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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #125 on: December 11, 2012, 02:15:04 PM »
There's only one fool here Shadow,and he's using a dog as his profile pic.
 
You have shown your total lack of knowledge about those particular sites,by not even being aware there are no activity stats on the girls profiles. :rolleyes:
 
You sure don't look too credible to me.
I,on the other hand,have had the misfortune of dealing with girls from those sites,so i know exactly how they operate.
 
 
As for unfounded accusations about the sites,then you're the one making that,and you've done enough squirming and back-tracking.,regarding your statement there is no proof there are 17,360 women on the sites.
The words "full of hot air " regarding you spring to mind.
 
Nuff said .
 
 
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #126 on: December 11, 2012, 05:32:51 PM »

Materialistic girls are VERY EASY to read.  You need to avoid them before getting further with them.

Apparently not;  Since I am the only man here not to have been scammed or spent lengthy times with materialistic women.
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #127 on: December 11, 2012, 10:01:28 PM »
Apparently not;  Since I am the only man here not to have been scammed or spent lengthy times with materialistic women.

Add another to your count of those who have never been scammed, after having traveled to eastern Europe, off and on, for the last 6 years to meet, and have relationships with, some very interesting and promising honest women.

The scammers target the naive, gullible and unaware 'scammable' WM. These 'scammables' were probably as incompetent judges of the character of western women as they are of FSUW.  ::)

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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #128 on: December 11, 2012, 10:14:59 PM »
Shadow,
           I appreciate and understand what you're saying.
 
I don't agree with your estimate of how many girls are involved in the pro-dating business however.
 
On HRB/RLM alone,there are now 17,360 girls operating,99% of them being from Ukraine,with the majority of them aged 18-30.
How many of those girls do you seriously think are looking for a foreign husband ?
 
They are there because they're getting paid to chat,often all through the night,or because they get a cut of the income from letters and gifts sent to them through those sites.
The bonus is when foreign men visit them,so they can do their pro-dating,although it may well not be their full-time occupation.
Chelseaboy...You have proof of this? Or just what you heard?
I do have a friend that is a translator in Odessa, her agency does deal with HRB alot. She tells me that the girls that come into agency do get benefits to stay with them....no not cash for chats or letters or gifts from men...they have monthly activities for girls such as dinners, fashion shows, wine tastings or beach events.
 
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #129 on: December 11, 2012, 11:13:34 PM »
Chelseaboy...You have proof of this? Or just what you heard?
I do have a friend that is a translator in Odessa, her agency does deal with HRB alot. She tells me that the girls that come into agency do get benefits to stay with them....no not cash for chats or letters or gifts from men...they have monthly activities for girls such as dinners, fashion shows, wine tastings or beach events.

I have no idea how many women are on the MOB dating sites and have no dog in this argument.
Last year I spent some time analyzing the activities of the dating site I was using.  I befriended two gals that were always on the site and off line I was able to get some clues to how the site operates.  As a result of many conversations with them (off the site) I learned the following about the site:
1.  Only some of the women are paid by the agency to chat with men in real time.  There are many legitimate women looking for foreign husbands that have no financial connection other than the translator fees generated by the site and the men pay the fees and the women get no cut.
2.  Most of the revenue the women get are from the live video chat which costs the men  $4-$5 per minute.  These women are very aggressive about trying to lure men into the video chat and away from the free chat room.
3.  Both gals made money from clients that had them write profiles for them.  Is it any wonder so many profiles look the same?
4.  It seems intuitive that the women are not going to sit all day in an agency just for the hell of it.  LOL
5.  The web site also provided some of the women computers to use at home to stay on line and try to get guys into the paid video chat room.  They are pretty clever.  They have rigged the computers so that the women cannot install other programs (such as Skype).
6.  Many non-English speaking women use the site simply because they offer the translation of letters and they have no activity other than the letters to and from potential suitors.

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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #130 on: December 12, 2012, 01:24:40 AM »
Greetings from overseas.  I hope that Los Angeles has not fallen off the San Andreas fault.  There is a standing joke in LA that some day that fault will cut loose and the rest of the United States will fall into the ocean.

I was reading ML's bombastic quote that he had never been scammed.  I guess the question is what is a scam?  Someone taking your money?  Or someone that is there for a reason other than wanting to date you.  ML, looking back over your posts, you have mentioned repeatedly how you sidestepped those women that were trying to take advantage of you.  But my observation is that they were with you in the first place.

I shared the experience of going out with someone that I immediately discovered to be a pro-dater.  But on reconciling that fact, decided to go ahead with the date.  I just couldn't imagine that the small amount of money that I was going to spend on the date was relative.  And my need to 'expose the ###!' was superceded by my general happiness. My personal enjoyment spending time with her, even knowing that I meant nothing to her,  made the date well worth while. 

To that extent, we find happiness where we can, and don't sweat the small stuff. 

I am trying to get down to Sochi over the holidays to try the new Olympic venues for skiing.  Wish me luck.  New gal is a skier and I grew up spending holidays at Taos and now at Mammoth.  If we make it down that far, I promise to post pictures.  Didn't bring equipment here so I guess I will rent.  Maybe get a chance to try out some 185s I've been eyeing.  Billy the Kid and old Jean Claude have nothing on me.

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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #131 on: December 12, 2012, 04:08:44 AM »
There's only one fool here Shadow,and he's using a dog as his profile pic.
 
You have shown your total lack of knowledge about those particular sites,by not even being aware there are no activity stats on the girls profiles. :rolleyes:
 
You sure don't look too credible to me.
I,on the other hand,have had the misfortune of dealing with girls from those sites,so i know exactly how they operate.
 
 
As for unfounded accusations about the sites,then you're the one making that,and you've done enough squirming and back-tracking.,regarding your statement there is no proof there are 17,360 women on the sites.
The words "full of hot air " regarding you spring to mind.
 
Nuff said .
Being together with Mrs Shadow for 7 years makes that I do not visit the sites regularly.
As for hiding the statistics, that itself is proof of what I say.
But you will not have the ability to understand that.

So get me your proof. fool.
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #132 on: December 12, 2012, 04:09:26 AM »
Apparently not;  Since I am the only man here not to have been scammed or spent lengthy times with materialistic women.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can add me to that as well.
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #133 on: December 12, 2012, 05:24:45 AM »
Hey,idiot Shadow,,,you're back.
 
Found the proof that there are not 17,360 women on those sites yet ?
 
Thought not.
 
Put up or shut up fool
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #134 on: December 12, 2012, 05:37:59 AM »
LAman,
             No,no proof of payment as such.
 
I always found the girls changed the subject whenever i asked why they were doing eight hour stints on webcam all through their night till 6am...and were they getting paid ?
They're very adept at avoiding questions about possible payment....often they just said bye and turned their webcams off ,then came back on webcam when the coast was clear: ))
 
However,regarding gifts,i can confirm around 75% of the around 100 webcam girls i personally said hello to asked me to send them a gift in our one and only chat.
Teddy Bear was the most popular request,so they could cuddle it at night,whilst thinking of me...yeah right  :rolleyes:
 
p.s.For clarification purposes,when i say send them a gift,i mean buy them a gift through the site.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2012, 05:44:17 AM by Chelseaboy »
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #135 on: December 12, 2012, 06:22:23 AM »

I was reading ML's bombastic quote that he had never been scammed...


i had never been scammed, either.

i never considered that fact as unusual, much less 'bombastic'.

guys, am i missing something here?

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« Reply #136 on: December 12, 2012, 06:33:03 AM »
Apparently not; Since I am the only man here not to have been scammed or spent lengthy times with materialistic women.

I have never been scammed also.  However, I was going to get scammed though only if I had send the money!
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #137 on: December 12, 2012, 06:34:34 AM »
Add another to your count of those who have never been scammed, after having traveled to eastern Europe, off and on, for the last 6 years to meet, and have relationships with, some very interesting and promising honest women.

The scammers target the naive, gullible and unaware 'scammable' WM. These 'scammables' were probably as incompetent judges of the character of western women as they are of FSUW.  ::)

also ugly, fat, bald, poor taste of clothing men who are desperately for a 'beautiful' women
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #138 on: December 12, 2012, 07:01:55 AM »
Wow, name-calling, chest-beating, bragging, why any  second now and the tape measures will come out and they'll be flopping around on the tabletops.


Who would have believed it?
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #139 on: December 12, 2012, 07:07:45 AM »
also ugly, fat, bald, poor taste of clothing men who are desperately for a 'beautiful' women


Oh, you are describing me perfectly.  Good job.  Maybe that is why I have been scammed so many times that if I had that money back I could through a heck of a party.

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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #140 on: December 12, 2012, 07:30:37 AM »
Wow, name-calling, chest-beating, bragging, why any  second now and the tape measures will come out and they'll be flopping around on the tabletops.


Who would have believed it?

LOL

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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #141 on: December 12, 2012, 12:38:44 PM »
I was reading ML's bombastic quote that he had never been scammed.  I guess the question is what is a scam?  Someone taking your money?  Or someone that is there for a reason other than wanting to date you.  ML, looking back over your posts, you have mentioned repeatedly how you sidestepped those women that were trying to take advantage of you. 

But my observation is that they were with you in the first place.

No, I don't believe they were ever with me . . . serious scammers.

Any woman even hinting about money was eliminated during  the correspondence stage.

Now, after the first meeting, there were a few that I eliminated if they seemed interested in spending my money freely.

But I never gave a dime outright following a request for such.

I did give money to gals that I wanted to continue with, but they never requested it.  This money was in lieu of standard gifts, in some instances so they could buy nice gifts for their children around birthdays, Christmas, etc.

Yes, there were probably some who had little interest in me, and just wanted some nice meals, etc.  But this usually lasted only for one date and couldn't really be classified as a scam, since I was only spending money at the restaurant (on a first date), the same as I would if the woman were more  serious about me.
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« Reply #142 on: December 12, 2012, 01:04:19 PM »
No, I don't believe they were ever with me . . . serious scammers.

Any woman even hinting about money was eliminated during  the correspondence stage.



Same here!  I hate when ladies talk about money, money - during 1st few dates or correspondence stage

Also hate when they talked about their "sick" grandmother even if it is real "sick"

My simplest answer to her "I'm very sorry that you have a sick grandmother, but you aren't ready to come to live with me in UK.  You are needed to be with your grandmother."   8)
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #143 on: December 12, 2012, 04:57:21 PM »
Sooooooo.  Let me understand something.

You all feel that the only scam is when someone is dumb enough to send money through Western Union (another thread, entirely) or that you buy her something? 

I guess, under those circumstances, I haven't been scammed either.  But I know for a fact that the gal that I met and took out was a pro-dater.  And I submit to all of you that if you are talking to a newbie about how to stay away from naughty scammer girls, you would include those pro-daters and gift seekers on your list of women to avoid.   It was like the man on here who said that the first gal he talked to was his future bride.  We now know that he was in country about seven or eight times (and a good cobber) so was well versed on what he was looking for.  I guess, in each of our own ways, we become self righteous in how we did the right thing at the right time.  But to me, it's just all BS.

Personally, I say that I was scammed and I am the better man for it.  It is better to have lived and loved . . . . . Then never been scammed before.

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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #144 on: December 12, 2012, 06:37:34 PM »
LAman,
             No,no proof of payment as such.
 
I always found the girls changed the subject whenever i asked why they were doing eight hour stints on webcam all through their night till 6am...and were they getting paid ?
They're very adept at avoiding questions about possible payment....often they just said bye and turned their webcams off ,then came back on webcam when the coast was clear: ))
 
However,regarding gifts,i can confirm around 75% of the around 100 webcam girls i personally said hello to asked me to send them a gift in our one and only chat.
Teddy Bear was the most popular request,so they could cuddle it at night,whilst thinking of me...yeah right  :rolleyes:
 
p.s.For clarification purposes,when i say send them a gift,i mean buy them a gift through the site.
To be honest Chelseaboy, I don't any girl that would want to talk to you if your questions are about '8 hour stints' or 'how much they are getting paid'. Fact is, why would anyone want to chat with a girl in the middle of the night......only bad things happen late at night!!!! :P
I don't know what site you were on but I was never asked for anything. I only lasted for as long as I had any interest in chatting. Some just long enough to only express my admiration at how attractive the pics were!!!
 
I still don't understand some terms here like 'pro dater' and 'scammer'.  By the descriptions here  my sister was both!!! She used men for what they had to offer. If fact one time I asked her why so-so guy was not around anymore...she simply stated 'he ran out of money!!! :D  I have seen girls at home 'date' many different men...yet never before coming here did I ever hear someone say this girl is a 'pro dater'. Is that just a term for a FSU girl?  Can a guy taking many trips to FSU be classified as a pro dater too?
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #145 on: December 12, 2012, 09:31:25 PM »
  I have seen girls at home 'date' many different men...yet never before coming here did I ever hear someone say this girl is a 'pro dater'. Is that just a term for a FSU girl?  Can a guy taking many trips to FSU be classified as a pro dater too?

As I understand it, the term 'pro dater' is used here to describe someone who is a serial dater with the primary agenda to get meals, trips, gifts, and other things of  monetary value from the  men.

I have never heard of  a man having this goal or  maybe it  is one in a thousand or so.

Men who take many trips to FSU are very quickly branded as sex tourists even where that is not the case and even where there is no sex.

Further more, I think the moniker 'sex tourist' is pretty ludicrous except in  the case where travel is  done to have sex with underage persons.

As has been pointed out by several posters, if men were only interested in  having sex with legal age women, then it could be accomplished much cheaper and in less time to just stay in your own country or city
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #146 on: December 12, 2012, 09:40:39 PM »
Apparently not;  Since I am the only man here not to have been scammed or spent lengthy times with materialistic women.

In reflecting on my statement I remember the axiom: You cannot scam an honest man.

Or wait . . . maybe it's: You cannot scam a scammer.

I hope it is not the latter.   :o
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Re: Pro-dater?
« Reply #147 on: December 12, 2012, 10:28:59 PM »
As I understand it, the term 'pro dater' is used here to describe someone who is a serial dater with the primary agenda to get meals, trips, gifts, and other things of  monetary value from the  men.

 
ML...then what is difference between scammer and serial dater? What you have described has been also labeled here as a scammer.
There must be some mind readers to be able to ascertain in a date or couple dates what a girls 'primary agenda' is. What if she just likes/wants lavish things.......and maybe the guy doesn't end up being what she is looking for. And I do understand, from a guys POV,  it seems she just used him.
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« Reply #148 on: December 12, 2012, 10:59:31 PM »
 I have been scammed.  I was on I believe Match.com 10-12 years ago and was contacted by a "Russian woman".  I fell for it...at least I believed"her" for a couple of weeks. I became skeptical when she wanted money via western union.

 I never sent any money nor did it cost me anything. But...I was scammed and it was a little emotional.....not a lot...but it makes you question yourself. I think the emotional part of the scam is more damaging than the loss of money anyways.

If it wasnt for finding RWD I would still believe that ALL russian women are scammers. In January I will be going to Ukraine.

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« Reply #149 on: December 12, 2012, 11:41:28 PM »
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                   I've never been to the US,so i wasn't aware that girls over there make money out of guys through apartment hire and taxi fare scams when they go on dates.

Chelseaboy, they do much worse.  They go out with someone else, and you have to pay for it....and you have to pay for their rent....and you have to pay for their free medical cards...and you get stuck paying for their dinner every night for the next umpteen years....and you also get to pay for some schooling for the girl to get an education so maybe someday she won't need you to pay for everything anymore.

It's called welfare.  It's the civilized version.  At least the Ukrainian scammers are honest and only scam the idiots.  Here, you are either a scammer, or you are getting scammed.

Over HALF the US population receives some form of government financial benefits every month.
HALF the population pays no income tax. (because they are the recipients of your taxes.)
40% of all households receive food stamps.

I bet if Ukraine had a welfare system like the US, you wouldn't see the scamming problem.  Why?  Because the lazy scammers would just collect welfare - and the industrious scammers would be working their butts off doing something productive in an economy that can afford to pay welfare.

And if you don't think girls are going out on dates in the US to make money out of guys, read this article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29/seeking-arrangement-college-students_n_913373.html

35% of the 800,000 members are students.
That's over a quarter million "working girls".

WHO ARE THESE GUYS?

"It's a very expensive job," says Jack, a 70-year-old sugar daddy, who describes himself as a "humanitarian" interested in helping young women in financial need.
Educated, debt-ridden 20-somethings happen to be an age demographic that intersects nicely with Jack's preferences. "I only go out with girls 25 and under," says Jack, whose thick head of white hair and bushy eyebrows form a halo around a red, flushed face. "But I can't walk into a bar and go up to a 25-year-old. They'd think I'm a pervert. So, this is how I go about meeting them."

As he continues, he repeatedly glances over his shoulder to make sure no one is listening.


But yet these same perverts think FSUW are stupid enough not to consider them perverts....

 

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