Help for a newbie

[calmissile]

ML, Hammer

Dont' forget to recommend the free E-Book on this site to newbies.  There is little reason to be purchasing books on FSU dating when good free ones are available.  Also on Mark Davis's website there is also a wealth of free info for newbies.

[justme100]

HaHa  (i love this emoticon).But how do you explain such Letters?Unserious Profiles on EM (as we know they can be everywhere) or the Ladys didnt understand what I have written there.

simply:)all the sites I know have a set of fake profiles, both of men and women? to attract attention to the site)women also get letters from non-existing but quite good looking men to be attracted to use the site and sometimes to pay to read a letter(russianeuro)

[justme100]

 The interesting thing about the Elena's Models and UkraineDate is that women actually do proactively search and communicate.

Maybe because of a huge bannner on a homepage from the women side saying-Dear Ladies,those women who did found their husbands on our site wrote them themselves.If you want  success, act!!

[Marian]

simply:)all the sites I know have a set of fake profiles, both of men and women? to attract attention to the site)women also get letters from non-existing but quite good looking men to be attracted to use the site and sometimes to pay to read a letter(russianeuro)

Russianeuro is Russiancupid..women have to pay there to read the Letters?
Thats a new one for me.

[justme100]

Yes, if man is a  standard member,you have to pay to read a letter from him

[Faux Pas]

FP, are you saying all ladies on EM have their own computer and/or have direct personal email through EM and never enter into a local agency office?

LA, are you being facetious or do you want an honest answer to that? It's hard to tell. In any event, why or better yet how could I possibly know if all the EM ladies have their own computer? However, IMHO chances are 95% of them have access to a computer.

I do know that most of the women I communicated with through EMs had their own direct email that was not affiliated with AFAIK any agency. Most had their own computer or easy access to a computer and the internet.

I also did communicate with a couple of ladies that had someone else working their profile on EM. Now whether than was another agency or not I do not know but, I know other agencies will put up profiles on EM even though it is discouraged (supposedly) by EM to do so.

While I agree with you many of the PPL sites are separating gullible men from their money. I wonder why even send any newbie to any site. Is that really helping them? I think it would be more helpul to ask some pertinent questions and have them read the many excellent threads here to gain some knowledge to be better prepared in this endeavor.
Personally, I would never recomend this journey to any of my friends, in fact I would be more adapt to discourage anyone from trying( if I was a true friend). Of course down the line if one really wants to try, I will certainly try to help them.

Why send a newbie to any site at all? Because they ask. For me it is as simple as that. I came to these boards years ago looking for information and found it. I wasn't seeking moral, fiduciary judgements or anything else. Merely information. I try to pass it forward and that includes any pro's or con's that I might be aware of

[Faux Pas]

I should read the FAQ of Elena Models before reading bad post about this site.
I dint know that this site has a another Concept.Thougt it is the same like DM or AW.So this is a fact your communicating with the Women and not with an employee of the Agency?
I also had a profile there ,it was a year ago.I wrote in my Profil information "not to send me Letters until
I am a full member of the site and that I´m not active here at the moment."
I was testing cuteonly at this Time and didnt want to have two active Profiles at the same Time.I was suprised to getting Letters from ElenaM so I thouhgt this is also one of those fishing sites where they send precast Letters to make the Members pay for it.It was not a hughe amount of Letters,around 10 or 12 as I can remember.Thats why I thouhgt the Women do not read the profiles on their own and some employees are sending those letters.

Marian,
I don't know what EMs offers presently. I haven't been on the site in 4-5 years. At the time I was a member they had  a "Gold" or "platinum" membership that allowed unlimited contact with ladies over a 6 month period for about $200 USD. They also had a cheaper version that allowed contact with 50 ladies over the same period. Contact IIRC was you opening their email or them opening yours. Once contact was made, they no longer counted as a contact. This was done through the EM messaging email system and it was unfiltered. As far as I know nobody read or censored them. I offered my personal email in all of my contact letters and most of the women contacted me there. Some persisted through the EM system. Quite honestly, 6 months was enough for me. At one point I was communicating with 75-100 women and it was a lot of work. I quickly narrowed it down to a manageable group and my eventual wife. I wasn't a paying member but for the one 6 month term. I thought it was the ideal way to get acquainted with FSU ladies. In fact I thought it worked to well.

[LAman]

LA, are you being facetious or do you want an honest answer to that? It's hard to tell. In any event, why or better yet how could I possibly know if all the EM ladies have their own computer? However, IMHO chances are 95% of them have access to a computer.

I do know that most of the women I communicated with through EMs had their own direct email that was not affiliated with AFAIK any agency. Most had their own computer or easy access to a computer and the internet.

I also did communicate with a couple of ladies that had someone else working their profile on EM. Now whether than was another agency or not I do not know but, I know other agencies will put up profiles on EM even though it is discouraged (supposedly) by EM to do so.

Yes FP a little facetious.....because of you saying 'no agency involved'. I understand EM says that contact is from member to member but how does a girl with no english skills send a letter with very good english grammer using an online translator?? Got to be an agency involved, no?

  Why send a newbie to any site at all? Because they ask. For me it is as simple as that. I came to these boards years ago looking for information and found it. I wasn't seeking moral, fiduciary judgements or anything else. Merely information. I try to pass it forward and that includes any pro's or con's that I might be aware of

Because they ask???  One time I was working in a hardware store, a man came in looking for an anvel adapter for his drill. I asked why, when he explained what he was doing, I told him I knew of a better devise
that was simpler and good craftmanship. Now, would I have been helping him by telling him where the anvel was or by asking a question or two to better able to give better advice?

[Shadow]

One time I was working in a hardware store, a man came in looking for an anvel adapter for his drill. I asked why, when he explained what he was doing, I told him I knew of a better devise
that was simpler and good craftmanship. Now, would I have been helping him by telling him where the anvel was or by asking a question or two to better able to give better advice?

Hmm... what better device as a female can you suggest for marriage ?

[Daveman]

Yes FP a little facetious.....because of you saying 'no agency involved'. I understand EM says that contact is from member to member but how does a girl with no english skills send a letter with very good english grammer using an online translator?? Got to be an agency involved, no?

The Little Red Haired Girl I visited in Russia was placed on EM by her agency in Omsk.  She went to the agency office twice a week to send/receive email translated by them. 


Lots of agencies used to (don't know about now) place their ladies there. The rules were that no money may be charged to the guys, and they couldn't lure guys off EM to their own service.  Her agency was very cool though.  I got to know all of them.  No one requested money ever, so I dropped them a benny for their assistance and great service.


Ultimately though... I still got a rock... 

[jone]

It is amazing how a little lubrication makes the gears turn better.

[LAman]

Hmm... what better device as a female can you suggest for marriage ?

Well I can come up with $1,000,000 reasons to avoid marriage.......at least to the female kind....

[Daveman]

Well I can come up with $1,000,000 reasons to avoid marriage.......at least to the female kind....

Heh...


I have to admit that there was more than one occasion during this venture where I seriously considered becoming a shepherd... baaaaaaa ... baaaaaaaaaaa!

[cc3]

cc3,

I went to your website you mentioned.  The first girl I see is 22 years old and advertises for a man between 18 and 60.  Personally, since you have thrown it out there as being great - and that you have become engaged after talking with only one Ukranian woman - I think it would be interesting for all of us here to understand how you consumated your engagement - how long you talked to this woman before you became engaged, etc., how many times you have seen her, in person, etc.

Somehow your posts just don't pass the sniff test.

Please - other posters join in.  Go look at this site.  Am I the only person that thinks it is a rip-off?

Jone, I did not indulge in reams of detail in recommending "aloneangels". So you are pontificating, unfortunately, based on absolutely zero knowledge of the details of my 6 year long quest in eastern Europe for my permanent partner. I am an EM and (gulp) Anastasia alumnus, written women there, came to UA, years ago to meet and date them. I am a "friendfinders" alumnus (my first foray into online dating). 6 years ago, through FF, I had a year long relationship, in Plovdiv, BG, with an absolutely wonderful lady Bulgarian concert pianist and masters classical piano professor (hostile and jealous Oedipal conflicted adult son destroyed our bonds). Then, using WMVO tactic, because I have unlimited airline travel privileges and can make frequent visits to FSU, I began visiting UA both to view the intriguing country and experience its culture and to date one woman at a time, found in EM and Anastasia, with whom I had had extensive communications before committing to visit. After 3 years of being a vagabond back and forth over the Atlantic, I decided to return to the US for my search. Obesity and ugliness of face and spirit prevailed on AW dating sites, until I discovered "fitness singles" and began dating marathoners, triathletes, tennis and yoga devotees. All great fun... fantastic running, cycling, and tennis partners...but they all, divorcees and widows, seemed quite content with their solo lifestyles and did not want a full time live-in relationship with a male partner, no matter how enjoyable the athletics and sex were. So, last year, I turned my search eastward again. I did not want to join a monthly fee agency...been there, done that. I just wanted to see if there was anyone who could really intrigue me. I wanted to read full profiles and see all photos without the monthly fee. That is how I discovered "aloneangels". I selected only those ladies in my age range, up to 15 years younger, who were tastefully clothed, and not trying to flaunt their bodies unduly. Once my profile was up, though, I got deluged with mail from ridiculously much younger and scantily attired women. After obtaining their private email addresses, I wrote frequently to my selected age-appropriate women and to one unsolicited 20+ year younger one, who had initially contacted me and who was modestly clothed in her profile. After months of writing many, it was the much younger woman with whom I developed intellectual and emotional ties (she's English fluent). We wrote for 11 months before meeting. Would have met sooner but I had to recover from knee surgery for a running injury. We met physically, the only dimension in which we did not already know each other totally. Within a week, we discovered that we were 100% physically compatible, as well as emotionally and intellectually totally in synch as partners. I commute to her within the restrictions of 90/180. Once I have liquidated my real estate in the US, I will join my fiancee and marry and settle down in Lugansk. 

So, I'm not pimping "aloneangels"; it just worked for me. I am a very independent person and wanted minimal agency filtering and interference. Maybe others need more hand holding. Most likely very few AM can afford the frequency of flying that I am lucky to be able to indulge myself. WMVM would be more tactically appropriate for them. By the way I was a member of no forum when I was carrying out my years of flying to Eastern Europe. As an Air Force brat, Naval Academy Midshipman, Marine fighter pilot, and international airline captain, I have traveled the entire world extensively and the world is my playground. I feel blessed to not be the typical insular North American, self-restricted to life between the Atlantic and Pacific coastlines...afraid to make the transoceanic hop with out extreme forum urging.

So, Jone, does this detailed post pass your sniff test???         

[jone]

Of course.  And it is a far cry from hitting a jackpot with your first quarter.

Your experiences are remarkably like my own.  I just don't think that you can advise someone on this board that it is possible to win the game without knowing the rules - which was reason for my pushback. 

Your experiences provided you the necessary background to make choices that wouldn't seem obvious to newbies.  And having read your account, it is demonstrated that you did most of this without coaching and without the benefit of a wingman. 

Congratulations on your future.  I will be just up the road in Kharkiv.  Look me up if you are up that way.  I hope you will be a frequent contributor.  You obviously know how to write.

-j

[Faux Pas]

Yes FP a little facetious.....because of you saying 'no agency involved'. I understand EM says that contact is from member to member but how does a girl with no english skills send a letter with very good english grammer using an online translator??

I didn't say "no agency involved". I said ability to communicate without any agency intervention and it is. I won't pretend that many women can not communicate without some help of some kind but, at EMs you have the ability to communicate directly with the ladies. For me, that was a touchdown. I very quickly limited my communication to those with English skills. My preference.

Got to be an agency involved, no?

No. Not for me. There was a few that contacted me and I sent an EOI that went through an agency. I trashed them. Again, my preference.

Because they ask???  One time I was working in a hardware store, a man came in looking for an anvel adapter for his drill. I asked why, when he explained what he was doing, I told him I knew of a better devise
that was simpler and good craftmanship. Now, would I have been helping him by telling him where the anvel was or by asking a question or two to better able to give better advice?

C'mon LA, you've known me long enough on these boards that I freely offer any pertinent info to newbies and OMB's alike if I think they might benefit from it. I am anti-agency even though I know there are some good ones out there. I just do not see them as necessary for the larger percentage of normal men looking East. 

Any of the 1st International agencies and a number of the others I would classify as a complete rip off and would advise anyone to steer clear of them but, that's just me I suppose

[cc3]

Jone, thank you for your considerate reply. Are you a resident of Kharkiv...or a frequent visitor? My interest in the various forums is more to learn from others' experiences in marrying in country, obtaining temporary and permanent residence permits, and settling in to life in UA with my chosen one.

[vaiano777]

Jone, thank you for your considerate reply. Are you a resident of Kharkiv...or a frequent visitor? My interest in the various forums is more to learn from others' experiences in marrying in country, obtaining temporary and permanent residence permits, and settling in to life in UA with my chosen one.

There are some great people here with a sincere interest in helping, and there are a few others who are so interested in pontificating and showing their superior knowledge that they forgot to actually contribute. Try not to pay attention to those guys and keep searching for information. I have been working and living in Odessa Ukraine for almost 4 years now and have a Russian speaking community of over 250 Ukrainians who help with anything I need or want. So, I'd be happy to help you any way I can. Any questions, thoughts, or concerns, please feel free to ask.

Good luck to you.

[jone]

CC3

I am in Kharkiv off and on for the next three months as I am taking an intensive Russian course.  The modern miracle of the internet allows me to keep involved in my business back in the states.  After that, I'll probably do the 90 here, 90 there.  The biggest thing I miss in the US when I am gone is Cool Whip.  They don't have it here that I can find.  I guess Kraft hasn't penetrated this market yet. 

I am spending as much time as I can with my gal and see if we can make it work long term.  No permanent commitment yet.

But, as stated before, I'd be happy to pound one down with you if you're in town.  I'm not much on the vodka scene, but a brewski is alright by me.

[cc3]

vaiano777

Thank you for your offer of help and info. You certainly have the experience that validates any info you might provide in the future. Hope to get to Odessa with LOML next warm season. Perhaps we can arrange a rendezvous. She is also an English teacher (of children up to teen age).

[cc3]

Jone

Not a vodka swiller, either, especially with such a good Ukrainian double bock as чорне, my go-to-brew in country (6.8% abv). Nina and I will stay alert for Kharkiv visiting opportunities and contact you before we go.

Good luck to you and your lady in your search for relational satisfaction!

[Patagonie]

The Little Red Haired Girl I visited in Russia was placed on EM by her agency in Omsk.  She went to the agency office twice a week to send/receive email translated by them. 


Lots of agencies used to (don't know about now) place their ladies there. The rules were that no money may be charged to the guys, and they couldn't lure guys off EM to their own service.  Her agency was very cool though.  I got to know all of them.  No one requested money ever, so I dropped them a benny for their assistance and great service.


Ultimately though... I still got a rock... 

From a confirmed and trusy source i can tell you that EM contacts agency (agency but probably you can use the plural, if they do it with one they probably do it with many) to recruit girls. 
The local agencies, rooted in their cities, protecting theirs girls from any others predators, let's hope that they are honest, are diamonds.

[newjason]

I am just starting my look for a Ukraine Bride. I have read 1 book with another book on the way. I have read many of your forums after I tried Russianbrides.com  a bad mistake. What are good internet dating sites. I am now researching  Elanesmodels and Ukrainebride... Please any advice??

good luck.

[LAman]

C'mon LA, you've known me long enough on these boards that I freely offer any pertinent info to newbies and OMB's alike if I think they might benefit from it. I am anti-agency even though I know there are some good ones out there. I just do not see them as necessary for the larger percentage of normal men looking East. 

Any of the 1st International agencies and a number of the others I would classify as a complete rip off and would advise anyone to steer clear of them but, that's just me I suppose

My dear FP.......I know you freely give offer any pertinent info to newbies!!! No doubt!!!
I was merely suggesting other avenues to help newbies.....
Actually I know a guy swears by natashaclub(1st international), meets  his girls there but you know what, its his choice....and not I choice I would make.

[LAman]

Thank you Jason.....it is great to tell someone to actually read(here) think, ponder, reflect ...if maybe this journey is actually what they want to try......before asking....'What is a good( ) site to meet women'?