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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2100 on: January 04, 2021, 04:24:12 PM »

I debated about posting on this but I think it's time because the issue is real and can have a real impact on humanity. There is a conspiracy theory from those on the right saying that The Great Reset wants to limit the population. They also say people like Bill Gates wants to reduce the population of the world. They cite experts who say the new mRNA vaccines by Moderna and Pfizer are harmful to our reproductive systems. It may limit our ability to have kids and even cause birth defects due to genetic manipulation. Because of COVID, mRNA based vaccines which have never been approved before is now rushed to the market. Do those 'experts' know what they're talking about? I did my own Google research to find this...

According to page 132 of Pfizer's clinical protocals, they require males in the study to refrain from donating sperm and ask them to not have unprotected sex with females who can bear children. Females in the study need to take precautions from getting pregnant

http://pfe-pfizercom-d8-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf


A Dec 10th Pfizer document been released and at the bottom of page 12 talks about findings and outcomes of certain studies but when it came to study on Developmental and Reproductive Toxicity, the study is 'ongoing' yet they've approved the vaccine for release. So my recommendation for anybody wanting to have kids in the future is to avoid the Pfizer, Moderna, or any vaccine that is mRNA based. It would be a shame if 5-10 years from now they tell us they made a mistake releasing it too soon.

http://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download


A news anchor asks Bill Gates if vaccines are safe because there's a high rate of side effects among the people who are taking vaccines. Bill Gates's answer doesn't give me confidence.

http://twitter.com/WarTimeGirl/status/1343673202971717644


Good news is because of our social distancing practices and record number of people taking flu vaccines, flus are at an all time low.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/good-news-flu-cases-disappear-us-number-positive-flu-tests-time-low-reason/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostBottomSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

That's interesting theory Billy. It could just be standard safe guards during all clinical trials or particular ones. I guess if I wait for most others to get vaccinated then I won't need to lol. No rush for me to then necessarily, on the other hand the way I see it is life is life, if a vaccine f's up then the I just have to accept the worst it can do judged against the worst the virus can do. Even still I may lag behind with getting it and see how the rest of the population as guinea pigs take to it first ;D
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2101 on: January 04, 2021, 09:51:33 PM »
A big gripe about how slowly the vaccine is administered ....I saw that in France on the first week of vaccinations yielded only 514 or so inoculations. 
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2102 on: January 04, 2021, 09:56:49 PM »
That's interesting theory Billy. It could just be standard safe guards during all clinical trials or particular ones.



Actually the standard safe guards are being ignored in some cases. As you can see from the Pfizer document I submitted, they say the study on reproductive toxicity is ongoing which means they haven't concluded if their vaccine will or won't cause reproductive harm. I know you plan to have kids someday. Careful what you put in your body otherwise you may have a genetically defective Trenchcoat Jr to take care of.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2103 on: January 05, 2021, 04:05:43 AM »

Actually the standard safe guards are being ignored in some cases. As you can see from the Pfizer document I submitted, they say the study on reproductive toxicity is ongoing which means they haven't concluded if their vaccine will or won't cause reproductive harm. I know you plan to have kids someday. Careful what you put in your body otherwise you may have a genetically defective Trenchcoat Jr to take care of.

A defective Trenchcoat surely not, lol. Thanks Billy I most appreciate the heads up on that one. I reckon by the time they get around to my age group most of the population will have been vaccinated. I will look into the pros and cons then. Certainly it may be worth looking at putting it off and seeing how others fair. By the end of Summer if the government move at a worthwhile enough pace most of the population should have been vaccinated which may eradicate the virus altogether, that if it doesn't mutate into a new variety that the current vaccines can't protect against of course. I think at the moment the government's concern is just getting rid of the virus thereby thinking on at a government level rather than a personal level of how it might possibly negatively adversely affect certain individuals. For the individual though I can see how we need to think of our personal selves as governments can't be trusted to. I don't doubt the seriousness of the virus and how bad it can be for those that catch it but going charging into getting vaccinated might not be as wise as I thought it was, not for the under 60s anyway.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2104 on: January 07, 2021, 08:29:35 AM »
It's looking more and more like that they should have stomped on this virus early by keeping the first lockdown full on until cases of virus had gone, rest of the world too. Virus firgures of 62 thousand infected here in the UK in most recent day so it looks like it won't be going down quick any time soon, its actually going up a bt. Added to that there now apparently is a new mutant variant of the virus in South Africa that has emerged, highly infectious and worst part is that it doesn't look that the vaccines will be that effective against it at least as far as they can tell at the moment. Virus infection rate and death rate way, way up there in recent days.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2105 on: January 07, 2021, 02:31:15 PM »
It's looking more and more like that they should have stomped on this virus early by keeping the first lockdown full on until cases of virus had gone, rest of the world too. Virus firgures of 62 thousand infected here in the UK in most recent day so it looks like it won't be going down quick any time soon, its actually going up a bt. Added to that there now apparently is a new mutant variant of the virus in South Africa that has emerged, highly infectious and worst part is that it doesn't look that the vaccines will be that effective against it at least as far as they can tell at the moment. Virus infection rate and death rate way, way up there in recent days.
4,000 dead from virus yesterday alone here in the states...a new record.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2106 on: January 09, 2021, 01:07:44 PM »
Who else here is getting tired of watching the never ending video repetition of hypos being loaded from vials and then getting stuck into arms? Is there some rationale that I don't understand?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2107 on: January 09, 2021, 01:27:18 PM »
I assume to (a) let people know that the vaccine is being distributed; and (b) encourage people, when their time comes, to take the jab.


Shots of people being jabbed are not appearing in Canada, and least, not where I live.  But news coverage does cover how many doses have been administered province wide.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2108 on: January 09, 2021, 02:06:44 PM »
Who else here is getting tired of watching the never ending video repetition of hypos being loaded from vials and then getting stuck into arms? Is there some rationale that I don't understand?
Yes and I am alarmed at the length of the needles which are twice normal.
And they are pushed fully in.
A lot of bones being hit, I'll bet.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2109 on: January 09, 2021, 02:55:02 PM »
Place your trust in Pfizer. They produce Viagra so if they can raise the dead, surely they can save the living?

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2110 on: January 10, 2021, 11:52:50 PM »
Yes and I am alarmed at the length of the needles which are twice normal.
And they are pushed fully in.
A lot of bones being hit, I'll bet.
+ the medical assistants [after hundreds of exhausting injections a day] might miss the arm and you get it in the ear. So much for encouraging people to take the jab 
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2111 on: January 11, 2021, 09:44:09 AM »
In case  anyone misunderstood . . . I am all for the Covid vaccines and will get ASAP . . . extra long needle or not.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2112 on: January 13, 2021, 12:48:07 PM »

Actually the standard safe guards are being ignored in some cases. As you can see from the Pfizer document I submitted, they say the study on reproductive toxicity is ongoing which means they haven't concluded if their vaccine will or won't cause reproductive harm. I know you plan to have kids someday. Careful what you put in your body otherwise you may have a genetically defective Trenchcoat Jr to take care of.

Yeah been looking into it, think I'll try and go for the Oxford vaccine, it's not mRNA based so it looks a reasonable enough punt. Here's an article on it:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/23/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-everything-we-know-so-far

So it done using previous technics without using altered DNA. As they say no vaccine is currently 100 percent in preventing or protecting against the virus so probably best bet as need something as I reckon to go around totally unprotected could be a bit risky. I'll definitely avoid the mRNA ones though. Here in the UK most will be the Oxford one so I most likely get that one. If the other one turns up I'll turn it down until I can get the Oxford one I think.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2113 on: January 15, 2021, 11:51:24 AM »
23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine
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Twenty-three people died in Norway within days of receiving their first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, with 13 of those deaths all nursing home patients apparently related to the side effects of the shots, health officials said.
Common reactions to the vaccine, including fever and nausea, may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients, Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, said in a Friday statement.
All 13 were nursing home patients and at least 80 years old. While officials arent expressing serious concern, they are adjusting their guidance on who should receive the vaccine.
The news comes just over a week after officials reported the deaths of just two nursing home residents after they received the Pfizer jab.
MORE...   
http://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/

I think that maybe/perhaps something nefarious happened   :-\
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2114 on: January 16, 2021, 11:56:41 AM »



America's State Department is blaming the CCP for the virus.


http://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2115 on: January 16, 2021, 07:23:19 PM »
As of Jan 8 thereabouts ----------------
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Cases overview  China (Mainland)
Total cases88,227Recovered82,387Deaths4,635
Worldwide
Total cases94.4MRecovered52MDeaths2.02M
http://www.statista.com/statistics/1092918/china-wuhan-coronavirus-2019ncov-confirmed-and-deceased-number/

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« Reply #2116 on: January 17, 2021, 02:28:45 PM »
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Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot called Thursday for the citys restaurants and bars to be reopened as soon as possible, saying that it will prevent COVID-19 from spreading through private parties, because business owners can enforce social distancing protocols.[/q]
If we have people and give them an outlet for entertainment in the restaurant space, in the bar space, we have much more of an opportunity, in my view, to be able to regulate and control that environment, Lightfoot said.
People are engaging in risky behavior that is not only putting themselves at risk, but putting their families, their co-workers, and other ones at risk. Lets bring it out of the shadows. Lets allow them to have some recreation in restaurants, in bars, where we can actually work with responsible owners and managers to regulate and protect people from COVID-19, she said.

Chicago Mayor Calls for Bars, Restaurants to Reopen to Prevent Spread of COVID | CNSNews
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2117 on: January 18, 2021, 08:38:16 AM »
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One in eight recovered COVID-19 patients reportedly die within 5 months         
  By Yaron Steinbuch
  January 18, 2021

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Almost a third of recovered COVID-19 patients end up back in the hospital within five months and up to one in eight die of complications from the illness, according to a report.
Researchers at the UKs Leicester University and the Office for National Statistics found that out of 47,780 people discharged from the hospital, 29.4 percent were readmitted within 140 days, the Telegraph reported.
Of the total, 12.3 percent succumbed to the illness, it added.
Many people who suffer long-lasting effects of the coronavirus develop heart problems, diabetes and chronic liver and kidney conditions, according to the report.
People seem to be going home, getting long-term effects, coming back in and dying. We see nearly 30 percent have been readmitted, and thats a lot of people. The numbers are so large, study author Kamlesh Khunti said.

http://nypost.com/2021/01/18/1-in-8-recovered-covid-19-patients-die-within-5-months-study/


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2118 on: January 18, 2021, 08:44:00 AM »

 
http://nypost.com/2021/01/1

8/1-in-8-recovered-covid-19-patients-die-within-5-months-study/

Stands to reason because something like 40% of deaths have been nursing home residents.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2119 on: January 18, 2021, 09:01:40 AM »
It's looking more and more like that they should have stomped on this virus early by keeping the first lockdown full on until cases of virus had gone, rest of the world too. Virus firgures of 62 thousand infected here in the UK in most recent day so it looks like it won't be going down quick any time soon, its actually going up a bt. Added to that there now apparently is a new mutant variant of the virus in South Africa that has emerged, highly infectious and worst part is that it doesn't look that the vaccines will be that effective against it at least as far as they can tell at the moment. Virus infection rate and death rate way, way up there in recent days.

BoJo has made an absolute blunder of it all, aiming for "victory before Christmas". It is now costing us dearly.

The Oxford vaccine does seem the way to go as it's very promising, affordable, effective, having passed the phase 3 trials properly, and easier to ramp up production when the vaccine super-factory is open.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2120 on: January 18, 2021, 10:49:01 AM »
The PM came down with it...Pres Trump also---Whatever medicine they were given seems to work.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2121 on: January 18, 2021, 10:53:39 AM »
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2122 on: January 18, 2021, 11:21:05 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/every-single-passenger-board-2-173140950.html

Business Insider
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Every single passenger on board 2 international flights to Canada informed that they were potentially exposed to COVID-19
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  • All passengers on board two Air Transat flights from Haiti to Montreal have potentially been exposed to COVID-19, the Toronto Sun reported.
  • Passengers seated in "all rows" have been notified by the Canadian government's exposure tracking system that they need to monitor their symptoms.
  • The Canadian government announced on January 7 that a negative coronavirus test is required to fly. Haiti, where these passengers were traveling from, is one of the two territories exempt from this rule.
  • More than 70 other international flights to Canada have carried people infected with the coronavirus, according to the Toronto Sun.
  • Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.
Two Air Transat flights had so many people on board infected with COVID-19 that all the passengers are now deemed to be at risk of catching the virus, the Toronto Sun reported.
Flights TS663 AND TS665 - both taking passengers from Haiti to Montreal - were identified by Health Canada as flights with several confirmed coronavirus cases, the paper said.
Now, passengers seated in "all rows" have been notified that they have potentially been exposed to the virus.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #2123 on: January 18, 2021, 02:12:03 PM »
The PM came down with it...Pres Trump also---Whatever medicine they were given seems to work.

Most otherwise healthy folks do recover from Covid with no medication.
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