Beaten in Odessa

[Shadow]

Shadow, direct contact with embassy which was not reported and then locally to city.  When I saw this thread, I had to join this site as its a serious matter.  But did not make sense when I see the OP's previous threads prior to the incident thread. 

While I do not doubt the possibility of this being the case, I wonder how someone in the US can have more knowledge than the OP.
Either you are more involved than you wish to disclose here, or you are acting on a 'hunch'.

[Hammer2722]

While I do not doubt the possibility of this being the case, I wonder how someone in the US can have more knowledge than the OP.
Either you are more involved than you wish to disclose here, or you are acting on a 'hunch'.

Or perhaps just trolling to create more drama?

[jone]

Give me a break!

Like the reason that this guy got beaten up was because he was dating a less than desirable trampy woman.  And her boyfriend was jealous.  And he had previous contact with these people who beat him up.  So in the process of beating him up to stay away, they just happened to take everything of value, money, computers, iPads?  That, of course, was an afterthought.  The real reason they were there was because of jealousy...... NOT!

I'm sorry Cobra, but your theories do not carry water.  And your grammar leaves a little to be desired.  The posts do not look like the musings of a man in the know, or with great wisdom.  If you have factual data, then spill it.  But I personally verified segments of the ops story, to my level of satisfaction.  And to call him out, well, you may just as well call out other people of dubious origins.  Like Mother Teresa.

My question for you mirrors ML's.  What is your motive for trashing the op?

[Chelseaboy]

Cobra,
         Can you explain why the girl was on the Anastasia site,as has now been confirmed by them,if she had a rich local boyfriend who was going to arrange the beating-up of any foreign men she dated.?
Are you saying that no foreign men should go and date  attractive Russian/Ukrainian girls on western-facing dating sites,in case she has a rich local boyfriend,who will have said foreign mens heads caved-in ?
 
Maybe you could start a new service for foreign men considering dating these girls,by vetting these girls to see if they have rich local boyfriends.
 
Or maybe foreign guys should stick to dating just the unattractive Ukrainian/Russian girls the local guys don't want ?
 
 

[BillyB]

the alleged victim was seen with another mans woman.  He was warned to stay away from her.  He did not.  Also, nothing has been reported with the US Embassy in Ukraine - why not? 

No one is going to be in jail long. 

Cobra, where did you get your information from? A girl who puts herself up at a marriage agency is thought to be single until proven guilty. How do you know she had a boyfriend and who warned the victim to stay away from the girl?


How do you know this incident wasn't reported to the embassy? Have you talked to someone there? You're listed as married and home country listed as USA and spouse's country listed as Russia. Are you living in Ukraine?


Why isn't anyone going to spend significant time in jail? Beating up a guy is one thing for knowingly dating his girlfriend, attempted murder is another. How do you read the cops and prosecutor in Odessa are ok with that? Know someone on the inside?

[Patagonie]

It doesn't make any sense. The girl in the appartement asked the victim to open the door if i read well. Why she will send him to open the door if she knows that her BF is in front of the door ?

[mies]

Shadow, direct contact with embassy which was not reported and then locally to city.  When I saw this thread, I had to join this site as its a serious matter.  But did not make sense when I see the OP's previous threads prior to the incident thread. 

Its actually very common for a RM to beat up a foreign man dating his woman.  Happens more than you think especially when you try dating the real young hot ones who have rich boyfriends.

The men involved where not the boyfriend either.  They also followed the woman to the apartment to find where the man was. 

To be fair the the OP I think he is telling the truth on what has been told to him.  But the OP is not a native speaker and how would he know what the police are saying.  Police do not speak English well in Odessa.

Story is really hard to follow from the OP and it appears he is  trying to gain business from someone elses misfortune.

Note to future travellers - if a RW is very young and looks like a model make sure she does not have a rich Russian or Ukrainian boyfriend.  They tend to be jealous and believe their above the law.

Cobra, the motives of the attackers make no difference here, what the attackers did is a very serious crime in Ukraine, actually, a number of very serious crimes, punishable by up to 15 years of jail time. So all your remarks about "special bit of information" and "OP is not telling all the details" are rather irrelevant in this case. The attackers committed serious crimes, they should go to jail.
It's like when a raider tells competitor "give me your business for free or I'll kill you," and then actually does kill the competitor - it is still a murder, doesn't matter if the victim was warned or not.

As for fights used to establish "property rights for woman" - I think they probably are somewhat common in Ukraine. When I was hot and young (LMAO), two guys had a "territorial conflict" about me, after one of them didn't like to see me dancing with another guy at the party. Result: broken nose for one of the guys, broken fist for another, and few other injuries for both. None of them was my boyfriend, they just thought it was the right thing to do, to decide this way who has the right to be my boyfriend.

[mies]

Or perhaps just trolling to create more drama?

perhaps.

[mies]

It doesn't make any sense. The girl in the appartement asked the victim to open the door if i read well. Why she will send him to open the door if she knows that her BF is in front of the door ?

That's because Cobra is using smoke and shadows.

[Daveman]

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As for fights used to establish "property rights for woman" - I think they probably are somewhat common in Ukraine. When I was hot and young (LMAO), two guys had a "territorial conflict" about me, after one of them didn't like to see me dancing with another guy at the party. Result: broken nose for one of the guys, broken fist for another, and few other injuries for both. None of them was my boyfriend, they just thought it was the right thing to do, to decide this way who has the right to be my boyfriend.

Yeah it happens.. I have to admit, I seriously wanted to kick "jaguar man's" ass when you shared that story... 

[mies]

Yeah it happens.. I have to admit, I seriously wanted to kick "jaguar man's" ass when you shared that story... 

Hahahah... this is too funny 

[Anotherkiwi]

...When I was hot and young (LMAO)...

Don't sell yourself short - to most guys on here you (at 30-ish) are still hot and young (as well as having a brilliant brain)!  If you weren't already married there would surely be a queue of hopeful men from here via Ukraine to where you now live. 
 
I, too, think that cobra seems to be making mischief.  If another of our members has been able to independently verify at least part of vaiano's story (as they have), that should be the end of it.  I continue to wish the victim a speedy recovery, and hope that he will be able to return home as soon as planned.

[vaiano777]

Should I even address Cobra's responses? The representative from the Embassy interviewed the victim in person Monday. She (yes it was a female) happened to be in Odessa for something else, when she heard about the incident and visited him in the hospital.

Also, there is an American Consulate contact in Odessa, and that gentleman, an insanely nice, generous, family man who has been here for almost 11 years, has visited the victim numerous times, he and his wife provided food, clothing, and moral support, and had been present for almost every interaction with the police as well.

So, that being said, what else do I need to respond to?

I've got things to do. Please keep the victim in your prayers, as he will be going to the doctor again tomorrow, and would really like to get cleared to travel back to the US.

 

[Hammer2722]

Should I even address Cobra's responses? The representative from the Embassy interviewed the victim in person Monday. She (yes it was a female) happened to be in Odessa for something else, when she heard about the incident and visited him in the hospital.

Also, there is an American Consulate contact in Odessa, and that gentleman, an insanely nice, generous, family man who has been here for almost 11 years, has visited the victim numerous times, he and his wife provided food, clothing, and moral support, and had been present for almost every interaction with the police as well.

So, that being said, what else do I need to respond to?

I've got things to do. Please keep the victim in your prayers, as he will be going to the doctor again tomorrow, and would really like to get cleared to travel back to the US.

Yeah, just what I thought. He was just being a Troll!!!    He is definitely in my prayers Vincent.

[Chicagoguy]

Good Work Vaiano !!
I would like to have you in my corner if ever needed.

[alex330]

Wife talked to a girlfriend who works with Anastasia. She says it did happen, but not much media on it.

http://eho-ua.com/2013/02/05/prikljuchenija_inostranca_v_odesse_obmanuli_izbili_ograbili.html

[jone]

Wife talked to a girlfriend who works with Anastasia. She says it did happen, but not much media on it.

http://eho-ua.com/2013/02/05/prikljuchenija_inostranca_v_odesse_obmanuli_izbili_ograbili.html

I have seen some amazing stories before, but this one is incredible.   In the headline it says that the foreigner was cheated, but not by whom.  There is absolutely NO mention of Anastasia Date.  But it calls out the woman, by (what I believe) is her posted name.  It also claims that the entire episode was masterminded by the man.

WHAT A WHITEWASH!

Not much of investigative reporting in Odessa!  Too bad.

[Belvis]

Wife talked to a girlfriend who works with Anastasia. She says it did happen, but not much media on it.

http://eho-ua.com/2013/02/05/prikljuchenija_inostranca_v_odesse_obmanuli_izbili_ograbili.html

Basic translation:
Police department employees detained on suspicion of robbery a 34-y.o. man from Odessa who has a criminal record.

This was reported in the press service of the State Ministry of Interior of Ukraine in Odessa region.

The detainee admitted that he and his female partner  named Christina had entered the apartment that was rented by a foreigner. The criminal couple brutally beat a visitor who had come for a vacation and stole from his apartment two laptops, two prestigious tablet, mobile phone, bag and money in the amount of $ 900.

[ghost of moon goddess]

 On 04.02 2013 Odesa city portal "Одесская жизнь" reported that a criminal investigation into this robbery had been launched. http://odessa-life.od.ua/news/9363-odessit-s-podelnicei-izbil-i-ograbil-inostranca
The type of crime the local man and woman are accused of committing falls under Article 187 (item 3) of Criminal Code of Ukraine, which means that if they are found guilty the two shall be liable to a punishment of imprisonment from 7 years to 12 years, and with confiscation of property.

[mies]

Don't sell yourself short

Thank you, Anotherkiwi, for your kind words

The last time when I was bored, I practiced my charms with the lead singer of some moderately unknown US band, a handsome, tall & toned gay guy about 8 years my junior.
We went to the concert of this band with my husband. The singer got interested in me to the point that it made his boyfriend very jealous. My husband was at first mildly amused and then greatly entertained by the development and the view of gay couple fighting over a woman. Now I can proudly add "caused a jealous fight in gay couple" to the list of my personal achievements. 
Another time I was walking in downtown with my friend, and homeless guy offered to buy me a beer instead of asking me for money. Not sure to which category should this experience be assigned. It nearly shattered my self-confidence, but now I have another real-life anecdote in my private collection. 

Sorry for off-topc-ing in this serious thread.

[CDW]

It doesn't make any sense. The girl in the appartement asked the victim to open the door if i read well. Why she will send him to open the door if she knows that her BF is in front of the door ?

Yes your correct.  This girl is as guilty as these 2 cowards

[CDW]

despite of the incident, I still cannot believe how idiotic the victim was, by bringing TWO laptops, TWO iPads!!

[Hammer2722]

despite of the incident, I still cannot believe how idiotic the victim was, by bringing TWO laptops, TWO iPads!!

You obviously have not been reading the thread well enough. He brought them because he was using them for work from what Vincent posted!!!! 

[CDW]

You obviously have not been reading the thread well enough. He brought them because he was using them for work from what Vincent posted!!!! 

work or not, still TWO each!!!

[jone]

I always carry duplicates of everything I need for work on a business trip.  It saves time and money.  And even if I am traveling for pleasure, it makes sense to have your work with you, if you can and have a backup.  But then again, I have had many years of traveling and I have never experienced anything like the victim experienced.  Talk about catastrophic.  That is one reason that I have my company on a cloud type network, so most of the work done from notebooks is captured immediately, no matter where I or any one of my employees is.