From Heaven to Hell... with a broken heart.

[CDW]

well, it is up to you, but most WM do pay for the plane tickets.
So did my husband-to-be on our first date. Actually he sent 4 times more than what was needed. He did it before we met. I was a single mom with 2 kids so couldn't afford it. It was somewhat $100 from Krasnodar to Moscow. He trusted, he had to)))

It is not the point.  She did not want to travel by train because it is too far for her!  I couldv'e paid for train fares, but she wanted air!!

I had to travel all the way from England  (some men had to from USA).    It shows she wasn't really interested in me!!  I wanted to make sure a lady is genuinely interested in me - never saw her in webcam though, so no pay tickets for her

[Gator]

Mikey,
 
One question.  How did you become successful if you can not comprehend the reality of this woman and continue to send her money, a fair amount of money?
 
For sure you have money to be able to pay for a holiday in Hong Kong for three people.  However, to give $2000 to a woman who you know is using you is an example of how many  people mismanage and lose their money. 
 
Frankly, it sounds like you inherited the money.  One generation makes money, the second generation spends it, and the third generation suffers.    Or maybe your are an IT geek who has hit it big but has not learned social skills.  I don't know but sending her $2000 is crazy.
 
Let me guess.  I imagine that when contacting RW you bragged about your personal wealth.  Don't do that.  That is a big "NO NO."   A green lure will attract  sharks. 
 
The mere fact that you have a secure job is enough for sincere, decent women.  There is no need to show photos of your home, car, etc.  Let your success and wealth be a pleasant surprise after you have spent much time with a woman and observe that she is attracted to you  emotionally.    You will know it.  RW will not leave you with any doubt.  FYI, what she says after you give her money does not count. 

[Gator]

It is not the point.  She did not want to travel by train because it is too far for her!  I couldv'e paid for train fares, but she wanted air!!

I had to travel all the way from England  (some men had to from USA).    It shows she wasn't really interested in me!!  I wanted to make sure a lady is genuinely interested in me - never saw her in webcam though, so no pay tickets for her

CDW, most women when I was dating would take long train or bus trips.  A couple traveled for over 24 hours.  But they decided to  do this after many conversations when we had cultivated a strong mutual interest.  I thought they were special and they thought the same of me, special enough that they would take the train.
 
If you were meeting only her, I agree that she should take the train.  But maybe you were meeting others?  Maybe you had not made her feel that she was special?

[Doll]

It is not the point.  She did not want to travel by train because it is too far for her!  I couldv'e paid for train fares, but she wanted air!!

I had to travel all the way from England  (some men had to from USA).    It shows she wasn't really interested in me!!  I wanted to make sure a lady is genuinely interested in me - never saw her in webcam though, so no pay tickets for her

I didn't want to travel by train either! J. came from the States! No webcameras at that time.
Most of AM do the same.
 

[CDW]

If you were meeting only her, I agree that she should take the train.  But maybe you were meeting others?  Maybe you had not made her feel that she was special?

Never went, but I was prepared to meet only her and the Plan 'B' was to attend the fashion show (2 tickets), and she works as dressmaker in her own business.  She was the one who had forgotten my birthday lol  She knew it when I told her 2 weeks before!! 

[CDW]

I didn't want to travel by train either! J. came from the States! No webcameras at that time.
Most of AM do the same.

Yes, it is also easy for potential scammers, asking for air fares.  That's why men shouldn't pay ladies air fares even before 1st meeting. 

[Shadow]

It is not the point.  She did not want to travel by train because it is too far for her!  I couldv'e paid for train fares, but she wanted air!!

So you put a price tag on the meeting.
Did someone ever tell you that being 'greedy' is not exactly a good thing in the FSU ?

Never went, but I was prepared to meet only her and the Plan 'B' was to attend the fashion show (2 tickets), and she works as dressmaker in her own business.  She was the one who had forgotten my birthday lol  She knew it when I told her 2 weeks before!! 

So by taking a plane she would probably lose 1 day less work in her business.

[CDW]

So you put a price tag on the meeting.
Did someone ever tell you that being 'greedy' is not exactly a good thing in the FSU ?
So by taking a plane she would probably lose 1 day less work in her business.

No, I would've paid her for her time off work.  I needed to prove she is genuine interests in me.  I am not paying her for an "interview"

Would you, if you were an owner for your business, pay air fare for someone for an interview?  Of course, not!  Unemployed people will have to pay their own way.  At least I help paying for the train fare, not 1st class taxi service!!

By helping air fares, you are giving potential scammers opportunities.

[Shadow]

No, I would've paid her for her time off work.  I needed to prove she is genuine interests in me.  I am not paying her for an "interview"

Would you, if you were an owner for your business, pay air fare for someone for an interview?  Of course, not!  Unemployed people will have to pay their own way.  At least I help paying for the train fare, not 1st class taxi service!!

By helping air fares, you are giving potential scammers opportunities.

Do you wish to compare the search of a life partner to a business interview ?
Do you have a job description?

A scammer does not mind if she gets $200 or $500 from you, she will not have any expenses anyway.

[Gator]

CDW, your profile says you are committed.  What hoops did this woman have to jump through other than pay for her train ride to meet you?

[mikeyUSA]

Guys...  cool it with the trains /planes!!!    And let me ask you a question...   How do you get off of Kamchatka Peninsula?  The only way, is by air (or boat).  Also, even if you could get off by train, how long would it take a train to go from the very eastern coast of Russia, to the very western edge of Russia?  A couple weeks?   

Also, it is $1700, not $2000.

[Doll]

Guys...  cool it with the trains /planes!!!    And let me ask you a question...   How do you get off of Kamchatka Peninsula?  The only way, is by air (or boat).  Also, even if you could get off by train, how long would it take a train to go from the very eastern coast of Russia, to the very western edge of Russia?  A couple weeks?   

Also, it is $1700, not $2000.

Plane only.

[Doll]

CDW, your profile says you are committed.  What hoops did this woman have to jump through other than pay for her train ride to meet you?

It says he made 4-10 trips))))))

[mikeyUSA]

Mikey,
 
One question.  How did you become successful if you can not comprehend the reality of this woman and continue to send her money, a fair amount of money?
 
For sure you have money to be able to pay for a holiday in Hong Kong for three people.  However, to give $2000 to a woman who you know is using you is an example of how many  people mismanage and lose their money. 
 
Frankly, it sounds like you inherited the money.  One generation makes money, the second generation spends it, and the third generation suffers.    Or maybe your are an IT geek who has hit it big but has not learned social skills.  I don't know but sending her $2000 is crazy.
 
Let me guess.  I imagine that when contacting RW you bragged about your personal wealth.  Don't do that.  That is a big "NO NO."   A green lure will attract  sharks. 
 
The mere fact that you have a secure job is enough for sincere, decent women.  There is no need to show photos of your home, car, etc.  Let your success and wealth be a pleasant surprise after you have spent much time with a woman and observe that she is attracted to you  emotionally.    You will know it.  RW will not leave you with any doubt.  FYI, what she says after you give her money does not count.

Lots of assumptions and accusations...     I am educated, with a career.  Sure, my job pays well.   Plus, I've never married, no children, so, money tends to accumulate that way.
No, I never "bragged" about my personal wealth.  That's just calling me a douche. I don't appreciate that.

[Shadow]

Guys...  cool it with the trains /planes!!!    And let me ask you a question...   How do you get off of Kamchatka Peninsula?  The only way, is by air (or boat).  Also, even if you could get off by train, how long would it take a train to go from the very eastern coast of Russia, to the very western edge of Russia?  A couple weeks?   

Also, it is $1700, not $2000.

Boat or air, other ways are pretty impossible.
As for a train ride, it will take about a week.

Which would make daily home-work travel a pretty interesting subject...

[Gator]

Guys...  cool it with the trains /planes!!!    And let me ask you a question...   How do you get off of Kamchatka Peninsula?

Kamchatka ........ Mamachatka.  The place does not matter.  $1700.......... $100.  The amount does not matter. 
What matters is your relationship.  Once she decided that she did not want a future with you, your relationship officially terminated.    You were no longer emotionally involved.  At that point her travel problem became her problem, not yours.   
She sees you only as an easy mark for money.  When she writes you about her sick daughter needing special medical treatment, what will be your answer?

[Hammer2722]

Planes/Trains... Who cares at this point. The fact that you sent any money to this woman after returning home with a not so great feeling about the your relationship to this woman tells me you still have some reading and learning to do about courting FSU women. Time to write this one off and dedicate yourself to understanding this endeavor a little more. Should you decide to continue looking for an FSU bride, make sure your ready for it by hanging around here and educating yourself.

[Gator]

No, I never "bragged" about my personal wealth.  That's just calling me a douche. I don't appreciate that.

I would never call you a "shower" (Russian translation joke).   The correct expression is douchebag, not douche.  Douchebag would not be used to desccribe an inept romantic.

[mikeyUSA]

Planes/Trains... Who cares at this point. The fact that you sent any money to this woman after returning home with a not so great feeling about the your relationship to this woman tells me you still have some reading and learning to do about courting FSU women. Time to write this one off and dedicate yourself to understanding this endeavor a little more. Should you decide to continue looking for an FSU bride, make sure your ready for it by hanging around here and educating yourself.

Yep.  Of course.  I think I got it. Ok. Thank you. Say no more. I understand. Good. 

[mendeleyev]

Mikey, Kamchatka?

Doll is right. Wow, that is a long way for a Russian bride, way out of the way. Most Western men have never been to such a beautiful part of the world. It is also the first time I've heard of a man contacting a lady there for dating/marriage.

Mikey, there are not a lot of cities in the Kamchatka region as only 400,000 live in this large region of volcanoes and frequent mud slides. Half of those people live in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, the only city of significant size and it holds the distinction of being one of the most isolated cities in the world. It is not even accessible by road. There are smaller towns but few and far between. This is one of the most interesting spots on the globe and populated in great numbers by scientists and researchers.

The happiness you saw from her at first was likely gratitude for the vacation she was ready to enjoy, compliments of the wealthy Westerner. Of course she was going to allow you to bed her a couple of times, after all you had been so generous in providing this once-in-a-lifetime vacation for she and her child and you deserved something for all you'd spent. But the vacation is over and she is still looking, unfortunately not for the man who treated her so generously.

Next time please save the honeymoon until after the wedding.

I wish you healing and success. 

[Daveman]

Yep.  Of course.  I think I got it. Ok. Thank you. Say no more. I understand. Good. 

Heh... tired of the slapping???  Here's one more idea... let's rename the system after you!


Damn, he got mikeyed out of $1700.  She's a real miker!  At least she didn't pull the old visa mikey on him.


We can even change a whole section here:


"Mikers and Suspect Agencies"




It's actually good that you're becoming fired up angry.  It may be at us at the moment, but it'll soon turn to where it needs be directed... just remember, when you get to the level Pissoffus Maximus, repeat over and over "Never again will I waste my time with a woman who does not reciprocate"


Ahhhhhh... 

[Doll]

Dave, do we make "to mikey" a regular or irregular verb? Just to make sure I know all the forms

[Patagonie]

Hi Mikey, spend time with us and use your time to read many things. The forum can be harsh but don't give up. Your education is just beginning. You have SO many things to learn.

[Doll]

Your education is just beginning.

Yeah, and it is a threat

[mikeyUSA]

No no no.. I'm not mad at you guys at all.  I'm just mad that I got "mikey-ed" out of such things..       (actually, the only thing I don't like, is when people start assuming I'm stupid and I 'surely' inherited my wealth.  I must be a douche and waved my money at her.  those kind of things.)  but no, not mad at you guys in the slightest bit.

I will tell you this though... I am getting more mad at her than sad.   but, before I tell you why, I will say that she actually lived in other towns for a while.  She lived in irkutsk and also krasnoyark for a time.  Plus, she is an only child.

So, this is why I'm getting angry.  She just got out of a 3 year relationship that really broke her heart.  She's only moved back 'home' for 3-4 months before I met her.  I dont think it's enough time to get over someone so fast, So, maybe I'm her 'rebound'.  I will tell you that she's an only child, and I noticed that she is a very selfish person.  She took photos of herself the ENTIRE FREAKING TIME. It was weird.  She even told me, "I want to post them online so my friends will tell me I'm sexy".  Yes, she's selfish.      Probably thinking, "I'm going to take this trip and get all this attention, and rebound".

Now, if you go on a date, and it's a 'bad' date... when you get home, of course your going to get back online.  But, if it's a good date, you don't, otherwise, that would be very disrespectful and evil.  But, if it was just an 'okay' date, then, you at least freaking owe a guy a 'yes, no, maybe'.,...   you do NOT string someone along for weeks and weeks, without expecting him to get a little upset.    Is it wrong of me to expect some kind of answer from her????  Is it?  She had me on the back burner as a 'potential' challenger.  She did not want to play her cards, so she just strung me alone.

She wants to get out of Kamchatka, but like you guys said, shes liking the attention, and the international dating scene.    Pisses me off the more I think of it.

less sad, more mad.