Some help,opinions,feedback wanted

[lonedrake]

 Hi all. Here is a little background how I am here. One night after another disappointing date from plenty of fish I decided I should expand my search. Never put much thought into looking even outside MN.

 Anyways...signed up on Russianbrides. The next day tons of messages. But the only way to reply was to pay and on top of that it was clear the messages were bs.

 So I looked around and found this site. I have been reading a bunch and now am very interested in actually makeing the plunge to try and find a FSU woman.

 So I signed up and paid over at allsinglerussiangirls. First question is......Does that site have a decent reputation?

 It also seems to good to be true...in a sense. I put a a profile that is basically pretty lame and just one photo that isn't all that great. So I text some of them and have been talking to three or four once a day. None seem like scammers at all. I did avoid the most beautiful women or the one with tons of glamour shots and  to many bikini shots. I am pretty simple and not really into high fashion...at all.

 Are there really that many women over there that cannot find an acceptable man?
 What percentage of the women would actually move to the US?

 Should I try and learn some Russian and where/how?

 What is skype?

 Basically I am just wondering if I am on the right track........or I should jump ship and chase other dreams.
 

[Slumba]

I have signed up at ASR.  I have had few to no spammers, much less than on other sites.

If you are under 30, great.  If you are over say 35, most here will suggest 25+ as the age to look at.

Skype is a wonderful program that runs on Windows, Mac, and even iPhone and some Android phones. 

It allows for completely FREE text chat and audio and video chat between any 2 Skype users, anywhere in the world.  If you pay extra you can do things that the free part does not allow, such as call regular phones, have a 3-way video conference, etc.  But the FREE parts are all you need!

If you are not super computer savvy, have the 14 year old neighbor kid set it up for you and test the audio and video pieces, so that you know they are working properly.

[Slumba]

Also, welcome to the site!

[Eduard]

Hi, welcome to the forum.
You should probably know that unless you have the minimum of about $20K sitting around you shouldn't even entertain the idea of a Russian wife. Most likely it will cost more than that by the time all said and done.
Ed

[Manny]

You should probably know that unless you have the minimum of about $20K sitting around you shouldn't even entertain the idea of a Russian wife. Most likely it will cost more than that by the time all said and done.

Quite possibly way more too.


You should probably do a lot more reading before going much further Lonedrake.

[Noch1]

Will he need that, right now? Before his first trip?
Or that much for his first trip?
 

[Shadow]

Hi Lonedrake. While I would agree it would be good to have some financial reserves, I always am wary of the price tags commercial members throw around.

What you need is:
- A good idea of who you are and what you want
- Plenty of free time
- Being financially secure in a way that you can maintain a family and travel a couple of times a year
- Enjoy international experiences and culture

Now for the questions:

Are there really that many women over there that cannot find an acceptable man?

Russia has 145 million people, of which there may be 20 million in the demographic you are looking for. If 0,1% would not be able to find an acceptable man, that leaves 20.000 candidates.

What percentage of the women would actually move to the US?

That solely depends on the options given to them.
For a life in Hollywood style 100%.

Should I try and learn some Russian and where/how?

If you are serious try the rosetta stone for a first impression. But better limit yourself to women who can write in English.

What is skype?

A computer program for conversation. Install it to have direct contact.

Now we get the questions for you:
- Are you able and willing to travel ?
- Do you look slightly better as Bigfoot ?
- Do you have the patience, money and time to bring someone in to the US and get them settled?

[GoodOlBoy]

Now we get the questions for you:
- Are you able and willing to travel ?
- Do you look slightly better as Bigfoot ?
- Do you have the patience, money and time to bring someone in to the US and get them settled?

Damn, I'm glad nobody asked me this on RWG back in 2004.
Oh well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad, I guess. 
 
GOB

[lonedrake]

 Thanks. I am taking this serious and do have patience. I am 44 and do work a lot but will be ending my spring guiding business after this spring. So starting in 2013 I will be free for at least three months each year.

 I have no bills and am good with finances. 20k sounds ok considering flights time over there etc. 

 I have been looking in the age range on 32-42....but do seem to gravite to those around 35.

 Am I able and willing to travel? I think I am....but I have never been overseas so it could be more or less difficult than I think. It does seem intimidating.

 As far as my looks? Middle of the road, but I am physically fit and healthy.  Here is how I see it. I am more attractive in person than online....for whatever reason.

Who knows if I have it in me to do all thats needed. I think I do ,but you never know unless you actually do it. If I spend 5,000 on a trip over than and find out its not for me...at least I will have been on an adventure and know.

The more I think about it the more I want to go. I do need to get with the times as far as my computer skills go.

[Noch1]

Depending on a few things, the cost of one trip depends on a few factors.
Where you live / where you are going.
Hotel or apartment.
If girl speaks English or you need a translator.
Of course what and how many excursions.
How you prefer to eat, all meals in restaurants
or some in apartment. Also how fancy of restaurants you prefer.
I have done 2 weeks at 3500 including flights and
spent 5000 in 2 weeks.
Depending on flights and city, can make big difference in costs!

[GoodOlBoy]

Who knows if I have it in me to do all thats needed. I think I do ,but you never know unless you actually do it. If I spend 5,000 on a trip over than and find out its not for me...at least I will have been on an adventure and know.

Good attitude to have LD!

  Am I able and willing to travel? I think I am....but I have never been overseas so it could be more or less difficult than I think. It does seem intimidating.

Take this thing one step at a time and go get your passport.
 
BE SURE TO READ THE RWD 10 COMMANDMENTS!

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=34
 
GOB
 

[Turboguy]

Will he need that, right now? Before his first trip?
Or that much for his first trip?
 

I would say that typically a trip there costs about 5 grand.  It would depend a little on where he is traveling from and where he is going and if he can get an apartment at a reasonable rate.  (Apartments are a much better way to go than hotels)  It would be possible to do it as cheap as 3 grand a trip but that is minimum. 


To do it right it takes more than one trip.  Even meeting the right woman may take more than one trip.  I probably made 25 trips during my search but that is an extreme.   Once you do meet the right woman it is best to visit here several times preferably before popping the question but while you are waiting for the visa as well.    A few guys have done it for 10 grand, 20 grand is realistic.  I was probably into 6 figures.


Noch posted while I was typing this and said about the same thing.

[ML]

So I signed up and paid over at allsinglerussiangirls. First question is......Does that site have a decent reputation?

Yes, I can recommend ASRG.  I corresponded with and met several good women who were on that site.

There are several more like it that I recommend.  See "Pursuing FSUW 101" at the top of this Starting Out section.

$5,000 is a good roundball figure for a 2-4 week trip to FSU; all depending on how well you plan, avoiding gold diggers, pro-daters, expensive interpreters, and getting a good deal on apartment rentals.

[Turboguy]

You just need to keep in mind when she asks for a $ 400.00 pair of shoes on the first or second day you have seen her that just because she took off work or whatever to see you doesn't mean you owe her a pair of shoes.   No can be a very useful word when searching for the right woman to marry.

[Eduard]

I should probably clarify that you'll only spend 20K if you get very lucky and do everything Right and meet the right woman for you right away and are able to avoid scam, prodaters, women with ulterior motives, etc., etc. From what I understand most guys spend between 30 and 50K on this venture and only a small percentage of them actually find a good woman and get marred after the money is spent. Majority of men make several trips, spend several years searching and are still single...

[Shadow]

The majority of men never make a trip at all, and spend a couple of $100 on talking to their fantasy.

Right after that comes the group that makes a single trip and finds out that the FSU is not a miracle cure for their problems, usually the hard way.

Then there are the guys who spend huge amounts of money on job interviews with as many candidates as possible, sometimes assisted by professional (brides)headhunters.

What is left are sex tourists, guys with too much funds to mind their spending and finally a select few who actually were looking to find a life partner.
Those last few are the ones who got married.

[Noch1]

Biggest thing is to read, read read and read some more.
All types of threads here and trip reports.
then when you have done that ask many, many questions.
It will help you in many ways, not just with the money!

[lonedrake]

 I appreciate the advice. I have been reading on here....a lot. Some of the trip reports are very interesting to say the least.  I was readinf MLs Ukraine women thread two days ago.....but never finished. Last I know his gal was learning to drive and no bread in his house caused an uproar everywhere....except his house.

 One thing I learned from that thread is that many of the members have been here a long time and are passionate about helping others out.....or pointing out their flaws The short time I have been reading on here has shown me that I can get great advice and support. You can't just find that everywhe

 My first trip would only be 7-10 days. Meet maybe 3-4 women and make a decision if I should continue. Try to keep it as fun as possible with an open mind.

[Vaughn]

Meet maybe 3-4 women and make a decision if I should continue.

 
Just don't plan to meet all of them at the same place, or worse - at the same time.   
 
Keep reading, and welcome.

[Noch1]

 
Just don't plan to meet all of them at the same place, or worse - at the same time.   
 
Keep reading, and welcome.

Hmmm Same time could be interesting, anyone every try it and Lived?
One hell of a trip report

[I/O]

Just don't plan to meet all of them at the same place, or worse - at the same time.

Why not? He'd find out what RW's are really like (in about a nano second) and it wouldn't cost 20 grand. 

[Noch1]

Why not? He'd find out what RW's are really like (in about a nano second) and it wouldn't cost 20 grand.

True, should take wing man for video, as he might not make it back to post TR

[Eduard]

 My first trip would only be 7-10 days. Meet maybe 3-4 women and make a decision if I should continue. Try to keep it as fun as possible with an open mind.

It's a good plan providing you get to know the women really well before making the trip. We've done it many times with different men and it always works. Just make sure you can communicate with them without any misunderstandings and you'll do quite well.

[Patagonie]

It's a good plan providing you get to know the women really well before making the trip. We've done it many times with different men and it always works. Just make sure you can communicate with them without any misunderstandings and you'll do quite well.

I would advice as you will be alone and not with a "coach" who is organizing to avoid to know each women really well.

There are two mains problems to know too much women before the trip:

1/ praticals reasons of organization : they will not want to deal with the fact that you are seing many : it will be a constant source of problems, you can potentially loose some ladies. If you spend a lot of time with each of them it is legitim that they wait you to visit her and only her. I imagine Vaughn 's post  is relative to this issue.

2/ In the same logic, the guy who spends too much time begins for certain to focus all his feelings on A woman, abandonning the others (even if he keeps in touch with her for a backup) practically. Of course everybody have his listing. But the true reality of dating shows that is unlikely that the ones you have preselected are among the one you will want to know better.

Why ? You are more attracted by what a woman to be rather than what she says. Communication is 6% of sense (verbal meaning), 37 % of voice intonation and the rest in boby language.  If you have filtered a little before and sorting by some questions during the last four of five previous mails it will be enough. Remember : what is saying is not really worthy, actions mean more than bla bla. And also remember that many things  which are not said are NOT SAID (do you think she will tell you if she is a freakin control woman, alcooholic ?). You need to SPEND REAL TIME with her to discover the tricks. An interpreter can be necessary if her level of english is too low (and also they can filter prodater and detect disorders personality if you have a good relationship with the terp). But a terp is also a pain in the ass, a couple is not a trio and you need to be alone ASAP with the girl.

Considers that if a guy is investing too much feelings and the woman doesn't like him (or she isn't the one he expects). He will have to erase ALL this feelings before being really available  to hook on an other one (morny principle).

For many guys, because they invest feelings in proportion of time spent in the rapport, being too much involved is finally counterproductive. The meeting is the MAIN clue in a relationship, exactly like you do locally. You meet a women, she and you, are attracted and so something can start potentially.
Women call it chemistry. Which is perfectly exact.
Men are inclined to think that they have chemistry PRIOR the meeting because they have communicated for a long time. NO. they have just  etablish a high level of COMFORT, this is not chemistry. COMFORT in case of chemistry heads you very quickly towards an intimate relationship because you are like "acquainted with the other", but it is not chemistry. Chemistry can only happen for real.
 

[Belvis]

Why not? He'd find out what RW's are really like (in about a nano second) and it wouldn't cost 20 grand.

Yea, but he should have a good health insurance with  coverage of all conceivable surgical procedures. Though it costs certainly cheaper than 20 grands.