Why your woman don't help you?

[Olly]

Tell me, guys, why you don't ask your girl to help you? You want to meet your girl ( I mean ONE girl but not the agency shop with dozens of women) in her city and she don't help you look for apartment. You want to meet her in third country and she don't try to find tickets for herself.
You spend your money, pay for her trip, restaurants, gifts for her and her family and she can't move her ass to use internet and make a few calls to help you.
Im sorry but I don't understand. It means only one - she is not interested in you seriously.

[Gator]

....she don't help you look for apartment....It means only one - she is not interested in you seriously.

Its worse than that - she is rude.  Russian people are very hospitable, and even if her interest is lukewarm the average RW will still try to help you with your trip to her city.
Of course if you are meeting other RW, do not expect much help. 

[Olly]

Of course if you are meeting other RW, do not expect much help.

Of course I mean meeting one lady.

[Shadow]

The first woman I met did help in checking out the office. She wanted me to ask for an official invoice just to see how ' official' it was.
MrsShadow had no time to find me accomodation due to it being a last minute planning. However my own skills are good enough to find something over internet.

[ML]

Olly, we hear of dozens of cases here, and each is different, so each man is looking at a different scenario and likewise his gal (or gals) is playing out different scenarios.

A logical man won't be planning to visit with only one woman on a first trip to a particular city.

And, this same logical man knows (or should  know) that he cannot let one woman help with planning his trip, renting apartments, etc., because when things don't work out with that one woman, she can wreak havoc on his entire visit.

Now, on the other hand, when a man is planning to meet only one woman in a third country; then yes, of course, this woman should be fully pitching in to help plan the trip . . . and most of all, the part where she gets herself out of her own country and on the way.

[CDW]

My ex-girlfriend (from Tashkent, Uzbekistan) had helped me bit.  Relationships are about sharing things and working out together.

[CDW]

Many years ago, I had planned to go to Ukraine to see a woman, and had asked her to find an apartment / hotel for the meeting - not too expensive and not too cheap.  She had found few of them, but they were all very expensive apartments and 5 star hotels.    I asked her about the "other" apartments (good apartment, not too expensive and not too cheap), but she did not like them. 

Therefore I already knew what kind of lady she was.   I, therefore, had cancelled my planning and start looking for a new woman.

[Olly]

A logical man won't be planning to visit with only one woman on a first trip to a particular city.

A logical man won't be planning to visit 10-20 women whom he had never seen and have not had a long correspondence. But... it is theme for new topic 

[Olly]

Many years ago, I had planned to go to Ukraine to see a woman, and had asked her to find an apartment / hotel for the meeting - not too expensive and not too cheap.  She had found few of them, but they were all very expensive apartments and 5 star hotels.    I asked her about the "other" apartments (good apartment, not too expensive and not too cheap), but she did not like them. 

Therefore I already knew what kind of lady she was.   I, therefore, had cancelled my planning and start looking for a new woman.

Very clever! Good point to check out woman's intentions.

[Vaughn]

( I mean ONE girl but not the agency shop with dozens of women)

The key question is: just how many Western men actually are willing to make a halfway around the world trip to meet only one particular woman? Very few as I've read here over the years. I went WOVO without an agenda to maximize my return on investment by coming back home an engaged man. So I had no trouble asking for guidance and advice from my intended. She, in turn, gladly obliged. I found her to be very thrifty and a good caretaker of my (our) expenses. Such was my good fortune to have met a serious and responsible woman. It's not all luck - the communication before an initial meeting (and careful consideration for all the flags therein, both red and green) is paramount to taking a viable WOVO plunge.
 
Few ladies ever get the chance to make arrangements for a man who's planning to meet multiple women. He simply doesn't want any one woman 1) handling his deposits, if any....  2) knowing exactly where he lives, and who his landlord is....  3) establishing a level of trust with one lady when in truth, she's just one among a dozen he intends to meet. And so he goes it alone.
 
Now if a lady is involved with a one-on-one WOVO and is reluctant or apathetic about sharing in a plan -  it's time to recognize that she's really not that interested.

I asked her about the "other" apartments (good apartment, not too expensive and not too cheap), but she did not like them. 

Therefore I already knew what kind of lady she was.   I, therefore, had cancelled my planning and start looking for a new woman.

CDW got it right even before liftoff.
 

[Vaughn]

A logical man won't be planning to visit with only one woman on a first trip to a particular city.

I always find it amusing how others will find a WOVO "illogical"....  the very notion is as illogical as a WOVO saying a WMVM is treating the endeavor as a "business"...

[Gator]

The other alternative is meeting in a third country.  These frequently reveal the woman's level of interest because some of these women live in remote cities, and their trip may take longer than your travel time.   
 
This was the case when I met a woman from Arkhangelsk in Spain.    Aeroflot had flights but were expensive.   Also, a visa was an issue.  She had a Finnish visa so she took a 12-hour train to St. Petersburg, stayed overnight at a hostel in St. Pete, took a long bus  ride to Helsinki, and then flew Finn Air to Spain.  I paid for her travel costs, but the hassle she endured proved she definitely wanted to see me. 
 
 

[The Natural]

A logical man won't be planning to visit with only one woman on a first trip to a particular city.

Oh, it's good to get a diagnosos, finally. Not logical or perhaps illogical or logically challenged. I better refer to the DSM manual and have another listen to Supertramp's "The Logical Song".

[ML]

I always find it amusing how others will find a WOVO "illogical"....  the very notion is as illogical as a WOVO saying a WMVM is treating the endeavor as a "business"...

Yes, and you know Vaughn, that this is exactly how many of the WOVO crowd view the WMVM crowd.  i.e. as a shopping trip.

And, to go a bit further, stand back for a moment and view the threads on this board as an independent third party.  You are a good and honest man Vaughn, so you can do this.

View the threads where a guy went WOVO and see the comments.  Yes a few criticisms where thing went belly up, but nothing very strong. 

Now Vaughn, view the threads where the guy went WMVM.
You will see unmitigated vicious attacks on these men from the WOVO men and from the women.

Yes, I firmly believe the men and women who participate in these WOVO trips are illogical.

But, I do not use the very vicious, fierce, savage, deplorable, beastly, venomous, cruel, poisonous, and brutal words that have been directed at me and others who have followed the WOVO mode.

[ML]

A logical man won't be planning to visit 10-20 women whom he had never seen and have not had a long correspondence. But... it is theme for new topic 

Olly, stop and re-read your words.

You are saying it isn't logical for a man to go to a distant city and meet with 10-20 women he had never met before;

but that it would be logical for a man to go to a distant city to meet with only one woman he had never met before.

Aside from all other factors . . . what about simple probabilities?

[Muzh]

Olly, stop and re-read your words.

You are saying it isn't logical for a man to go to a distant city and meet with 10-20 women he had never met before;

but that it would be logical for a man to go to a distant city to meet with only one woman he had never met before.

Aside from all other factors . . . what about simple probabilities?

Well, it all depends what you are planning on doing.

It is very hard to have an orgy with only one woman.

[Olly]

but that it would be logical for a man to go to a distant city to meet with only one woman he had never met before.
Aside from all other factors . . . what about simple probabilities?

I mean a lot of long conversations on Skype for example.

[Muzh]

I mean a lot of long conversations on Skype for example.

Nah, I like my rebuttal better. 

[Daveman]

Well, it all depends what you are planning on doing.

It is very hard to have an orgy with only one woman.

True, but the task becomes easier if one dates (or is) schizophrenic..  Just ask ahead of time, or put that in your profile.. 

[BC]

Olly, stop and re-read your words.

You are saying it isn't logical for a man to go to a distant city and meet with 10-20 women he had never met before;

but that it would be logical for a man to go to a distant city to meet with only one woman he had never met before.

Aside from all other factors . . . what about simple probabilities?

ML,

Love never has been and never will be about odds.  I disagree with those that call this a numbers game. You simply get what you wish for and have to deal with it.

Nothing more, nothing less...

[ML]

I mean a lot of long conversations on Skype for example.

I think you can talk on Skype with more than just one person in the course of a day or week.  At least one at at time.

But, to really be most efficient, the man (or woman) could probably get several women (men) hooked into the same Skype conversation at the same time. 

This would save a lot of time as each woman (man) could hear the man's (woman's) answers to others' questions, and wouldn't have to ask that same question.

I wonder if this idea has been patented?

[Ranetka]

I think you can talk on Skype with more than just one person in the course of a day or week.  At least one at at time.

But, to really be most efficient, the man (or woman) could probably get several women (men) hooked into the same Skype conversation at the same time. 

This would save a lot of time as each woman (man) could hear the man's (woman's) answers to others' questions, and wouldn't have to ask that same question.

I wonder if this idea has been patented?

Yep, there is a TV show based on this idea.

[Daveman]

Ok getting away from the Sex Tourist VM's and the Delusional Dreamer VO's and back on topic.


I agree Olly.  If  a woman doesn't seem interested in planning, etc, a man's visit, there's a far greater chance that she's not into him.

[ML]

You simply get what you wish for . . . .

Holy Mackerel Andy !!!

[ML]

Ok getting away from the Sex Tourist VM's and the Delusional Dreamer VO's and back on topic.

I like this general idea Dave to have these labels to attach.

But, let's find one for VM that is a little more toward the innocuous Delusional Dreamer category.