The truth about Odessa and Lugansk!?

[ghost of moon goddess]

There is NO difference.

No difference between Pretty Intelligent Tender Angel ( PITA ) and TDOS ? 

[Marian]

Have to handle all your shortcuts/codes here.Is there a Thread where I can read what all this means like "PITA or TDOS" and all those other´s I have read here?
Because this is definitly for  Insiders 

[ghost of moon goddess]

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/mwiki/index.php/RWD_Glossary

P.S.
TDOS - terrible drain on strength 

[Marian]

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/mwiki/index.php/RWD_Glossary

P.S.
TDOS - terrible drain on strength 

Lol..cant belive my eyes..there really exist one 


Ty GOMG

[Doll]

No difference between Pretty Intelligent Tender Angel ( PITA ) and TDOS ? 

None

[I/O]

a port city..............The women of Odessa have had a long time, indeed a very long time, to hone their skills of separating sailors from their money.

This was precisely my take on Odessa within about an hour. Nice place to visit but when it comes to chasing serious skirt - caveat emptor.

[Gator]

My point being thus:  The women of Odessa have had a long time, indeed a very long time, to hone their skills of separating sailors from their money. While there are decent ladies there, the problem is for a bride seeker who is naive of the language and culture to try and not be taken just like the sailors have been for hundreds upon hundreds of years.

And many a "fine girl" of Odessa, such as Brandy,  have had their hearts broken by those sailors and business travelers. 
 


 
 
 
So even the decent ladies may be jaded, or simply skeptic of men's motives. 
 
If you have not found a compelling woman, I suggest that a man select cities which are pleasant to visit.    Lugansk is not such a city.    If you find Ms. Right, you will probably be making several visits to her city over your life.

[Noch1]

Here I was thought find the women, then travel to the city.

Your saying find the city, then go looking for the women?

[Gator]

Here I was thought find the women, then travel to the city.

Your saying find the city, then go looking for the women?

Write many women.  Unless one woman is compelling, I suggest that you select women to visit who live in pleasant places to visit.
I had plenty of time, so on my first trip I made a point to visit the best cities for sightseeing.  For 30 days in the summer of 2002 I went to Kiev, Yalta, St. Pete and Moscow.   I enjoy travel, and in each of those cities  I met some pretty women who were interested in showing me their city and in getting to know how we related.

[ML]

Here I was thought find the women, then travel to the city.

The  wrong approach.

You will find a hundred women in a hundred different cities.

Most of your time in the country will be spent traveling between cities.

As others have said:   Choose a city that you wouldn't mind returning to many times over your life and life of your gal.

Then find women in that city.

[Eduard]

There is no difference between RW and UW. We FSU women are thought to be such a PITA  and  terrible drain on strength

May I ask you a personal question? Why are you considering finding a woman outside Austria?

I was 19 yo when I escaped the USSR and the first place outside the USSR I found myself at was Vienna, Austria. I remember 3 things that were going through my head at the time:
1. It is so clean here! You won't even see a cigarette butt laying on a sidewalk!
2. beautiful royal palace
3. Where the funk are all the girls?!?!?!?!??!! The difference was that striking after leaving Moscow...

[Noch1]

The  wrong approach.

You will find a hundred women in a hundred different cities.

Most of your time in the country will be spent traveling between cities.

As others have said:   Choose a city that you wouldn't mind returning to many times over your life and life of your gal.

Then find women in that city.

I guess we can agree to disagree. I prefer to find the women, regardless of the city.
But As I am not looking this, is only good info for others who read it.

[calmissile]

I guess we can agree to disagree. I prefer to find the women, regardless of the city.
But As I am not looking this, is only good info for others who read it.

I think he was just trying to give you a tip on what might make your life easier.  With tens of thousands of women available in Ukraine,  there are a few things that you might want to consider to make your life easier.\

I traveled  the villages extensively as well as spent time in the larger cities.  You can read my TR if you like and might get a feel for the differences.  Pay attention to the transportation problems and the taxi ride accross the country.   
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11879.0

Here are some generalities you might want to consider...... just my personal opinions having been there/done that.

1.  Accomodations in the villages is very limited.  You will be lucky to find a hotel or apartment unless you are in one the cities or a resort area.  The visit to one town required that I stay about 35 miles away.
2.  Generally speaking, the women in the larger cities are much better educated and often have advanced degrees.  The towns and villages to a lesser extent.
3.  Transportation to and from the villages is limited..... as discovered in the Trip Report.
4.  It was my experience that the women in the villages carry over the traditions of superstitions and strange behaviors more so than the city folks.  Not sure this is universal, but was my experience.
5.  If you plan on doing any sightseeing or exploring the many sites in Ukriane, you probably want to make arrangements from Kiev.  Even that is not a guarantee.  My trip to the ICBM Missile Complex fell apart because the tour company did not show up at the designated pickup point.
6.  I should mention, that if your whole goal is to go find a Ukrainian wife and that is all, then perhaps it does not matter what approach you use.  The question is, why make it more difficult than it needs to be.
7.  If you really have an interest in learning the true Ukrainian culture, then you need to go to the villages and integrate into society.  It is very interesting and many wife hunters, never get to see it because they are locked into the big cities, tours, etc.  Whatever trips your trigger!   LOL
8.  If you do not speak Russian, you will find it MUCH easier to get assistance from someone on the street in the larger cities that speaks English (and will not run from you).  LOL
9.  Since this is your first trip, you might want to contact Val at  http://valkiev.com/services
before you make your trip.  He rents apartments in Kiev, speaks English, and can make arrangements for your local travel.  He is also a kick in the ass to talk to and can give you good general advice.

Good luck no matter what approach you use.

[Noch1]

Calmissile, I am sure you meant that to go to, newbies. My post count does not make me a newbie in travel their
Only as a poster here..
I have 5 trips, I am committed to one girl.
I have been to 7 different cities by the way of plane, train and cross country car trips.
never really did the village thing, except for a few day trips.
Not bad advice, you give.

But I will stand behind, find the girl then travel to where she is, regardless of the Country or city.

[ECOCKS]

I guess we can agree to disagree. I prefer to find the women, regardless of the city.
But As I am not looking this, is only good info for others who read it.

To each their own.....


Another of the ongoing surprises here are the guys who say this then seem oblivious to the fact that they are searching in just as biased a group when they sit down and peruse the profiles of women from the FSU - Ukraine, Belarus, etc. If you're searching with parameters of interests, height, age, weight and so on, you're limiting your search in a more limited group. If you're only searching profiles blindly and randomly, you're in for a long haul home.


Don't ever stop if this is your true belief though, what if the next profile WAS that PERFECT woman, destined by the FATES for you to stumble across and live a life of bliss and self-actualization?


Play on.....

[calmissile]

Calmissile, I am sure you meant that to go to, newbies. My post count does not make me a newbie in travel their
Only as a poster here..
I have 5 trips, I am committed to one girl.
I have been to 7 different cities by the way of plane, train and cross country car trips.
never really did the village thing, except for a few day trips.
Not bad advice, you give.

But I will stand behind, find the girl then travel to where she is, regardless of the Country or city.

No problem.  Your right, it is more appropriate for a newbie.  With your experience, it sounds like you can travel to the gal with ease.  Good luck.

[Noch1]

To each their own.....


Another of the ongoing surprises here are the guys who say this then seem oblivious to the fact that they are searching in just as biased a group when they sit down and peruse the profiles of women from the FSU - Ukraine, Belarus, etc. If you're searching with parameters of interests, height, age, weight and so on, you're limiting your search in a more limited group. If you're only searching profiles blindly and randomly, you're in for a long haul home.


Don't ever stop if this is your true belief though, what if the next profile WAS that PERFECT woman, destined by the FATES for you to stumble across and live a life of bliss and self-actualization?


Play on.....

When I searched, I was in the same group as many. I looked at profiles and read the one's of interest.
For what it is worth, a couple of points. I looked in FSU, other parts of the world and all of North America!
So for me not quite the same as all. I will admit, I am attracted to the Slavic look!

Second point, At the point of meeting this lady. I was not looking anywhere!
I had a bad ending to a relationship and was not sure, what my next move was.
I was hooked up with this lady by a friend, I had made on one of my trips!
I did not find her on a website, and would not have found.
As she has never been on one, international or local.

I know a few men, who were searching but this is how the found there future lady.
So, to me all it means is this.
Look as you wish, decide for yourself, as you will live with the results.
Regardless of what others think.
Good bad or ugly!

[Faux Pas]

No difference between Pretty Intelligent Tender Angel ( PITA ) and TDOS ? 

MoomGoddess
Did you notice the difference in terms for the single acronym you used? 

[cc3]

Marian...

I did find that compelling woman Gator refers to. I found her in Lugansk. We are now engaged, which makes Lugansk a very pleasant town for me. She is the type of woman you seem to be in search of, with an extremely decent value system, spiritual sensitivity, and negligible materialistic fantasies. When she spends time on her makeup, which is not too often, she appears as glamorous as any on dating websites; otherwise, she presents a very exotically Slavic, earthy, wholesomely beautiful visage. What has contributed most to the success of our relationship is her near fluency in English (she's a children's English teacher), so, in your search, try to find someone with better than basic skill in a common language that you share, i.e.: German or English.

[Marian]

Marian...

I did find that compelling woman Gator refers to. I found her in Lugansk. We are now engaged, which makes Lugansk a very pleasant town for me. She is the type of woman you seem to be in search of, with an extremely decent value system, spiritual sensitivity, and negligible materialistic fantasies. When she spends time on her makeup, which is not too often, she appears as glamorous as any on dating websites; otherwise, she presents a very exotically Slavic, earthy, wholesomely beautiful visage. What has contributed most to the success of our relationship is her near fluency in English (she's a children's English teacher), so, in your search, try to find someone with better than basic skill in a common language that you share, i.e.: German or English.

Congratulations Dude,nice to see you found your love.Does she has a sister...lol..I´m joking.
You explained it very well what kind of women I search.I couldn´t do it better!!

[cc3]

Sorry, she's an only child....but I am returning soon to UA and will ask her about female friends with her characteristics. What age range are you interested in? Not only does my fiancee teach English, but she also takes higher level university English classes in which most of her classmates are 18 to 21.

[Gator]

MoomGoddess
Did you notice the difference in terms for the single acronym you used? 

She knows the prominent use.  She's just having fun.