From Heaven to Hell... with a broken heart.

[mikeyUSA]

Can I just say that a single RWs life (esp un-employed and with a mouth to feed) does not necessary rotates around MOB dating life. She might have went for the  interview and we have no idea where and how she met this man. We don't really know, it's all his speculations.


Personally I think she used the last weapon available to get rid of a man - take him for an expensive shopping/ask for money. Agree it was not very pretty asking him for money. However having made my opinion about Mikey reading this thread - I can only imagine how "enjoyable" this whole experience was for her - think what you want of me - these $$$ were well and truly deserved.

I agree.  You are truly correct.  My stupidness, it is only deserved, but, I am a lot wiser now.  Now more "He got mikeyed".  Lol.

[Hammer2722]

To clarify, at 3 weeks after our trip, she asks for money for a trip for a 'job oppurutnity'.  This was ? 2 weeks ago?.   No, I have not given her anything else since. In fact, I have not even spoken to her in the last 1.5 weeks.

I just find it so hard to understand how you could have sent her money knowing that your trip did not end the way you wanted. She gave you all of the signals telling you to slow down during your trip. Then she asks you for money. Your answer should have been no since she is the one wanting to keep you at arms length. Therefore, I don't believe she scammed you. You ignored all the red and yellow flags and put yourself in that situation.
 
Now you just need to walk away from this and forget about all of it. I did exactly the same thing you did when I was taken by a pro-dater. I followed her profile and started looking for her everywhere. Not healthy for you at all. Just move on already.....

[mikeyUSA]

no slap needed. you are doing just fine at it.


you fell in love with an image of *some* woman, not a specific woman,
and the first one that showed even slight interest you plugged into your dream/fantasy.
she ultimately dint live up to the unrealistic expectation. no one could have.
it isnt her fault,  its yours.
I fell in love with the thought of a RW before I even met a RW.  I like the "Family first".  Yes, I had a fantasy.  In fact, she told me, "Michael, do not have feelings for me, you know that such fary tales do not always come true".  But, I did believe in the fantasy. I ignored it.

The money was all you as well, you had no solid relationship, by any stretch of the imagination and sent her money? if she lived in Miami,Dallas,  LA or NYC would you have done that?
if so- why?
Stupid. I was hoping that if I didn't send her money, that she would see that I didn't 'care', and she would dump me.  Yes Stupid


what she did with the money is irrelevant considering you had no relationship.
Money you give to acquaintances ..what do you expect them to use it for? you cant give
 and have strings attached?


why did you even look at her profile?
she clearly told you it was over and to leave her alone.
Because with any person with a broken heart, they will do crazy things.  Of course, you can understand.


you keep saying you have moved on and by every action you havnt at all.
dude get over her, it was a fling, it means nothing to her, and should mean nothing to you.
why you are even wanting closure is beyond me. its like you are intentionally trying t find something t be mad about so *you* can end it ,instead of her blowing you off?


Just forget it, and her.
It aint that hard,you are the only one making it that way.

I can't remember the movie, but it was someone getting a spanking, and they say "Thank you, can I please have another".   So, yes, I need slapping.

[mikeyUSA]

I just find it so hard to understand how you could have sent her money knowing that your trip did not end the way you wanted. She gave you all of the signals telling you to slow down during your trip. Then she asks you for money. Your answer should have been no since she is the one wanting to keep you at arms length. Therefore, I don't believe she scammed you. You ignored all the red and yellow flags and put yourself in that situation.
 
Now you just need to walk away from this and forget about all of it. I did exactly the same thing you did when I was taken by a pro-dater. I followed her profile and started looking for her everywhere. Not healthy for you at all. Just move on already.....

Actually, it did end well, it was only when I got back, when the problems starts.  Sure, I started 'rationalizing', like saying 'she was PMS ing'.  And, again, when she got back, her whole thought was, 'michael, the way to love, in russia is slow, gradual path'.  So, I kept hoping that something was going to happen....  eventually.   But it was kept 'sideways'.  No moving forward, or back, it was only a 'maybe'. 

[Ranetka]

I agree.  You are truly correct.  My stupidness, it is only deserved, but, I am a lot wiser now.  Now more "He got mikeyed".  Lol.

Mike, please stop beating your self up, it's not healthy.


You have been unreasonable, learn from it.


It's not last $2000 and it's not the last woman.


Learn, move on, be a better person, be better to yourself and others.

[Hammer2722]

Mike, please stop beating your self up, it's not healthy.


You have been unreasonable, learn from it.


It's not last $2000 and it's not the last woman.


Learn, move on, be a better person, be better to yourself and others.

Most definitely agree with this and to add to this: stay away from this woman and any of her profiles online cause now you are just stalking!!!

[Ranetka]

...Advise I am giving to all single men who are struggling to find a partner - take on partners dancing. Especially social ones like west coast swing, hustle, salsa, Argentine tango. (ohhh tanguerooooooos)[size=78%] You will meet many people, single women outnumber single men there. [/size] [size=78%] Women will fight for you, it's a nature of the thing. Trust me, I'v been dancing for three years.[/size]

[Daveman]

Hi guys, I know I said I would not view her profile, but I did, and Im sorry.  Here is what she just posted on her profile.

Karembeu ... I fall in love.

Вот бывает, встретишь человека и чувствуешь – это тот, кого ты искал всю свою жизнь. А ему покер, он за хлебом идет.)) ахах
(translation: That's the case, find someone and feel - is the one you been looking for all my life. And he's poker, the bread is.)) Ahah).

..............  So basically,  I just paid to fly this women to another city to meet another guy. She freaking scammed me.  She met him, fell in love, and freaking scammed me.   Freaking scammed me.   I am sooo very angry with her right now for scamming me.

She's not innocent. Not by a long shot. However, Mikey, face the cold hard truth - you are angry at the wrong person.  YOU are the one who sent the money after listening to her 90 minute infomercial. YOU are the one who had doubts about it.  You scammed yourself. Think about it...

[ML]

She's not innocent. Not by a long shot. However, Mikey, face the cold hard truth - you are angry at the wrong person.  YOU are the one who sent the money after listening to her 90 minute infomercial. YOU are the one who had doubts about it.  You scammed yourself. Think about it...

Dave, sorry but you are simply feeding the future scammers.

She scammed him big time.
He only let himself be scammed.

We beat up here all the time on those who let themselves be scammed.
And, these men do make it very difficult for those who follow.

But we should not lose sight of the fact that real scammers exist and practice their trade every day.  These real scammers can be first timers who don't even know the word (perhaps the woman in question), or they can be long time scammers;  but they are the ones who scam; not the victims.

[Daveman]

Dave, sorry but you are simply feeding the future scammers.

She scammed him big time.
He only let himself be scammed.

We beat up here all the time on those who let themselves be scammed.
And, these men do make it very difficult for those who follow.

But we should not lose sight of the fact that real scammers exist and practice their trade every day.  These real scammers can be first timers who don't even know the word (perhaps the woman in question), or they can be long time scammers;  but they are the ones who scam; not the victims.

Here we somewhat disagree... he's the one who took the action, even after her weird behavior AND his gut telling him something is amiss. 


A victim is someone who falls into some kind of trap. We don't have that here. We have a man who KNEW something was/is wrong here and went ahead and sent money anyway, in hopes of winning her favor with his wallet. 


As I said, she's not innocent, but I just don't see Mikey as a victim in this.

[Muzh]

Dave, sorry but you are simply feeding the future scammers.

She scammed him big time.
He only let himself be scammed.

We beat up here all the time on those who let themselves be scammed.
And, these men do make it very difficult for those who follow.

But we should not lose sight of the fact that real scammers exist and practice their trade every day.  These real scammers can be first timers who don't even know the word (perhaps the woman in question), or they can be long time scammers;  but they are the ones who scam; not the victims.

My 10 yo was asking about his older brother who is in boot camp. He asked if he would wear a uniform when he came back. I said yes. Would he then be a soldier? I said yes.

Then he says to me, If people would not become soldiers, there would be no army and if there is no army there are no wars.

Can't argue with that logic.

[Shadow]

Dave, sorry but you are simply feeding the future scammers.

She scammed him big time.
He only let himself be scammed.

We beat up here all the time on those who let themselves be scammed.
And, these men do make it very difficult for those who follow.

But we should not lose sight of the fact that real scammers exist and practice their trade every day.  These real scammers can be first timers who don't even know the word (perhaps the woman in question), or they can be long time scammers;  but they are the ones who scam; not the victims.

She did not scam him. she justt raised the price for services rendered.

[Faux Pas]

Dave, sorry but you are simply feeding the future scammers.

She scammed him big time.
He only let himself be scammed.

We beat up here all the time on those who let themselves be scammed.
And, these men do make it very difficult for those who follow.

But we should not lose sight of the fact that real scammers exist and practice their trade every day.  These real scammers can be first timers who don't even know the word (perhaps the woman in question), or they can be long time scammers;  but they are the ones who scam; not the victims.

I'd disagree with that too. She made the trip, spent time with mikey and even gave him a rub and a tug or two. He received the opportunity he sought. Where is the scam?

[mikeyUSA]

I'd disagree with that too. She made the trip, spent time with mikey and even gave him a rub and a tug or two. He received the opportunity he sought. Where is the scam?

The scam, is where, she knew it was over.. didn't want anything more... then lied to me, and scammed me for a plane ticket to meet this other man.
Think about it.   If it is over.. then it is over.  Why would you contact a man again, to go see another lover... to get help to see your future lover?  In america, it's called scamming.  in america, when it is 'over', then is it over, and nothing more should be involved.  Not, "hey, can you help me to meet my next boyfriend".

[Shadow]

The scam, is where, she knew it was over.. didn't want anything more... then lied to me, and scammed me for a plan ticket to meet this other man.
Think about it.   If it is over.. then it is over.  Why would you contact a man again, to go see another lover... to get help to see your future lover?  In america, it's called scamming.  in america, when it is 'over', then is it over, and nothing more should be involved.  Not, "hey, can you help me to meet my next boyfriend".

Who was not accepting that it was over, her or you ?
Who sent money while she had already told you there was no love ?
Americans are said to be generous, and obviously you have no problem with money. In Russia when needed, people ask friends to help out. If they do, there is nothing to expect except gratitude.

[mikeyUSA]

Who was not accepting that it was over, her or you ?
Who sent money while she had already told you there was no love ?
Americans are said to be generous, and obviously you have no problem with money. In Russia when needed, people ask friends to help out. If they do, there is nothing to expect except gratitude.

 I will tell you, that I had a long talk with my brother last night.  He told me, "Michael, women in russia, they will never ASk for money, but they will sell this 'infomercail', and wait for you to offer the help".   And that is just what I did.  She talked for 90 minutes about this job oppurtunity, and just when I offered to "help", she started acting like she was figuring the numbers in her head, but right after her act, she said very quickly in very good english "About 2 thousand dollars".   

What he said made sense to me.  She pitched an infomercial, waiting for the "sale", and then said goodbye.   As soon as I said I would give it to her, she said "Ok, I need to make dinner, goodbye, good talking to  you".   

So, she made a "sale".  He also told me, "Mike, she was going to stay online for as long as she needed to make this "sale"...    and you bought into it".


Yes, stupid, creepy, and dumb michael.

[Shadow]

I guess your brother is married for some time.

[Faux Pas]

I will tell you, that I had a long talk with my brother last night.  He told me, "Michael, women in russia, they will never ASk for money, but they will sell this 'infomercail', and wait for you to offer the help".   And that is just what I did.  She talked for 90 minutes about this job oppurtunity, and just when I offered to "help", she started acting like she was figuring the numbers in her head, but right after her act, she said very quickly in very good english "About 2 thousand dollars".   

What he said made sense to me.  She pitched an infomercial, waiting for the "sale", and then said goodbye.   As soon as I said I would give it to her, she said "Ok, I need to make dinner, goodbye, good talking to  you".   

So, she made a "sale".  He also told me, "Mike, she was going to stay online for as long as she needed to make this "sale"...    and you bought into it".


Yes, stupid, creepy, and dumb michael.

mikey,
After a goodbye like that, why on earth would you send it. Then, whine about it and call her a scam. She asked, you sent. There was no scam that I can see. She lied maybe, scammed? No.

Stupidity on your part doesn't constitute a scam on her part IMHO

[mikeyUSA]

i am still very upset. 

[Gylden]

It is good that you are still upset, maybe the lesson will last longer that way!
 

[mikeyUSA]

It is good that you are still upset, maybe the lesson will last longer that way!
 

I have actually developed my own saying, "it is the lessons you learn the hardest, that stick the best".

[Gator]

Mikey,
 
Although you blunder with  Russian women, I really enjoy your Russian translation.    "His poker goes for the bread' is priceless.   

[CDW]

What's wrong with many of you... SHE IS A SCAMMER - FULL STOP!

Not only she is a scammer, but also a VACATION WHORE! 

FREE HOLIDAY
FREE FLIGHT
FREE FOOD
FREE NEW BOYFRIEND!

[Vaughn]

FREE HOLIDAY
FREE FLIGHT
FREE FOOD
FREE NEW BOYFRIEND!

 
  ... all with a most willing supplier.
 
   mikey would be taking issue with the term Vacation Whore had things gone smoothly. They didn't, and so vultures circle.

[Vasilisa]

What's wrong with many of you... SHE IS A SCAMMER - FULL STOP!

Not only she is a scammer, but also a VACATION WHORE! 

FREE HOLIDAY
FREE FLIGHT
FREE FOOD
FREE NEW BOYFRIEND!

I disagree. He hasn't paid to her yet.
 
Here is the diary of Escort girl, she is traveling to different countries for free AND being paid for that.
http://im-bad-girl.livejournal.com/

I think it's $1000 per a vacation+mentioned by CDW above