Age difference from RW perspective

[Fiorella]

So, when are you going to tell us something about yourself other than directing us to your apartment rental business? 

What MY BUSINESS I am directing here? Have I missed something?

[tim 360]

Fiorella & Kvinna,  It is silly to think that a  man in the USA opens a catalog,  finds a woman's photo and profile and then places an order for her...and she arrives?%^$#@?$%#  What kinda mushrooms are you 2 smokin'?  Or are you smokin' cabbage?

To marry a lady from Russia or Ukraine requires much more time, work and $$$ than you state.  Some men feel it is worth the effort.  From where do you get your inane information and statements?  Cheerio, Tim

[Kvinna]

[user=62]tim 360[/user] wrote:

From where do you get your inane information and statements?  Cheerio, Tim

 Mostly from such forums like this

also I ask you, as [user=159]Fiorella[/user] did this already, read our post, and don't invent something there never was... It is impossible to have dialog with ppl who don't hear other, and it seems to me we only waste our time on this board trying to show our perspective to you. Instead of discussion subject, most of you discuss me (Who has given you the right to make your foolish assumptions of my private life? I am able to generalize too and make the assumptions concerning yours, and believe me, it will be the very unflattering assumptions. Either we discuss here issue, or this board turn into assembly of the spiteful old men)

 

[BC]

Kvinna,

I for one enjoy your and Fiorella's view on things. I think the negative responses you are getting on this board may be that most here know very little about you personally.

Many of us have posted a short description so that other members know a wee bit about us and where we are 'in the process'. Over time one can build a small picture from the personal experiences shared.

Maybe you can share a bit about who you are, your experiences and goals as they relate to these discussions?

'Ruffling feathers' ain't all bad.. especially if there is a sweet woman doing the ruffling.

[Elen]

Maybe you can share a bit about who you are, your experiences and goals as they relate to these discussions

 yeah-yeah :? and give males at that board the endless topic for discussion "personalities" instead of real problems:D

[BC]

[user=62]tim 360[/user] wrote:

It is silly to think that a  man in the USA opens a catalog,  finds a woman's photo and profile and then places an order for her...

Actually that is the general public perception AND the 'bait' that lures many men into this process..  There are a lot of men looking for that 'easier, softer way' getting on flights every day.. seen that alot. The bragging you hear on the return flights is outrageous sometimes - wish the GF/Fiancee's could hear it..

Saw an older 'gentleman' loose his marbles at the US Embassy in Moscow... screaming at the Consul and generally acting like a kid in a tantrum because he could not take his fiancee/wife back with him.. Teenage girl crying in the corner but don't really know who she was.... Whatta show.  The  Consul just shook her head, smiled and pushed that little red button with the worn paint..

Exception or rule?... I dunno...

[retired_army_ranger]

I am retired from military service during which I served with airborne and ranger units which required one to stay in top physical condition.  Since retirement, I have always dated women from age 25 to 55.  My last girlfriend in the US was 29.  That was last year.  I'm 68 and by no means a "sugar daddy".  I live on a fixed income.  I've dated women here 25 to 44.  I suppose the age difference is  a problem for some guys and girls.  I see guys half my age who I can run circles around.  I see guys my age who are on their last leg. It all depends on the individual and how well he  ages.  I am viagra free, still workout as if I'm going to be called on to lead a combat team, and I have a pretty good diet.  My partner, Gary, is 51 and I can outperform him in any physical endeavor.  My other partner, Steve, is 35, a race car driver, and he has a hard time hanging with me.  So, all I can say is keep yourself in good shape, very little alcohol, good diet, and a facelift if you need it.  I'm getting one.  No sense having a 35 year old body with a much older face.  Only about $2,000 here in Odessa. I plan to live another 40 years, and I'll go out dancing.

[Bruno]

Yep retired Army...

About the difference of age, you need to think at more long time... imagine, now you are good shape at 68 and marry a RW from 25... what in 20 year... she will be 45, in good shape and you will be 88 ( if you reach it )... and what about children... yes, you are always able to make some but when they will be young adolescent, maybe you will not more able to make some sport with them...

Dating is only about short term relationship but russian woman wish a marriage who is a long term relationship... and you need think to these long term...

[retired_army_ranger]

I'm not planning on marraige.  I'm here to have fun and I can find plenty of women who play without pay.  Seeing the lifestyle that most guys I know half my age are living, I'd say that I'll be dancing on their graves.

[Kvinna]

[user=188]retired_army_ranger[/user] wrote:

I'm not planning on marraige. I'm here to have fun and I can find plenty of women who play without pay. Seeing the lifestyle that most guys I know half my age are living, I'd say that I'll be dancing on their graves.

 

so are you sex tourist???

[tim 360]

Yes BC,  the public perception you speak of is correct.  A certain stigma is attached to the MOB thing.  Probably with very good reason.  Questionable guys lured by questionable bait, offered by questionable agencies.  Add to that some of the guys may have psyschological problems or have strange motives and definitely gets the pervs outta the closet...yet,  I know it has its very good marriages too. 

[Muzh]

I'm not planning on marraige. I'm here to have fun and I can find plenty of women who play without pay. Seeing the lifestyle that most guys I know half my age are living, I'd say that I'll be dancing on their graves.

 

so are you sex tourist???
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Nope.  He's a young-at-heart old geezer having the time of his life.

Retired Army Ranger, I stand on attention and salute you.  Go for it and have fun.  Life is too short.

[Elen]

Wonder what pricely does 68 years old guy call "fun" :???

[Admin]

yeah-yeah :?and give males at that board the endless topic for discussion "personalities" instead of real problems:D

Elen,

You are correct - there is that risk.

At the same time, the internet is a strange venue. It is possible for someone to masquerade as someone else - even for a man to masquerade as a woman - and for various agendas to be played out.

Let me provide a very personal example. I recently discovered that my ex-wife reads this board. I suppose it is even possible that she has taken an identity and posts messages on this board under a pseudonym. She does this for reasons that I do not entirely understand - but since we are embroiled in a very lengthy and ugly legal battle, I presume it is to gather information that she feels she might use against me in court. As a consequence, I am very careful about what I share on the board because I know there is someone lurking who has malicious intent towards me.

Some of the guys on this board do not know your 'agenda' - your motivation for participating on the board. I personally LIKE having you and Fiorella and other RW posting on the board because I think it adds a perspective and a dimension that is extremely valuable.

But take for example Bruce, or jb, or Turboguy, or any of the other regular board participants - I *know* why they are here posting on the board.

I give you and Fiorella the benefit of the doubt, and I presume you are here to give the benefit of your advise and experience, and I hope you provide that in a manner that is productive and educational to everyone.

Others, however, are more suspicious - and I can understand their suspicions. Can you see why they might be suspicious - especially since they have asked you and Fiorella to make a small post to introduce yourselves and allow us to get to know you better, but you have been unwilling to do so?

I understand your reluctance to provide personal information that feel might be used by others to attack you - and that is a valid concern. Still, the impersonal nature of an internet discussion board sometime requires all of us to be a little more friendly - *if* we are truly intending to learn from each other.

Just my thoughts - and please stay on the board and offer your experiences and wisdoms.

- Dan

[Elen]

I have posted all I wanted you to know about me in my profile

[Admin]

I have posted all I wanted you to know about me in my profile

Elen,

That is fair.

So what we know is that you were born in 1964 - makes you 40 years old (approximately). You were (or still are) married, for at least 20 years. You have a daughter 18 (approximately), and you were offended at the fact a much older western man wanted to come to visit your daughter.

You are Russian and have a bigoted view of Ukrainians - which is fairly typical of Russians.

That is what I *think* I have learned about you.

But I have also learned that you are very intelligent - very strong-willed - will ALWAYS speak your mind - and you have a lot of good information to share with the guys here.

Do you disagree with anything I have written?

You know - one way of interpreting the questions the guys ask is that they want to know you better. I think many genuinely appreciate your candor, and in spite of their suspicions, would like to gain from all the experience you have to offer. It is a natural process to want to understand more about someone as you continue to interact with them.

I am glad you are here - even though I do not agree with your incorrect perspective on Ukrainians :cool:

- Dan

[Bruno]

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But I have also learned that you are very intelligent - very strong-willed - will ALWAYS speak your mind - and you have a lot of good information to share with the guys here.
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No, i understandt why i like Elena, she have something in common with me ( in blue )

Hey Guys... no bad thinking... i have say "like" and not "love"...

Dan, i have learn know Elena via PM on these board... she have trust me and explain more about her ... myself, i have reveal a little about her because of some "attack" :X...

The first time, i have say she is married... after i have speak about her daughter... and really, it was a mistake to say it  ... now, she go maybe never trust me anymore :?...

In any case, it is his right to keep personal story only for her... we have several member on these forum and i know only some of them... the other are unknow to me... and it is not a problem for reply to post :cool:...

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even though I do not agree with your incorrect perspective on Ukrainians
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Yep, i agree... Ukrainian and Russian are from the same family, the Kiev-rus... but you know, brother and sister make always a lot of little fight but they love of each other...

[Elen]

No comments

[Bruce]

Well Elen - I am for you!  We will make sure only the highest class foreigner ever would approach your daughter, and thats only if you permit it.   Do not worry for one second, we (most of us anyway) are positive, kind hearted people happy to really help our friends.

[Elen]

Well boys, you see after reading all your (all of you ) "dating stories" I'm even far from idea of "foriegn son-in-law" than I've been at the begining of "epopee"

[Photo Guy]

I'm not planning on marraige. I'm here to have fun and I can find plenty of women who play without pay. Seeing the lifestyle that most guys I know half my age are living, I'd say that I'll be dancing on their graves.

 so are you sex tourist???
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Yes, he is dancing a lot and having fun. Yes, he is probably
a sex tourist!     -doug

[Fiorella]

Some of the guys on this board do not know your 'agenda' - your motivation for participating on the board. I personally LIKE having you and Fiorella and other RW posting on the board because I think it adds a perspective and a dimension that is extremely valuable.

But take for example Bruce, or jb, or Turboguy, or any of the other regular board participants - I *know* why they are here posting on the board.

I give you and Fiorella the benefit of the doubt, and I presume you are here to give the benefit of your advise and experience, and I hope you provide that in a manner that is productive and educational to everyone.

Others, however, are more suspicious - and I can understand their suspicions. Can you see why they might be suspicious - especially since they have asked you and Fiorella to make a small post to introduce yourselves and allow us to get to know you better, but you have been unwilling to do so?

I understand your reluctance to provide personal information that feel might be used by others to attack you - and that is a valid concern. Still, the impersonal nature of an internet discussion board sometime requires all of us to be a little more friendly - *if* we are truly intending to learn from each other.

Just my thoughts - and please stay on the board and offer your experiences and wisdoms.

- Dan

I didn't see anywhere here topics where someone introduced themselves. We russians, say : "Who will come to us with a sword, will die from the sword". I already get here harassment and abusive words, that I am that and this and run my rental business here (????) and I must to tell about my private life after that? 

On the same time I already can think that I have meet some nice men here to whom I don't mind to tell about me and my details but not in open board yet.

By the way, with some of you we already discussed on other forums.

 

[BC]

Fiorella,

There is a thread called "Greetings" at the following link:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/view_topic.php?id=59&forum_id=3

Many of us have introduced ourselves to this forum here.

[RacerX]

jb, I believe the link you provided is for ALL classes of visa?

K1s are but a tiny part of that work.

I believe only those with, for example, WAC, etc numbers are K visas (from the USA only) and not all of the interviews lead to visas - especially in Moscow. However, the 4000 or so K visas from the FSU represent an annual rate, and you assume that guys/girls are involved in the process typically for more than one year.

But the point is very well made - of the endless thousands of girls listed on all the MOB sites, only a fraction of them will immigrate to the USA.  The process is a very big deal for all of us on this board, but is nearly insignificant compared with total marriages in the US, immigration for other means, or for that matter, nearly any other measure.

[Bruce]

Fiorella, I do not like misinformation.  Therefore I apologize for incorrectly categorizing the lillavilla site as an apartment rental business.  It seems to be a mens scammer / dating advice website. 

So, I ask again what your agenda is?  Are you giving constructive advice to men seeking a wife from the former Soviet Union, or are you only here to disrupt, denigrate and take from, rather than contribute to threads on this board.