he was done wrong. From his own explanation, I fail to see how there is anyone else involved in his being rejected by someone with who he had several dates with.
By her adding him to her FB friends list, she showed an interest in being friends, yet, he became jealous and possessive after seeing another man courting her successfully.
He chose to act like an ass, and she banned him from her circle of friends.
They are single people. single people date.

I fail to see how he has concocted this theory about Mila and her selection if women for him to date, as being evil and out to fleece him and all being in on a plot together.
He said himself that Mila took him into her home and offered him a nice meal and a nice atmosphere.
I don't know Mila and have never spoken with her.
But from what I can tell from both of their statements here,  she went above and beyond her position as a matchmaker and invited him into her home and made a great meal for him.
Instead of being a gracious guest, the OP has done quite the opposite,  He has demonstrated a lack of chivalry, a lack of respect and a lack of self control.

Therefore It is this mans fault that he can not see the one who has a problem, and want's to defame the others involved, simply because he can't accept rejection.

Like I said before.
If he truly cared for this woman, he would wish the best for her, truly and without jealousy or malice, accept that it was not meant to be, and move on.
That is what a real man does.
Too bad there are so few of them around these days.

[ML]

I fail to see how he has concocted this theory about Mila and her selection if women for him to date, as being evil and out to fleece him and all being in on a plot together.
He said himself that Mila took him into her home and offered him a nice meal and a nice atmosphere.
I don't know Mila and have never spoken with her.
But from what I can tell from both of their statements here,  she went above and beyond her position as a matchmaker and invited him into her home and made a great meal for him.
Instead of being a gracious guest, the OP has done quite the opposite,  He has demonstrated a lack of chivalry, a lack of respect and a lack of self control.

You may be exactly right.

However, there are three sides to every story.

As I noted earlier, the OP's English does not allow us to understand his position clearly.  And even if we could, you still may be right.

I do not know the correct facts, anymore than anyone else here does except for the parties directly  involved.

However, take a stroll down the possible dark side of this.

A helper has a string of gals.  These gals entice men to visit.  Before the visit there is a request for money for English lessons.  The helper receives money for English lessons, which may not actually ever be given.  This money is shared with the gal.  The helper finds the man an apartment at an inflated price and sets him up with some internet connection at an inflated price.  Some of this inflated price is shared with the gal or gals.  During the visit, the helper and the gals help themselves to some nice dinners and give the man reason to hope that something is developing.  He gives some more money for English lessons, etc.

At some point, the man realizes that he is being taken for a ride and finds out about another man.

Yes, it is not sporting to whine about being beaten out by another man . . . however that is completely different from finding out that you have been taken by a standard scamming operation involving a helper and her string of gals.

Do we know what really happened?  No we do not.

Is it just a simple case of man having unrealistic expectations?  Possibly.

Is is a more complex case of  a scamming operation?  Possibly.

We are very quick here to beat up on the men, deservedly or not.

[bruttus]

so, i had a cool down a bit, and decided not to react on some posts, and allot of thinking to do
first of, i call mine mother that word, because she didn't lookt at me when i was litle, i was raised by mine grandmother, who died 7y ago from cancer

second of all; for me it's a huge difference for being scammed and being used
i feel used, but i believe that i wasn't scammed, i think that what i have payed for using mila's service's was correct for mine staying there
mila did her best to make me comfortable for mine staying there, and thanks to her, i have seen a lot of Kharkov, so i had a good time there and she did her best that i was forgetting those scammers from Zaporozhye, what in fact a difficult task was (i lost a lot of confidence in trusting other people)

but for me, the important thing is when i came back home.
yes, i knew about that other guy, and i decided to go take the competition, and the reason why is, i have sen the date of those photo's from that guy and that girl, and it was posted at 20 feb. 2012
i met that girl, 28 june 2012
so i believed that this girl had to make her mind and because the time between that guy came, and me, i felt a bit secure about it.
why i chose that girl, not because of her age, but i trusted mila, that this girl was really genuine to me
i have asked her this almost daily about that girl if she was really serieus

why i believed that this was more a friendly meeting
for 1, she spend 7 days with me, where in the last weekend, it was the wholle 2 days, and not for a few houres
 2: that this girl take my hand, under table, when we were eating in a restaurant, or when we walked, in her own initiative, hand in hand or when we went swimming at the indoor swimming pool, she walked with me a couple times arm in arm, or acting jealously when i watching a other girl (i'm sorry if you see me as a pervert, but when you go swimming, and you see alot of girls in there badingsuite,)
also, when i was sitting at the bus, to go to kiev, on mine last day, the girl blowt me a kiss from her hand towards me.
for me, i had the feeling that this was a bit more than a friendly meeting.
i don't know what others think about when a girl do things like this, but even mine best female friends in mine own country don't do things like this to a guy, unles that guy is gay.

about the whining, maybe you're right, but i say it again, i have respect for the choice that this girl has made, but i do not agree how i had to find out, and the time that has past by from the moment that i left Kharkov (09/07/12) until the she went from visiting her family in russia, around 18/08/12, if i am not wrong,  until the first weekend of sept. that she went to Mexico.

i left Kharkov with a good feeling, had the best time there, i learnt a lot of the ukrainian ways, and when i was hitting back home, i decided not to search any more
the reason why: financially and the believe that i found a really genuine girl

some of the people here, told me that mila uses the same girls every time, for a friendly meeting, and that can be true, but i see also the opposite from it.
mila is leading a dating agency, so why only men may meet several girls, i believe that the girls may meet also several men, to increase there changes to meet a man that the girl likes to build up a future, with other words, if men may come to meet several lady's, so may the lady's meet several men ( i hope that is explained correctly).

but what i do have problems with, is that while that girl wanted to see me every time, and when i'm back home, that i see that she is writting lovepoems to that other guy, and totaly ignores me, when i ask of she stil is intrested im me (after 2 weeks reading there lovepoems, it was written in English btw, i decided to ask if she was stil intrested to know me better, i received a answer from that girl, please forgive me, i really like that guy

on the day that we talked on skype (well, i typed mostly, because mine pc was screwed by a virus)
i received a totally different answer from that girl, he was just a friend, i don't have to be jealous, well, i take the full blame of it, and acepted it that i would wait until she came back from her family in Russia what her answer would be
i waited a month for any answer

why i believe that mila knew that this girl was using me
she told me a couple days that she didn't know, but i have mine doubts about it, and this is only mine point of vieuw, the rest may think whatever you wants
-between mine leaving from Kharkov, and the moment that she left to meet her family in Russia, was 1 month
-i have checked, you need at least a visa from Ukraine to Mexico, takes a couple weeks when you receive your visa from that country that you go visiting
-than the travel passport, takes also a couple days when you receive it, unless she had one
-the ticket from Kharkov to Mexico, isn't cheap, from what i saw around 1200 euro
-Proof of sufficient funds (US$50 per day) to cover length of stay (is not that much, but still, 2 weeks mexico 50 usd/ day)
-And the fact, that girl had litle knowledge from English when i was there, worser then mine English, but still, she goes to Mexico a couple weeks later after mine visit

sorry, but after all these things, i refuse to accept that Mila didn't know about it, that this girl was going to Mexico
maybe Mila didn't know, then this girl was a really good actres
but again, this is only mine point of view, and while i had a really good time in Kharkov and that mila did her best for me, so i would have a good time there, i have now the feeling that this trip was a waste of mine time and money
i do not say that i was scammed, but i feel used by that girl
For me, i think that Mila was correct for her services, so i don't believe that i was scammed by Mila, she really did her best for me
but what i do hope, is that Mila put that girl of her datinglist, because that girl has made up her mind already, and atleast asks to those genuine girls if she made a decision between this man or the other man that she met previeusly
that's the main reason why i feel used and complain about it

[GoodOlBoy]

However, if Mila was truly involved in this misleading, and earning fees from it, then this is a  warning sign to others.

A helper has a string of gals. These gals entice men to visit. Before the visit there is a request for money for English lessons. The helper receives money for English lessons, which may not actually ever be given. This money is shared with the gal. The helper finds the man an apartment at an inflated price and sets him up with some internet connection at an inflated price. Some of this inflated price is shared with the gal or gals. During the visit, the helper and the gals help themselves to some nice dinners and give the man reason to hope that something is developing. He gives some more money for English lessons, etc.......Is is a more complex case of a scamming operation? Possibly.

So let me try to get this straight ML.
 
You are now prepared to turn your "misogynistic" attention to Mila and try to start a smear campaign on her, here at RWD? 
 
Mila is a commercial member who has been here longer than you ML.
 
As far as I know, Mila's record here at RWD is impeccable.
 
Although there was another 64 yo goat who came back here having a hissy fit and complaining about the flat he rented from Mila not having enough silverware or plates??, IIRC. 
 
Actually, his problem was Mila not being able to hook him up with a young Smokinhotkova.
 
I guess because he also paid Mila money, he felt a sense of "entitlement" to get him one of those young fluffy ones.
 
But then again, he stated here on RWD that he didn't look 64 yo because he took a lot vitamins and had "young" family genes. 

News flash ML, Mila is not a pimp.
 
My advice, be careful who you smear on RWD.
 
GOB

[GoodOlBoy]

since that i was being scammed by those bitches, i have problems to trust people

 

so, i had a cool down a bit, and decided not to react on some posts, and allot of thinking to do
first of, i call mine mother that word, because she didn't lookt at me when i was litle,

Bruttus, heal thyself.
 
GOB

[Daveman]

i don't know what others think about when a girl do things like this, but even mine best female friends in mine own country don't do things like this to a guy, unles that guy is gay.

You figured it out Bruttus.. time to come on the rest of the way out of the closet...


























 


I tried to resist... I really did... I promise... I ... just... couldn't........ stop..... the.... genetic.....  smartassetics....

[Daveman]

Bruttus, I can see why you would think you were used.  It seems to me, though, that the 21 year old girl was just having fun dating.  Remember, she's 21.  Twenty-one.  There are some exceptions, but generally ladies who are 21 don't really have a clue what they want from one moment to the next.  I would suggest for your age of 31 that you not even consider a woman under 26.  Keep dating minimum of 26 year olds until you find one with a personality like the one you found.


She may have been playing you.  Maybe not.  It does seem *very* strangely coincidental that she would be writing another man love poems in English immediately after you were with her.  That would not be something I would expect. 


Obviously you feel used in this situation.  I probably would too.  But, at this point, does that really matter?  Let go of it.  Just chalk it up to experience, take the lessons from it, and move forward better equipped for the  next one.   




But if you are curious, then just ask Mila directly.. in fact I'll ask...


Mila, did you know this woman was planning a trip to Mexico with the other guy while she was seeing Bruttus every day? 

[Daveman]

   
...

But if you are curious, then just ask Mila directly.. in fact I'll ask...


Mila, did you know this woman was planning a trip to Mexico with the other guy while she was seeing Bruttus every day?

But... You are overlooking the simple fact that until there's a mutual declaration of an exclusive relationship, all is fair and the strings have not yet been attached.  Both of Bruttus and the lady are free to do what they want.  Even if she were interested in Bruttus, it is quite OK to be interested in that other guy as well until a choice is made.


Holding hands is cool but doesn't tie the strings... 


Part of the game...

[GoodOlBoy]

D@mn Daveman.... Things must be pretty bad around here when you start posting answers to yourself?? 

MNF is on you know!
 
GOB
 
 

[CanadaMan]

D@mn Daveman.... Things must be pretty bad around here when you start posting answers to yourself?? 

MNF is on you know!
 
GOB

Yeah I had a really good chuckle out of that one too!
I'm sure he has a perfectly good explanation for it though. 

[Daveman]

Yeah I had a really good chuckle out of that one too!
I'm sure he has a perfectly good explanation for it though. 

schizophrenia is indeed a b!tch it is not....


 

[newjason]

I'll wait for Dave to answer himself...

In the meantime,
I was going to post about this last night, but I thought better of it.. not sure why,,

But bruttus you came and cleared things up, and it seems you have has some time to reflect on the events, and what really happened.
When we get our emotional punch in the gut after being rejected by someone we really like, it stings yes it does. It can be hard as a man to try and rationalize how a woman goes about her life and why she makes the decisions that she does. In time you may learn that trying to male sense of another persons actions is an exercise in futility.
You can try and make her tell you why she did what she did, you can try to blame other people for what happened, you can do a lot of things to try to set it all right in your own mind. But in the end, some things are just not meant to be understood.  Love is one of those things bruttus.
(Schizophrenia is another  @DAVE)
The fact that you recognize that you have no control over what another person does is a good first step to being a better person.
You were not scammed bruttus, you were used by a player. you got emotionally involved too soon. Try not to do that, it only puts blinders on your eyes.
You really don't want to be with that girl anyway. She obviously is a player, and it's better for you that you found this out now, rather than later when you would have had a lot more invested into a relationship with her. Keep your chin up and understand that you will move past this and learn from it.

On the bright side, you are now free to move on and find the RIGHT girl, who will kiss and hug you at the pool ( and slap your face when you are  at other girls in bikinis )
the right girl is somewhere in this world, and there is no telling when you will find her, or if she will find you. But until that time comes, you can work on becoming the best man you can be for her.



maybe an apology to your host would be a good first step..

[bruttus]

first of all, i was 30y when i met that girl, i celebrated mine 31th b-day with here
according to Mila, that girl asked to celebrate it with me

these were the things that i asked to mila, on mine profile, and mila can correct me if i'm wrong
- that she is honest
- that she is around mine age (so older then 21y old)
-and call me crazy, but i wanted to be zodiac compatible (sorry, i heard that my grandmother was very happy with her choice of husband, and told me the best zodiac that understands the zodiacsign cancer was scorpio)

from all the profiles that mila sended to me, 2 lady's where older than 26y
the rest was under 25 y old
the girl from 21y old, to be honest, i received her profile, but i didn't choose her to meet, because of her age, but i was suprised to see her when i was there
on the other side, i really look young for mine age
if you see me for the first time, you don't believe that i'm 31y old

on the other side, mine apartment, well, i didn't believe that i paid almost nothing to rent 1, it was bigger, well, sorry, but also cheaper then the apartment that i have rented in Zaporozhye
The one in Kharkov was bigger, cleaner and in a better neighberhood than the apartment in Zaporozhye
so this is one of the reasons why i don't believe that mila has scammed me
because of the apartment and the help that she has given to me

and don't worry about me to move on, plans for the next trip to ukraine is in progress but together with a friend that i have met in Zaporozhye, i'm gona do it on the old fashion way
just going out, and see what it brings, no other people or datingagency's involved, and prolly way cheaper than those agency's

[newjason]

first of all, i was 30y when i met that girl, i celebrated mine 31th b-day with here
according to Mila, that girl asked to celebrate it with me

these were the things that i asked to mila, on mine profile, and mila can correct me if i'm wrong
- that she is honest
- that she is around mine age (so older then 21y old)
-and call me crazy, but i wanted to be zodiac compatible (sorry, i heard that my grandmother was very happy with her choice of husband, and told me the best zodiac that understands the zodiacsign cancer was scorpio)

from all the profiles that mila sended to me, 2 lady's where older than 26y
the rest was under 25 y old
the girl from 21y old, to be honest, i received her profile, but i didn't choose her to meet, because of her age, but i was suprised to see her when i was there
on the other side, i really look young for mine age
if you see me for the first time, you don't believe that i'm 31y old

on the other side, mine apartment, well, i didn't believe that i paid almost nothing to rent 1, it was bigger, well, sorry, but also cheaper then the apartment that i have rented in Zaporozhye
The one in Kharkov was bigger, cleaner and in a better neighberhood than the apartment in Zaporozhye
so this is one of the reasons why i don't believe that mila has scammed me
because of the apartment and the help that she has given to me

and don't worry about me to move on, plans for the next trip to ukraine is in progress but together with a friend that i have met in Zaporozhye, i'm gona do it on the old fashion way
just going out, and see what it brings, no other people or datingagency's involved, and prolly way cheaper than those agency's

Well then, happy birthday!

If you had asked for girls 26 or more
then you should have went out with girls 26 or more.
You had the choice to say NO,  to younger girls, did  you not?
The pitfall of going to another country to date..  you will loosen your rules because of the shortage of time.
Maybe you felt like the kid in the candy store
knowing that vegetables are what you need, but with candy everywhere , oh , just so much candy, you compromised your
principals and like the kid who ate all the candy, you got a tummy ache.  LOL  sorry for the weird analogy but that's all i got dude 
Are you looking for a wife really?
Why do you want to get married?

There is nothing wrong with hooking up with younger girls.
It's great fun and very good for both of your egos.
BUT,  you don't marry the young fun girls.
Don't  even consider it.
If you need a young beauty as a lover, then just do it.
Let the fun last as long as it does, then when it's not fun anymore, you both move on. Just make damn sure that you are clear about that up front as you go into it.


bruttus  LOL  Everyone always says they look young for their age!
sheesh what is with that anyway..
I have some news for you,  this  has little to do with how young or old you look.
It has much more to do with the way you ACT and how you carry yourself. If you are a gentleman and you are worldly and interesting, if you are kind and funny. If you can listen twice as much as you speak, then you will have nothing to fear when your age and your looks become equal.

that being said, I want to ask..
What do you look for in a woman?
I mean  why do you think you need to go to Ukraine to harvest a bride?

Just Curious

I'm happy for you now