Need help opposing immigrant's resident status

[supdood]

A young married Ukrainian woman I dated last year has created a nightmare in my life. After we had a non-violent argument to end the relationship, she obtained a civil protection order and subsequently accused me of violating that protection order and stalking. I'm confident that the charges will be dismissed or that I will otherwise win acquittal, but it's no fun dealing with this crap!

She married a wealthy American, 24 years her senior, whom she met through an internet-based service. He traveled to her country in 2002 to meet several such women.  A year later she came to the US in mid-2003.

Her husband had been arrested by the feds prior to her arrival.  They found a non-denominational preacher to conduct the marriage at the jail. It was conducted by telephone, with the groom in another room separated by glass.

Her husband was subsequently prosecuted in federal court for several counts of tax fraud and, secondly, for soliciting to hire people to murder the federal judge, prosecutor, and IRS agent in his tax case.  He is presently serving a 43-year sentence in the highest-security federal prison in the nation.

As husband and wife, these two have never so much as touched fingertips together. Her relationship with me, which included sincere discussion of marriage, and certainly adultery with respect to her present marriage; these would seem to have put her immigration plans in jeopardy.

I believe she has permanent resident status.  I know that she has some kind of immigration hearing in June, and that she plans to go back to her country in July; at a recent court hearing, we were sheduling trial around her travel plans.

I would like to know how to go about opposing her continued residence in the US or otherwise preventing her from returning if she leaves the US.

I need to learn how to go about reporting this to the correct authority. I've tried calling the toll-free number CIS puts on their website, but that just puts me into an automated messaging system that never results in talking to a human being about my particular issue.

Are there attorneys who specialize in this kind of problem?

[ronin308]

I guess I would wonder why want to go to the time and effort to ruin this woman's attempts at immigrating.  I'd simply avoid all contact with her and let things cool down.

As to what you can do about it personally, basically call CIS and tell them you suspect immigration fraud.  Get the number of the local office rather than the national number, they won't do anything anyway.

 

[Bruno]

[user=307]ronin308[/user] wrote:

I guess I would wonder why want to go to the time and effort to ruin this woman's attempts at immigrating.  I'd simply avoid all contact with her and let things cool down.

It is called revenge... but the real question is why revenge...

Maybe he is really a stalker... she have already obtain a protection order, why ? Maybe "supdood" have not lie the end of relation ? Maybe he seek send her back, so nobody can have her !

All is possible !!!

Strange story :cool:

[Leslie]

You have no legal right whatsoever to interfere with this woman's immigration status.

Should you attempt such interference by contacting the USCIS.  Your activity could easily be construed as further evidence of your stalking behavior.

Cease all contact with this woman.   Do not make statements on her character or behavior to third parties.  This could be used as evidence of defamation.  Deal with specific charges you already face then close this chapter of your life and move on.



 

[supdood]

I didn't realize it would come across that way, but I can see your point(s).

I was advised by my attorney to contact immigration; it's not that I really want to see her deported, or get her into trouble, as much as I want her to leave me alone.  Unfortunately, I have to defend myself.

I'm certain she pursued this course of action against me in order to protect her situation.  She lives with her in-laws, and while we were seeing each other she got constant pressure from them about me.  And her immigration status has always been tenuous.  She's married to this man:

http://www.quackwatch.org/14Legal/hinkson.html

I certainly avoid her and have no contact with her.  But we live in a very small mountain town.  There's one road in and out of town.  It's virtually impossible to not cross paths with someone here.  And I know it sounds callous, but she's a guest in this country.

[Daknack]

Maybe he just wants to keep a lying backstabbing woman out of the country.  Im in favor of that.

[wasson65]

I'm confused:  you said she has permanent resident status, but that she is a guest in this country.

If she is a permanent resident, then she's not a guest, and can be here legally. 

Is the marriage a sham?  Probably, but probably doesn't get the legal system to do anything substantive. 

Accusing someone of stalking is not a crime, but filing false affidavits is. If she's lying, there are consequences, if you care to push the system to enforce them.

Dealing with the legal system always has an element of randomness to it, so I try very hard to avoid contact with it as much as possible.

Somehow getting her deported will not help your status in your small mountain town, I suspect.

Dating married women is never a good idea.

Trying to get her deported will make you look petty, and it will seem as if that's the only way you could shut her up, poor little abused thing, married that wierdo cause she didn't know any better, and then that local boy fills her mind with ideas and dumps her and stalks her.....

No, I don't think she's a poor abused thing, and her marriage is likely a sham, but getting the system to believe that sounds like more trouble than it's worth.

Daknack - She's probably a lying, cheating snake-in-the-grass, in a perfect world she wouldn't have gotten here in the first place.  But is it in supdood's best interests to try to force the issue?

[ronin308]

Daknack your 100% of men in these cases is well known.  Don't forget this guy was dating a married woman as well so both have character problems.  The only reason he's doing this is revenge which helps no one. 

Despite all of that there really isn't much that can be done without opening himself up to other charges beyond stalking as Leslie said.  Even if he reports to USCIS she can simply claim it's revenge since she's gone to court against him already.

[supdood]

Since I registered and started this thread, I guess I asked for whatever responses it might bring.  I'm really just looking for a bit of advice here, on how to contact immigration.

As for the woman, she's hardly a helpless little victim of anything but her own manipulativeness and duplicity.  The worst of what I could say about her is that she's a user and an opportunist, and events of late have turned her into a liar, as well.

But I did fall in love with her some time ago, and I still remember how highly I thought about her, even though now when I see a photo of her I realize I didn't know her at all.  She's an exceptionally talented person, highly educated, a pefectionist.  I'm fully aware that my relationship with her ultimately posed a threat to her first priority:  to be here in the USA rather than in Ukraine.

Please, anyone who has advice they don't feel they can post on this thread, feel free to PM me.  I'm really just looking for a bit of advice here, on how to contact immigration, and to know if they would take action against her because she's been here for 2 years, 8 months, without consummating her marriage.  Would this affect her upcoming USCIS hearing with or without information that she has committed adultery with me?

[Jet]

Though my advice would echo others here, if you are that hell bent on this idea go here: http://infopass.uscis.gov/info_en.php and make an appointment to speak with a USCIS face to face. The phone won't get you anywhere.

[BC]

A 'feeling burnt' third-party mixed up in a marriage where she told you she didn't sleep with her husband.. Yeah right..

Heck call the FBI or CIA for that matter if it makes ya feel good.  Here are numbers to the White House:

[font="arial, helvetica, sans serif"][size="2"][font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"][font="Arial, Helvetica, Sans Serif"][size="2"] Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX:             202-456-2461[/size][/font][/font][/size][/font]

Grow up and move on with your life..

[al-c]

What you really need is somebody with more expertise in this sort of thing than any of us have.  You should consult with an attorney who handles immigration matters.  You want to know how to achieve the legal result you are seeking as well as how to not make youreself vulernable to some undesirable legal consequence.  Only an attorney can really give you the advice that you need.

[Daknack]

[user=307]ronin308[/user] wrote:

Daknack your 100% of men in these cases is well known.  Don't forget this guy was dating a married woman as well so both have character problems.  The only reason he's doing this is revenge which helps no one. 

Despite all of that there really isn't much that can be done without opening himself up to other charges beyond stalking as Leslie said.  Even if he reports to USCIS she can simply claim it's revenge since she's gone to court against him already.

You are blatently and purposefully lying on my position.  I do not mindlessly side with men.  I side immeditaly with those accused of commiting a crime until it is proven.  That is one of the founding prinicpals of this nation. 

For the record anyone that knows anything about me, knows that I feel adultery should be made a criminal offense punishable with jail time.  So yes I agree this guy is a scum bag, also agree that if it were in my power his ass would be in jail then when he "got out" turned over to the husband for a little "street justice".  Both are scum bags.  I whole-heartedly agree with that assessment.

[BC]

Heck why not punish adultry with death.. would fit right in with the 'till death do us part' concept.

Unless it is concentual, adultry only signals the end of a relationship imho.

[Daknack]

I think that perjury is more a punishable by death offense myself.  It subverts the legal system.  If people knew they were going to be hung for filing false claims or lying on the stand there would be alot less abuse of the legal system.

[dwfunk]

I'm really just looking for a bit of  advice here, on how to contact immigration, and to know if they would  take action against her because she's been here for 2 years, 8  months, without consummating her marriage.  Would this affect  her upcoming USCIS hearing with or without information that she has  committed adultery with me?

Sigh, you have the same access to the phone numbers and websites we  do.  We are interested in BRINGING someone into the country and could  care less about booting your mistakes out. 

Grow up, move on.  You are being petty and vindictive to continue this  crusade. It will be twisted into harassment, considered as stalking and  will ultimately benefit her. All you will succeed in doing is provide  more proof of how abusive and controlling you are. Get over it. Pick  better partners, preferably not married ones.

-david
   

[wasson65]

......  I'm really just looking for a bit of advice here, on how to contact immigration, and to know if they would take action against her because she's been here for 2 years, 8 months, without consummating her marriage.

Ok, it can't be that hard to find the office in the phone book or on the internet. 

But let me tell you, I seriously don't think that immigration is worried about forcing some woman to produce bedsheets from her wedding night or whatever would be required to prove they've consummated anything....

You want to oppose her residency in the country.  What standing do you have?  Why should any part of the system value why you think she shouldn't be here?  When it comes to her immigration status, you are NOBODY and your opinions are IRRELEVANT.

Let me put it another way: NOBODY WHO MATTERS CARES IF SHE STAYS!!! 

It's no skin off anyone's nose if she stays here for the rest of her days and marries and divorces the entire penal population in the state and sleeps with every other male in the city between 18 and 52!

[Admin]

For the record anyone that knows anything about me, knows that I feel adultery should be made a criminal offense punishable with jail time. So yes I agree this guy is a scum bag, also agree that if it were in my power his ass would be in jail then when he "got out" turned over to the husband for a little "street justice". Both are scum bags. I whole-heartedly agree with that assessment.

Adultery *is* a criminal charge in many states, including right here in Colorado. HOWEVER - the statute has not been prosecuted in some decades - and the last time had something to do with a police officer who had an affair on his wife - and that never made it to the courts with the prosecution eventually dismissing the charges.

In just a few states - those which are acknowledged as being more "Family-oriented" than others, the act of adultery represents a legitimate and an actionable claim in civil courts. Utah and North Carolina are among a handful of states which still have "Alienation of Affection" and "Criminal Conversation" torts - and there are cases filed every year in those states - some resulting in jury awards amounting to BIG $$$ (more than a few thousand or tens of thousands).

Most states, however, have capitulated to the feminist argument that those sorts of claims are anachronistic and harken to an era when women were considered mere chattel. I, for one, wholeheartedly disagree with that conclusion, and consider that society (and the legislatures) have an obligation to protect the family unit - and failing to penalize adulterous activity, fails to protect the family unit - and fails to protect society. But that is just my opinion.

In this instance, I see a guy lacking integrity and thought nothing of having an extramarital adulterous affair  - later discovered that his adulterous partner lacked integrity herself (what a shock :hairraising:) - and now wants to complain to authorities and create problems for her.

The ONLY inconvenience the guy cites for his vindictive attitude is that she got a civil protective order against him.

Like others - it sounds to me that this guy should just forget about her - and get on with his life. While at it, it may serve him well to deeply consider his own mistakes and flawed decision-making which allowed this situation to develop.

In the meantime, to try to interfere with the woman's effort to seek permanent immigration to the US is tantamount to harassment - and as such, it is illegal.

I urge you all to be circumspect with sending ANY PM's to this guy - as any assistance you offer could be interpreted as assisting him in wrongful behavior.

Note: I am not a lawyer, just a simple person with more experience with the legal system in this country than 10 people should have.

FWIW

- Dan

[ronin308]

Daknack, how is stating an observation that you seem to come out against the woman in cases where we don't know all of the facts every time makes me a liar?  Personally I like to get a bit more information before running my mouth.  Sorry if I got the wrong impression.  At least we agree that both aren't citizens in good standing. 

supdood, if she's been here for over 2 years as you state, chances are that it will be very hard to get her sent back.  By involving yourself in the process you are setting yourself up to be involved in a nasty legal battle.  You'd be smarter to just lay low.

[BillyB]

supdood,

   A lot of unstable people here.  What are you thinking for having an affair with a woman who married a known criminal in prison for attempting  to murder people he didn't like? He's sure to not like you and he's sure to find out since his wife lives with his parents. You saying "She's an exceptionally talented person, highly educated, a pefectionist." makes me question anything you say. Count your blessings and run as far away from this problem as you can.

[supdood]

You know, I actually agree with pretty much everything being discussed.

Except the scumbag part, naturally.  I served a number of years in uniform with the motto "De Oppresso Liber" on my flash.  You go figure what that means.

This woman always presented herself to me as being in a marriage that would be easily annulled - even our priest said it was not a marriage so far as the Church is concerned.  Not until our last argument did she ever present herself to me as being unwilling to get divorced.  And then, suddenly, I read a police report in which she described herself as "a happily married woman and only wanted to be friends" with me.  So once again, her marriage became a convenient haven.

And don't think I'm insensitive to immigration concerns in general.  I know that most who are on this forum have likely tried to bring or keep someone here, and that can be quite a journey itself.  My mother and I came here from W. Germany when I was a child.  My undergraduate degree is in International Studies, and in military and civilian life I've traveled widely.

On the other hand, the harassment angle is exactly why I've sought other opinions in the form of this semi-anonymous forum.  I do appreciate that this could come across as carrying a torch way too far.

Like I noted in the first post, the idea was given to me by an attorney who actually told me I'm being a p****y because I've been unwilling to seriously fight back so far.  His job is to make sure I put up the best defense possible.  Thing is, the criminal case won't go away, so I can't just walk away from it.  And if she's stuck overseas, well, I could care less about the protection order regarding someone halfway around the world.  I mean, this whole thing sucks out loud.  I really cared about this woman at one time, and gave much of myself to her.  But now I have to defend against her.  I don't think I should be condemned for defending myself vigorously.

[supdood]

Billy B, your post must've come up while I was pondering the previous post.

I've exchanged letters with her husband.  That was the source of the argument!

[jb]

Since you were not the petitioner that brought her into the country you have no right to interfere with her continued existence here.  If the woman has been here over two years and eight months, she already has her green card, and there's absolutely nothing anyone can do, or say, to the BCIS to get her out of the country at this point unless she commits a felony crime and is convicted.   You may think you're doing the country a favor by exposing a fraud, but it's just not worth it. 

Cut you ties and forget her~!

[BillyB]

sudood,

Your lawyer doesn't understand the trouble you can get into messing with her rights to stay in America since it's a form of harrassment and abuse. Her own husband would have a hard time to get her deported even if his record was spotless.

I don't know what you wrote to the man in jail. Maybe you were trying to get the wife kicked out his parents house? You really need to be careful here. You could be on the receiving end of a bullet. Think about it, do you think he'll listen to you or his wife who visits him and possibly giving him the only hetrosexual sex he'll be having for the next few years or decades if she hangs around that long. You're a nobody to him and she is whether she's faithful or not.

[supdood]

Okay, thanks for all your replies.  I'll take it under advisement that this would be a bad idea.