Pick Up Artists in Ukraine

[IAmZon]

One man's experience - not mine.   I found it clarifying, nevertheless.  Ukraine is not an "easy place."  Somethings I agreed with, somethings I did not.  Other observations made me laugh out loud.

How To Pickup Ukrainian Girls In The Club
http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-pickup-ukrainian-girls-in-the-club

[Larry1]

There were several passages that leaped out at me:

I’m convinced touch is the main way that a Ukrainian girl gets attracted to a man. Just understand that while doing this, she will not touch you back. As long as she’s still with you, however, you’re doing fine.

When you run out of conversation (and this will definitely happen because of how little she gives you), suggest a dance. There actually should be less suggesting and more demanding. The girls are so averse to giving direct “Yes” answers that you have to constantly be leading the interaction. If any of your game moves are dependent on a Ukrainian girl saying “Yes,” they will not work.

It’s more important that you attempt the kiss than actually get it. This is because you want to establish a sexual frame to make it clear that friendship is not on the table. 

I really have no idea how much validity these have.  I've never tried to pick up a girl in a club anywhere in FSU.

[Daveman]

I can see all those "leaped out at you" listed working perfectly much of the time -- if she's attracted... or she's merely looking for a "healthy" lay to keep her reproductive organs in top working order, of course...or if the guy looks like a good mark...


and bombing out at other times... 

[Larry1]

While looking at that site I noticed this other post, which contains a video listing a bunch of ways Eastern European girls are better than AW:

http://www.rooshv.com/american-women-vs-eastern-european-women

Several of them are the usual ones we've already heard about or observed.

[Eduard]

I think that the basic attraction works the same in Ukraine as in any other country. If a woman finds you attractive she'll let you know mostly by using the body language. You just have to know how to read the signs off course. The main difference between clubs in Sarasota, FL area, where I live and clubs in Ukraine is that here when you are at a club here you have maybe 10 attractive women and about 8 to 10 guys (for each woman) who are trying to pick them up. In Ukraine and Russia it's more like 2 to 4 women for every guy in the club, so the odds are definitely in guy's favor.

[Muzh]

Ed, I keep telling you you go to the wrong bars in FLA.

[tfcrew]

1. Do most of the talking (at least 90%).

Yeah...right.

[Muzh]

Yeah...right.

LMFAO

[I/O]

Being able to communicate fluently in a common language is surprisingly much more important than being surrounded by boatloads of women.

No kidding dude? Well I guess they do have a brain in there amongst all the 'fleshy' bits after all. 

[Gator]

Where are the guidelines for picking up the mamas of the dyevs at the bars? 
 
When I first became single after 20  years of faithful marriage, I went to the Florida bars with some of my younger golfing friends.  The bars must have been the same that Muzh went to because there were plenty of women.   Too young for me, but now and then I would make a connection with the line, "Is your mother available?"   
 
Another time, I was sitting next to two fine looking young women, and an older friend with his wife came over.  We chatted for a little bit, and when he left he set me up with the statement that most people could overhear,  "Thank you Gator for the $20,000 contribution to my charity.  It will benefit many needy people."  [ed. There was no charity.]   Afterwards I talked for a long time with those two young women.   

[Daveman]

...
 
Another time, I was sitting next to two fine looking young women, and an older friend with his wife came over.  We chatted for a little bit, and when he left he set me up with the statement that most people could overhear,  "Thank you Gator for the $20,000 contribution to my charity.  It will benefit many needy people."  [ed. There was no charity.]   Afterwards I talked for a long time with those two young women.   

...or if the guy looks like a good mark...

 

[Eduard]

Ed, I keep telling you you go to the wrong bars in FLA.

sure, you keep telling me that, yet... you married an FSU woman... and sure, it just happened by "accident", you weren't even looking for one... I think you are just trying to convince yourself, my friend  Unlike you I have faced the reality, and know the reason why I brought my wife over from Russia. If I could have found some one like her here I wouldn't have done that.

[Eduard]

[size=78%]Another time, I was sitting next to two fine looking young women, and an older friend with his wife came over.  We chatted for a little bit, and when he left he set me up with the statement that most people could overhear,  "Thank you Gator for the $20,000 contribution to my charity.  It will benefit many needy people."  [ed. There was no charity.]   Afterwards I talked for a long time with those two young women.  [/size]

Sure you can pick up a few gold diggers that way. However I was at the stage in my life where I wanted to find a woman to settle down with, have children with. Trust me, that particular line wouldn't have impressed my wife...
I've observed guys "working the floor" and out of curiosity listened to what they were talking about with the women they were picking up. Basically what I realised was that the guys who did well in bars were bullshit artists. They could talk about NOTHING for an hour and amazingly women were buying that! I've never done well at bars because I just can't do that. For me there must be some substance to a conversation, I'd rather stay quiet than talk about nothing. I've always had beautiful, smart, intelligent women in my life with the exception of the 2 years I was single in Sarasota area.

[Chelseaboy]

Significant that he'd never been "friend-zoned" as much as he was in Ukraine.
 
Guess he was meeting some pro-daters then,because they only ever want to be friends 

[Larry1]

Ed, I keep telling you you go to the wrong bars in FLA.

When I first became single after 20  years of faithful marriage, I went to the Florida bars with some of my younger golfing friends.  The bars must have been the same that Muzh went to because there were plenty of women.   

I'm betting you guys were going to bars in Southeast Florida (the Miami, Palm beach, Ft. Lauderdale area for the non-Floridians).  There are PLENTY of young, hot girls there.  But Ed lived near Sarasota, on the Southwest side, where the population skews old.  Very old.  A friend of mine who grew up in Sarasota said the saying there was the old people live in Ft. Myers and their parents live in Sarasota.

[IAmZon]

When I first met these guys - PUAs ... Pick Up Artists- I dismissed them prematurely.

They do the most they can with what they got.  They are against "sponsoring," so that, at least is a step in the right direction.  Perhaps they are too base, and single minded ... but, most of these guys are younger (under the age of 35).   

What I have to say now is many of these men endeavor to, and succeed in overcoming limitations.  Because of their effort, I find value.  After you get beyond the adolescent parts, it is really only advance / applied psychology.  The author, in this case, tries to follow a scientists method (he is a micro-biologist in real life). 

Anyway ... it is not a book of brag (no connection to our esteem member Jack Brag) .  It is insightful, and jibes with many of my own observations.

[GQBlues]

"Pick-Up Artists in Ukraine"

Hhhmmm, Why does that sound so redundant to me, if not an overkill....almost like trying to choose the liveliest bait during a feeding frenzy.

[Belvis]

Well I guess they do have a brain in there amongst all the 'fleshy' bits after all. 

It sounded to me as:  they do have brains in all their  fleshy bits 

[Patagonie]

I can see all those "leaped out at you" listed working perfectly much of the time -- if she's attracted... or she's merely looking for a "healthy" lay to keep her reproductive organs in top working order, of course...or if the guy looks like a good mark...


and bombing out at other times... 

Yeah this is a style of seduction for B52 pilots.
Not my preference 
But on an other hand pick up in a club is really difficult, and if you add that this guy speaks no russian, he tries what he can do. And he surely find some audience, not looking quality.

[Patagonie]

Sure you can pick up a few gold diggers that way. However I was at the stage in my life where I wanted to find a woman to settle down with, have children with. Trust me, that particular line wouldn't have impressed my wife...
I've observed guys "working the floor" and out of curiosity listened to what they were talking about with the women they were picking up. Basically what I realised was that the guys who did well in bars were bullshit artists. They could talk about NOTHING for an hour and amazingly women were buying that! I've never done well at bars because I just can't do that. For me there must be some substance to a conversation, I'd rather stay quiet than talk about nothing. I've always had beautiful, smart, intelligent women in my life with the exception of the 2 years I was single in Sarasota area.

If you have observed a team of girls in a bar, a club, when they go out, you can see in  their style of conversation, that they barely never discuss about politic, economy, philosophy. Theey want to enjoy their time.
PUA or fellows are capable to talk of anything, anytime, everywhere. The most important is not WHAT you say, but HOW you tell them. In the first seconds you open a girl, you are totally alone, you have to make the talk. it needs some time her to start to talk.
I can tell you that i have observed many guys speaking about very serious things like jobs or very smart things. But i could see the woman by her body language more and more worried as the time passed. The most important is not to talk about meaningful topics, but to be playful and show your personality.

[Patagonie]

When I first met these guys - PUAs ... Pick Up Artists- I dismissed them prematurely.

They do the most they can with what they got.  They are against "sponsoring," so that, at least is a step in the right direction.  Perhaps they are too base, and single minded ... but, most of these guys are younger (under the age of 35).   

What I have to say now is many of these men endeavor to, and succeed in overcoming limitations.  Because of their effort, I find value.  After you get beyond the adolescent parts, it is really only advance / applied psychology.  The author, in this case, tries to follow a scientists method (he is a micro-biologist in real life). 

Anyway ... it is not a book of brag (no connection to our esteem member Jack Brag) .  It is insightful, and jibes with many of my own observations.

Perfectly exact.
Many gamers are young, less then 30 for many. And also a lot of teenagers are attracted by this. But if you don't have a personality, it is shit. And you don't have a personality IMHO before minimum 30.
For what i have practiced and what i have studied, 95% of what PUA (guys who are high coachs and acknowledged as national or international expert) say is totally relevant. But be careful : what they say generally don't go over the firsts meetings.

[mendeleyev]

Interesting for discussion.

From the article:

1. Do most of the talking (at least 90%). She will give short responses that do not at all help you continue the conversation. Silence will be standard. It will seem like she has passed into the netherworld, but as long as her body is still there (i.e., she doesn’t walk away), you’re doing fine and should talk about anything that comes to your mind. Some silence on your part is okay, but too much silence and she may reanimate and walk away into the arms of another guy.

As someone who spends a lot of time around FSU folk, this one set off the chuckle button immediately. In reality many of these folk are polite to foreign strangers but in real life if you're doing all the talking and they're quiet except for short useless responses but still there, it usually signals that you are toast and will not be remembered fondly after the event/evening is over.

In real life, whether business or meeting new acquaintances, that is the time to build rapport usually by asking open ended questions and then shutting up for the answer. I don't hang around picking up girls in bars so unless a little genetic button switches on internally as they step over the threshold of a drinking establishment and reverse the normal behaviour patterns, this one is a stretch.

2. Touch early and often. Do you remember the scene in The Matrix where Trinity brought Neo back to life by declaring her love for him? Well you’re going to bring the Ukrainian Bernie back to life by touching her a lot. Start touching her arms, her back, her hips, and—once you’re on the dancefloor—her ass.

Violating private space without permission usually only works when the gal charges by the half hour. I have in life learned that a non-verbal invitation, often there if you know how to read the signs, is necessary for many areas of touch. You must also know how to read the signs when an invitation is missing so as to prolong your days of living on the earth.

Just one guy's thoughts...

[Belvis]

2. Touch early and often. ...Well you’re going to bring the Ukrainian Bernie back to life by touching her a lot. Start touching her arms, her back, her hips, and—once you’re on the dancefloor—her ass.

One story arises in my mind when I read the PUA advice.  Wife of my cousin, very pretty woman in her late 20s at that time,  told me about. She was in a night club with her husband and girlfriends. While her boring man was sipping beer she enjoyed dancing with other girls. Then she had felt somebody touched her ass, slightly and once. She was not angry, just turned around to see of curiosity who had done that. Well, all she was able to see through crowd as her husband beats an unfamilar man. This man was there with a company, the husband had there his friends too and fight became total. Ours win 

[Gator]

In real life, whether business or meeting new acquaintances, that is the time to build rapport usually by asking open ended questions and then shutting up for the answer.

Excellent advice in life, business, and sportfucking.  Always endeavor to get the other person to do the talking.  Do it well, and much will be revealed.  Even reticent women will talk if you probe and find their trigger, usually by maintaining much silence and waiting for them.
 
BTW, realtive to the FSU, I believe that doing all the talking would suggest egocentrism, a quality that most RW have been trained to  look for (and to avoid any men who exhibit it). 
 
 
From the article:
 

   Touch early and often

After some connection with conversation, one gentle touch to a safe area is advisable in my book.......but early and often!?  Sounds like groping.  I assume this works well with inebriated women or horny women not looking for intellectual stimulation. 
 
Although I preferred the intelligent women looking for conversation and possibly intimacy, I admit to breaking the touch barrier (e. g., while standing, "inadvertently" bumping my Johnson against the side of her hip, just as some of them have grazed their breasts across my arm).  But that happened after much interesting talk, and it was decades ago when "hormonally challenged."

 

      Attempt to kiss Bernie       

A "Bernie" is what part of the female body?  Kissing within a few minutes?  Does this actually work?  There are many women out there I would never let near my lips.

[Muzh]

sure, you keep telling me that, yet... you married an FSU woman... and sure, it just happened by "accident", you weren't even looking for one... I think you are just trying to convince yourself, my friend  Unlike you I have faced the reality, and know the reason why I brought my wife over from Russia. If I could have found some one like her here I wouldn't have done that.

Wait, who said I wasn't looking for one?

I was definitely looking for a wife. She just happened to be in Ukraine. 

Let's talk about reality.

At the very early stage of getting to know my UW, there was a young intern who had the hots for me. A very sweet and beautiful Midwestern babe. The problem, for me, was that she was too young for me. Twenty years! She was just starting with life and I was just making the turn. I couldn't do that to her.

THAT is reality.