Newbie from the other side

[BBC]

Hi,
I am born in Kazakhstan although ethnically not Kazakh, and spent the most of my life here. I’m married Canadian since summer of 2011 and currently packing my stuff to move to Canada, BC, which is to happen in few weeks. I’m communicating with Russian girls in forums for immigrants, but also find it interesting to learn the way the Western men see us, and what they think about us – Russian women and Russians in overall. Hence I am here. 

[cc3]

Hi,
I am born in Kazakhstan although ethnically not Kazakh, and spent the most of my life here. I’m married Canadian since summer of 2011 and currently packing my stuff to move to Canada, BC, which is to happen in few weeks. I’m communicating with Russian girls in forums for immigrants, but also find it interesting to learn the way the Western men see us, and what they think about us – Russian women and Russians in overall. Hence I am here. 

Welcome, BBC.     You are moving to the most beautiful province in Canada and one of the most scenic regions in the Western Hemisphere  . Bon voyage and may your marriage be happy and successful.

In this forum, you will find 98% of us Western men (WM in forum parlance) are here because we think very, very highly of Russian and other Former Soviet Union (FSU)  nations' women. That is why we are here. I am engaged to a Russian speaking (as her first language, also fluent in Ukrainian) Ukrainian woman. She is the best woman with whom I have ever had a relationship. We have chosen to live together in Ukraine until she completes her university studies.   

If you have more specific questions, don't hesitate to ask.

[Shadow]

Many women moving to Canada. Might be a tip for the US men.

[CDW]

Many women moving to Canada. Might be a tip for the US men.

and no tip for European & Rest of the World men?

[Faux Pas]

and no tip for European & Rest of the World men?

Please don't side track this introduction thread.

Welcome to RWD BBC!

[Daveman]

Hi,
I am born in Kazakhstan although ethnically not Kazakh, and spent the most of my life here. I’m married Canadian since summer of 2011 and currently packing my stuff to move to Canada, BC, which is to happen in few weeks. I’m communicating with Russian girls in forums for immigrants, but also find it interesting to learn the way the Western men see us, and what they think about us – Russian women and Russians in overall. Hence I am here. 

Hiya BBC, welcome!


There are a few of us who married in the summer of 2011.  Maybe we'll be the Class of 2011.. 


My opinions of Russians overall, inside the USA, is pretty much split.  I've met some supremely excellent Russian people, and then I've met some others I consider to be the crap of the earth.  The former were mostly families or single people (men or women) who immigrated on their own, or wives of WM.  Most of the really crappy ones are divorced RW who came on K-1 visa's.  The differences in the qualities of Russian people is just about the same as for American/Canadian people.  I really like some, am somewhat indifferent to some, and completely can't tolerate others.  Of course, my opinions are based solely on my own value system and qualities I admire or disdain in human beings. 


Good luck and best wishes!

[Larry1]

BBC,
Welcome to the forum. I'm looking forward to more of your posts.

[I/O]

interesting to learn the way the Western men see us

Generally with our eyes, occasionally with our hands.............

[Anotherkiwi]

Generally with our eyes, occasionally with our hands.............

How many children is that so far? 
 
  BBC!  I look forward to reading about your experiences.

[BBC]

Many women moving to Canada. Might be a tip for the US men.

Looks like Canucks are aware better of “how to attract” tips, eh?

[BBC]

Generally with our eyes, occasionally with our hands.............

I knew I’d find some answers here. So far I couldn’t figure out why my hubby couldn't see the color of my eyes on skype webcam and insisted on meeting in-person .

[I/O]

So far I couldn’t figure out why my hubby couldn't see the color of my eyes on skype webcam and insisted on meeting in-person .

Stop there - any further details may make us blush.

[BBC]

  BBC!  I look forward to reading about your experiences.

Anotherkiwi, I better not to post details about my experiences in view of the warning from your compatriot:

Stop there - any further details may make us blush.

If to leave out some details  , my experiences during first months on the dating site failed either at the stage of e-mails/skyping, or after the first meetings. For some reason I was passive and waiting for PMs from men, I didn’t start communication myself - may be that was the influence of being grown up in the muslim country, I don’t know.
Later on I noticed that one Canadian man was visiting my page on the dating site more than once, but he didn’t  send me a word. Of course I went to see his profile  . I liked what he wrote about himself and his expectations about a woman he was looking for. I told to myself that I need to do something about his shyness  ,  and sent him my introduction message (that was the first and last introduction initiated by me in dating). One year later I accepted his proposal – this time it was his initiative. Now he is teasing me that I found him and chased until he married me .

We were lucky in terms of obtaining Canadian temporary travel visas for me. First time I applied for multiple entry visa for 1 year, but got single-entry for 6 months, however it was enough for the first meeting (2 weeks)  - I was hooked completely during that visit  . After return from Canada I again applied for multiple 1-year visa, but got multiple entry good for 3 years! This whole issue with visas was probably critical for the success of our relationship as it removed the main obstacle for us to meet. I could afford to take 6-months unpaid leave, so I went to Canada for more serious “probation period” as it was important to see how we get along with each other in longer terms while sharing the same territory  . This time I went back to Kazakhstan as a married woman. Afterwards we met in Europe for honey moon and I also had one more long visit of my husband in 2012. Last December (after long waiting) I got Canadian immigrant visas for me and my daughter -  we are all looking forward to new life in Canada.

Thanks to all for your warm welcome!

[Anotherkiwi]

Anotherkiwi, I better not to post details about my experiences in view of the warning from your compatriot:

You REALLY know how to wound somebody - he's Australian!    (but a nice guy for all that).

Later on I noticed that one Canadian man was visiting my page on the dating site more than once, but he didn’t  send me a word. Of course I went to see his profile  . I liked what he wrote about himself and his expectations about a woman he was looking for. I told to myself that I need to do something about his shyness  ,  and sent him my introduction message (that was the first and last introduction initiated by me in dating). One year later I accepted his proposal – this time it was his initiative. Now he is teasing me that I found him and chased until he married me .

It's nice to know that warnings about women making the first contact are not always correct.  It's good to see that you can have a happy ending, no matter who initiates the relationship.  I'm glad that things are going so well.

[Patagonie]

Thank you to share with us your story. You live in a very beautiful city and country. I would like to live in Almaty.

[BBC]

You REALLY know how to wound somebody - he's Australian!    (but a nice guy for all that).
 

O-o-ps... . You know, flag signs here are so little that they look identical for my Russian eyes  . Wound? Little comment you put in brackets above is worth my mistake, isn’t it?   

[BBC]

It's nice to know that warnings about women making the first contact are not always correct.  It's good to see that you can have a happy ending, no matter who initiates the relationship.  I'm glad that things are going so well.

Thank you. At that time I did not realize that women which contacted first could be considered as scamers, but my husband saw the red flag in my contact to him, he was watchful at the extent he could.  Also, as per his perception, scam ladies know what to tell to men to hook them. So, the fact that I wrote mostly what matched his own views and expectations was… not in my favor in the first day or two. 
But after some “background checks” he relaxed. He admitted to me that he googled my name and found it in the list of the business school graduates in Almaty, also he thoroughly investigated my facebook account and related connections to friends, colleagues, employer. Significant good sign for him was that during the work day I could e-mail him from my corporate e-mail address where my name and my employer’s server name matched with what I told him earlier. The only time when I figured out that he worries about my “reality” was when he asked to send him my passport details and address, so that he could “draft the letter of invitation” for me to apply for Canadian visa – it was rather too early in my opinion, in the very beginning of our communication, but I send him the scan copy of my passport without further questions – just for the piece of his mind. As for me, poor woman, naive and trustful, I relied on my intuition which fortunately worked perfectly in that particular case. 

[BBC]

Thank you to share with us your story. You live in a very beautiful city and country. I would like to live in Almaty.

Almaty is 2 million city and I ‘d say it’s one of the best places in Kazakhstan to visit. I can’t tell much about old architectural sightseeing as Almaty was fully destroyed about 100 years ago after the earthquake, so today the city panoramas mostly include typical Soviet apartment buildings, or post-Soviet business and shopping centers. But the nature is remarkable, green lines of trees and parks completely hide 'khruschevka' buildings and you can see ever-white peaks of the mountains above the trees. Various tours to the city surroundings are very popular and worth to take (mountains, lakes, canyon). You are right, Almaty is nice place to live, or simply to visit for romance  .

[Patagonie]

You are very close to China, is it difficult to go ?
What about the skiing possibilities ?
And what about the dating scene locally for a woman ?


Yes i think that your country or Georgia has a lot to offer to tourism, which unfortunately unknows you.

[BBC]

You are very close to China, is it difficult to go ?
What about the skiing possibilities ?
And what about the dating scene locally for a woman ?

China is just across the border - very close, a lot of routes via airlines, trains, buses, depending on the final destination and your budget.

Almaty has good infrastructure for skiing. It takes less than 1 hour to get to the skiing places by car, there are few of them. Prices not cheapest for this type of entertainment, most recommendable scenario to rent apartment in the city, have your own skiing equipment, and gl who has a car capable to drive in mountains  .

Dating scene locally for a woman... I am not sure I can write the guide about dating girls in Almaty, however IMHO it's as accessible area for this purpose as Russia, Ukraine, I don't see much difference. You will meet as Asian looking girls (majority are ethnically Kazakh), so Slavic (Russian, Ukrainian, German, other) girls here, fluency in English is common especially for age 30 and less. People are friendly and easy to find a help from. You'll meet foreigners here everyday, everywhere. I know a lot of expatriates married local girls, but I don't know anybody among them willing to relocate permanently in Kazakhstan, though.

[Larry1]

The only time when I figured out that he worries about my “reality” was when he asked to send him my passport details and address, so that he could “draft the letter of invitation” for me to apply for Canadian visa – it was rather too early in my opinion, in the very beginning of our communication, but I send him the scan copy of my passport without further questions – just for the piece of his mind. As for me, poor woman, naive and trustful, I relied on my intuition which fortunately worked perfectly in that particular case. 

He was lucky.  Many FSUW would have taken umbrage at that request and the budding relationship would have gone off the tracks.

[calmissile]

Welcome to the forum BBC.   I  look forward to reading your posts.

[BBC]

He was lucky.  Many FSUW would have taken umbrage at that request and the budding relationship would have gone off the tracks.

I guess, many of us tend to be more tolerant to those who we really-really like. I wouldn't provide my passport copy to everybody I was in contact at their first request, but that case was very special  .

On the other hand, perhaps, if you have a feel that similar request may ruin your starting relationship, you first explain her the grounds behind it. The feedback can tell you a lot about the girl.

[Anotherkiwi]

...On the other hand, perhaps, if you have a feel that similar request may ruin your starting relationship, you first explain her the grounds behind it. The feedback can tell you a lot about the girl.

Wow! Looks like we have another GOMG on our hands!    You are a very welcome addition to this forum.

[onlyFSU4me]

Anotherkiwi, I better not to post details about my experiences in view of the warning from your compatriot:

If to leave out some details  , my experiences during first months on the dating site failed either at the stage of e-mails/skyping, or after the first meetings. For some reason I was passive and waiting for PMs from men, I didn’t start communication myself - may be that was the influence of being grown up in the muslim country, I don’t know.
Later on I noticed that one Canadian man was visiting my page on the dating site more than once, but he didn’t  send me a word. Of course I went to see his profile  . I liked what he wrote about himself and his expectations about a woman he was looking for. I told to myself that I need to do something about his shyness  ,  and sent him my introduction message (that was the first and last introduction initiated by me in dating). One year later I accepted his proposal – this time it was his initiative. Now he is teasing me that I found him and chased until he married me .

We were lucky in terms of obtaining Canadian temporary travel visas for me. First time I applied for multiple entry visa for 1 year, but got single-entry for 6 months, however it was enough for the first meeting (2 weeks)  - I was hooked completely during that visit  . After return from Canada I again applied for multiple 1-year visa, but got multiple entry good for 3 years! This whole issue with visas was probably critical for the success of our relationship as it removed the main obstacle for us to meet. I could afford to take 6-months unpaid leave, so I went to Canada for more serious “probation period” as it was important to see how we get along with each other in longer terms while sharing the same territory  . This time I went back to Kazakhstan as a married woman. Afterwards we met in Europe for honey moon and I also had one more long visit of my husband in 2012. Last December (after long waiting) I got Canadian immigrant visas for me and my daughter -  we are all looking forward to new life in Canada.

Thanks to all for your warm welcome!

 Hello BBC, and welcome! 


 It was great to hear that you were able to get a visitor visa and come see what life with your now husband would be like. My Ukrainian wife and I were married July 2011 in Ukraine and last August she was also accepted for a visitor visa while we were waiting for her spousal visa to go through. Like you said, it was a great chance to see how we would get along when living together. I think it was a harder test than when she would actually be a resident because she could not work while on the visitor visa, so it was quite a challenge to keep her occupied sometimes! 
[size=78%] But we made it through the 4 months without a divorce, so I think it went quite well! And at the start of December she went back to Ukraine to wait for her visa to be accepted. Last monday we finally got an email saying she was accepted so now, just like you, she will be coming to Canada soon![/size]

[size=78%] So I wish you the best of luck and hope you love living in Canada. You are lucky to be moving to probably the most beautiful part of the country![/size]