What is an MOB'er?

[Gator]

My God!   I posted yesterday at this time, and 4-5 pages have been added.   It is good to have such spirited threads.
 

...I refuse to believe, yet anyway, that there is only a handful of truly decent men in a sea of MOB crap.
 

Thanks Dave for highlighting this point because it is exactly what got my goat. 
 
I apologize for diverting from the string of posts about how  GQ mentored his wife.  I understand that this makes the RW posters gush; however, this is our job as husbands when we bring our wives to a strange land.  So why the gushing?  GQ did his job and I assert there are many other men doing the same - they simply don't write about it so much.
 
Let's consider one example.  The last I knew Turbo's wife VWRW was earning the highest marks in a difficult business curriculum with plans for more, much more study.   Does Turbo log onto RWD and toot his horn?  To the contrary, he is self-deprecating and I believe some of your dimwits are taking his words at face value rather than appreciating the truth.  Yet GQ would probably call him a social reject or old geyser.
 
Another example, JB's wife.  She is a professor in mathematics.  I select these two guys because they are older than me, but not much.    There are many other such examples, and I assert they are not the exception.   To make judgments about people you have not met and never will meet is not intellectually vigorous; in fact, it makes people who do that as overly emotional.

GQ insulted my community, namely RWD, saying that the majority are social rejects and old geysers.  What the hell?  This got my goat.
 
GQ is trying to back away from his preposterous insult by stating:
 

 I am on record Gator in case you are having difficulty reading these days. The MAJORITY of the AM/FSUW couples I have seen are comprised of men who are old geezers and social rejects. You want me to say that again?

That was Reply #60 in this thread.  But what did GQ write much earlier in Reply # 1, the one that got my goat.

The majority of them (yes, not all) are social rejects and old geezers. You can literally see that in their daily postings.

".....their daily postings."  Folks, he is not talking about the men at the AM-RW social gatherings he reluctantly attended.   He is talking about men who post.  And that would be RWD, namely you and me.
 
So GQ, if you are backing away from what you asserted in Reply #1, please let us know.   Or do you have secret files on each of us?  Or perhaps you are a psychic?   Or perhaps I am correct for saying that you have raised the bar for insolence.
 
A couple of final points.
 
 
 

Got to her senses one day and wondered what's gotten into her for being married to a man 40 years her senior?

Why do you constantly twist facts?  That would be like me saying you are 5' 4" when I know you are short but not that short.

Final point.
 

So you are either senile or just a two-bit liar. To me, you are both.

I have many faults, but dishonesty is not one of them. I am an honorable man, and my word is my honor.  I now have problems with your delusional arrogance, but you will make it worse by calling me a liar. 

I had no real problem with your list of 17 MOB "No No's."  Your attitude towards me and the majority of RWD is that of a jerk.  Be a jerk if you want.  But what does that say about you?   Boethius suggests your attitude reflects the fact that you came from a third world country and have seen good people taken advantaged of.  I suggest that you not let this blur your observations nor cloud your judgment.
 
Have a good day.
 

[Gator]

Misha and Ade,
 
I congratulate you on the expected and recent flyovers by the stork.
 
My kids were my greatest source of joy.  I wish only that I had more, hence my attraction to RW with lovable kids.  They are precious.  Try to remember that when walking with her cuddled in your arms in the middle of the night.

[GQBlues]

...I have many faults...

Yes, I know.

...but dishonesty is not one of them....

Why is it the first thing a guilty man pleads is he is innocent. LOL

...I had no real problem with your list of 17 MOB "No No's."  Your attitude towards me and the majority of RWD is that of a jerk....

You really had scaled down to an even lower pathetic state. Subliminally calling the troops? LOL. I didn't think it was possible, but yup, there you go...

....Be a jerk if you want....

LOL. After parsing through your latest diatribe, I just can't help but laugh, LOL.

... But what does that say about you?...

That I'm a sexy thang.. ...and what does that say about you - nah, forget it.

Time's a wastin' man...make hey and make the best of the last few, know what I mean? Why spend it by getting your panties all tied up over a message board...must be tough to be so irrelevant all of the sudden, eh?

[steviej]

Let me see if I have this right:  this GQClown expends an enormous amount of time, money an effort, even an WMVM apparently, to go half way around the world and snatch a hot young [woman], fished from Ukraine. Geez ... I've never heard of anyone doing that before!     This guy is really breaking new ground. He is so totally not an MOB-er    What a hero!!

[GQBlues]

Let me see if I have this right:  this GQClown expends an enormous amount of time, money an effort, even an WMVM apparently, to go half way around the world and snatch a hot young [woman], fished from Ukraine. Geez ... I've never heard of anyone doing that before!     This guy is really breaking new ground. He is so totally not an MOB-er    What a hero!!

You knew the band of social rejects will soon be coming out of their holes...you could at least get your stupid story straight.

Didn't old fart Gator drill you first? Now go fetch the old man a glass of water...

Let's see who's next, LOL.

[steviej]

You knew the band of social rejects will soon be coming out of their holes...you could at least get your stupid story straight.

Didn't old fart Gator drill you first? Now go fetch the old man a glass of water...

Let's see who's next, LOL.

Did you get a hot young [woman] from Ukraine or not? Yes or no? That's the only relevant fact regarding you

[LiveFromUkraine]

Did you get a hot young [woman] from Ukraine or not? Yes or no? That's the only relevant fact regarding you

While I am sure GQ's wife is attractive, I think we need to draw the line when referring to wives or girlfriends as a hot piece of ass. 


Wives and girlfriends are off limits.

[steviej]

While I am sure GQ's wife is attractive, I think we need to draw the line when referring to wives or girlfriends as a hot piece of ass. 


Wives and girlfriends are off limits.

You gotta get the facts straight, Live. That's no insult to anyone.

[AnonMod]

Your posts have violated several of the forum's TOS.  You may wish to refamiliarize yourself with them before posting again.

You will also note a spouse's country of origin in a poster's profile, if a poster chooses to share that information.

[Daveman]

You gotta get the facts straight, Live. That's no insult to anyone.

Actually, it is.  It's insulting to *RWD*.

[GQBlues]

Did you get a hot young [******] from Ukraine or not? Yes or no? That's the only relevant fact regarding you

Speaking of relevancy, Gator's latest sidekick is another fine example of the typical MOBers..

I just knew sooner than later they'll come marching in and prove my point all by themselves.


Next. This one was too easy.

[Gator]

GQ,
You are up early, endeavoring to shout another round of insults before heading to work.  It is apparent that you enjoy this.
 

You really had scaled down to an even lower pathetic state. Subliminally calling the troops? LOL. I didn't think it was possible, but yup, there you go...

Call the troops?  I merely pointed out (using your words from this thread) that you called the majority of RWD posters "social rejects or old geysers."  And you do not deny insulting the majority of RWD 

That I'm a sexy thang.. ...and what does that say about you - nah, forget it.

My long history would surprise you (God bless their sweet souls). I admit that  I approach the age when having sex will be akin to playing billiards with a rope.  I have been told that hormones change such that one is indifferent.   OTOH consider my deceased father-in-law who at age 92 consummated  his marriage to a 65-yo, and sadly he died a few months later (us sad, he happy).  I know it is a bad visual, and you would probably criticize the two of them for finding fleeting happiness together.
 

Why spend it by getting your panties all tied up over a message board...must be tough to be so irrelevant all of the sudden, eh?

Again pot...kettle....black.  Please skim all your posts for the past two years.  I see an agitated man.  What do you see? 
 
Regarding my posts, I still seem relaxed with life, yet I admit that I demonstrate  less tolerance for judgmental people, especially the sanctimonious type.
 
As people age, many become wiser and develop a deep respect for life, particularly life's many blessings.  Have you ever noticed the contentment many seniors display?  And others just become miserable, bitter old people living alone.    Your attitude suggests that you are headed for the second option.

[Gator]

Let me add this up:

-   At RW social gatherings, you can find nothing of interest to discuss with any of the husbands.

-  You like cats.

-  You iron wife's clothes, including her frilly blouses.

-  Though unexpressed, you probably love quiche.

-  You marry a woman who towers in height over you.
 

Yes, indeed, you are different from the vast majority of men. 
 

[Misha]

Misha and Ade,
 
I congratulate you on the expected and recent flyovers by the stork.
 
My kids were my greatest source of joy.  I wish only that I had more, hence my attraction to RW with lovable kids.  They are precious.  Try to remember that when walking with her cuddled in your arms in the middle of the night.

Thanks Gator! My wife and I are certainly looking forward to it

[Faux Pas]

Thanks Gator! My wife and I are certainly looking forward to it

Misha, my hearty congratulations as well! You do know what causes that right? 

[Misha]

Misha, my hearty congratulations as well! You do know what causes that right? 

Thanks. As for the latter comment, practice makes perfect 

[Faux Pas]

Thanks. As for the latter comment, practice makes perfect 

Becareful, sometimes they come in pairs and repeatedly and there isn't no sending them back 

[Misha]

Becareful, sometimes they come in pairs and repeatedly and there isn't no sending them back 

LOL! God willing, we will take them all

[GQBlues]

GQ,
You are up early, endeavoring to shout another round of insults before heading to work.  It is apparent that you enjoy this...

I just enjoy life altogether, you know. Unlike you who get all riled up on such silly things like a message board. But hey, not everyone can be cool like me...
 

...Call the troops?  I merely pointed out (using your words from this thread) that you called the majority of RWD posters "social rejects or old geysers."  And you do not deny insulting the majority of RWD  ...

Like I said, if the shoe fits. You and others like you can identify with the list I posted as a response to Daveman's inquiry - then BINGO! Ching-ching...Truth hurts, man.

...My long history would surprise you (God bless their sweet souls). I admit that  I approach the age when having sex will be akin to playing billiards with a rope.  I have been told that hormones change such that one is indifferent.   OTOH consider my deceased father-in-law who at age 92 consummated  his marriage to a 65-yo, and sadly he died a few months later (us sad, he happy).  I know it is a bad visual, and you would probably criticize the two of them for finding fleeting happiness together....

Then you should've know better that even your FIL had a 27 year old limit...you were flying over 30 close to 40, Gator. WTF? (In our biz...lol...that acronym stands for 'What's the Forecast!")

 

...Again pot...kettle....black.  Please skim all your posts for the past two years.  I see an agitated man.  What do you see?..

I see a sexy man. I see an old fart, worn-out, stooge when I glance your way.
 
But no need. I just merely call things for what they are. Again - YOU are an old fart, unless you'd like to believe otherwise then that's up to you. MANY , maybe the vast majority, of the folks involved in this venture - and even those who posts in this very forum - are social rejects. Why is this so tough for you to admit.  If they can relate to the list, like you did, they're either an old fart or a social reject. Simple.
 

...Regarding my posts, I still seem relaxed with life, yet I admit that I demonstrate  less tolerance for judgmental people, especially the sanctimonious type....

Relaxed? LOL. Dude you came royally unglued when you read my list because it hit home like the Chelyabinsk meteor.
 
Again....it isn't *being* judgmental for anyone to state facts and reality. You are an old fart! What really bites is it is very likely every single person can see that, too...especially those close to you.

 
LOL...if you really want to *help* newbies and this community at large - then start by telling everyone EXACTLY what they shouldn't be doing BASED on YOUR personal experience. Don't be so obtuse and hypocritical. You are a walking 'what-not-to-do-and-be'...

You led your wife hunting with $$ and it blew right out of your butt. Then you have the fortitude to repeatedly announce the woman you wined and dined for 6 years running was good for nothing more than a travel companion. What do you expect when you throw money around in regions where the general population are collectively not as economically fortunate as the few? Then if that isn't enough, you turn right around right after your divorce and do the exact same thing again except this time you do it with someone who doesn't even speak English. WTF? (What's the Forecast?)
 
Do you ever stopped and wonder that things like Scams, Fraud, etc...are cause by the earth's grimes like you? What do you think sits in these people's mind when they see foreign scumbags like you swivel monies around for their personal favor and gain in their home countries?
 
Then you even filed a K-1 as a trial run to boot because she can't qualify for a tourist visa. That's breaking the law, chomp. Do you freakin' honestly believe you don't symbolize all thats wrong in this silly venture?
 
Then you come here and tell me all that's wrong with ME?
 
You're blatantly irrelevant old man. All your self-acclaimed accomplishments in life gave you nothing but an empty bag of regrets. That's a freakin' sad way to go into the sunset old man.
 
This last bit is just freaking funny:
 
"As people age, many become wiser and develop a deep respect for life, particularly life's many blessings.  Have you ever noticed the contentment many seniors display?  And others just become miserable, bitter old people living alone.    Your attitude suggests that you are headed for the second option..."

[Ranetka]

Before anybody got banned can I politely suggest to the moderators to kindly move this thread into Anything goes section?

[Gator]

Before anybody got banned can I politely suggest to the moderators to kindly move this thread into Anything goes section?

Thanks, Ranetka, but I am not so riled as to break the TOS, much less make shit up.   For sure I will not attack wives.  I even give the RW some leeway regarding righteous moralistic attitudes, but not men, especially men who claim to be superior.
 

[Daveman]

Before anybody got banned can I politely suggest to the moderators to kindly move this thread into Anything goes section?

Actually, from a completely non-emotional, non judgmental viewpoint, this is an *excellent* thread.  Yes, it is over the top in some ways, and it is rather ugly in others, but there are many golden nuggets and a diamond or two here - perhaps covered in a bit of slimy residue, but nuggets none the less - in a variety of shapes and sizes.


I suggest that everyone take it down a notch or two and (quite a bit) less seriously.

[Gator]

I just enjoy life altogether, you know. Unlike you who get all riled up on such silly things like a message board. But hey, not everyone can be cool like me...

Thank God not everyone is like you.  And your positive attitude shows clearly in your acrimonious posts.  [sarcasm]
 

 

Then you should've know better that even your FIL had a 27 year old limit...you were flying over 30 close to 40, Gator. 

Again, making shit up!   It was just over 30, 32 IIRC.  While some are succeeding with an even a greater age disparity, I agree that it was too much  I knew the risks involved, and I accepted the negative consequences  Did I come to the board and complain that she misled me?  No.  I am a well adjusted man who takes responsibility for his actions, remedies the mess,  and moves on.


 

I see a sexy man. I see an old fart, worn-out, stooge when I glance your way.

 
 
You really enjoy throwing insults at people.  People do that when a) they have limited intellectual capacity or b) they grew up in that environment and have not yet learned to be better, or c) they are smart but antisocial.
 

If they can relate to the list, like you did, they're either an old fart or a
social reject. Simple.

Maybe it is the lack of intellectual capacity, because you keep repeating the same 4-letter word and can not think of a surrogate.   Please count the number of times you say "old fart."   I do see that you have used "scumbag."   Yes, that's another  glorious word demonstrating the depth of your intellect.
 
 

 

LOL...if you really want to *help* newbies and this community at large - then start by telling everyone EXACTLY what they shouldn't be doing BASED on YOUR personal experience. Don't be so obtuse and hypocritical. You are a walking 'what-not-to-do-and-be'...

My Moscow woman was perfect for me after the end of my 25-year marriage.  I am happy for the time we had together.  Those RW who knew far more than you say my mistake was not marrying her sooner when she was first ready and committed rather than dragging it out and even interrupting it.

You led your wife hunting with $$ and it blew right out of your butt.

You don't know.  On my first trip I stayed in an expensive Moscow hotel but I did not fly women in.  And you?   After that I became fairly frugal, except that I enjoy dining and do not mind paying for interesting, well prepared cuisine.  And while I consider myself a generous man, a couple of RW have told me that RM are more generous. 
 
You have mentioned $$ several times.  If  this bothers you, I suggest you work smarter and harder rather than wasting your time responding to posts from people holding up a mirror, or send your wive's blouses to a laundry (how much are you saving by ironing her clothes).
 

Then if that isn't enough, you turn right around right after your divorce and do
the exact same thing again except this time you do it with someone who doesn't
even speak English. WTF? (What's the Forecast?)

The lack of English was an obstacle and we overcame it regarding our relationship.  However, it manifested itself in another way that I never expected, namely the ability to befriend AW.  A lesson for anyone still reading this mess.   
 

What do you think sits in these people's mind when they see foreign scumbags
like you swivel monies around for their personal favor and gain in their home
countries?

You are harboring animosity built I presume from your youth, as Boethius commented.  I gave you advice before.

 

Then you even filed a K-1 as a trial run to boot because she can't qualify
for a tourist visa. That's breaking the law, chomp. Do you freakin' honestly
believe you don't symbolize all thats wrong in this silly venture?

Again you are wrong, wrong, wrong.   She came here for a year, entering via a tourist visa.  We never did a K-1.
 

 

You're blatantly irrelevant old man. All your self-acclaimed accomplishments in
life gave you nothing but an empty bag of regrets. That's a freakin' sad way to
go into the sunset old man.

Very judgmental Matty boy.  I am not sure of this source as it sounds more like Voltaire: supposedly Jos Mart, the hero of Cuban independence, named the things that every man ought to do before he dies.  He reportedly said: "Plant a tree, write a book, have a son."  I have done these, a thousand trees, a book published by McGraw-Hill and used at 200 universities, and two sons (plus a stepson and stepdaughter).  Where are you Matty Boy?  Tic.... toc.... tic.....toc.
 
 

"As people age, many become wiser and develop a deep respect for life, particularly life's many blessings.  Have you ever noticed the contentment many seniors display?  And others just become miserable, bitter old people living alone.    Your attitude suggests that you are headed for the second option..."

I should have known this would go over your head. 

[Gator]

Actually, from a completely non-emotional, non judgmental viewpoint, this is an *excellent* thread.  Yes, it is over the top in some ways, and it is rather ugly in others, but there are many golden nuggets and a diamond or two here - perhaps covered in a bit of slimy residue, but nuggets none the less - in a variety of shapes and sizes.


I suggest that everyone take it down a notch or two and (quite a bit) less seriously.

Seeking constructive substance, how about some suggestions for expanding GQ's list of what it takes to be a MOBer.  Here's my quick thoughts:
 
1.  Marrying someone more than 15 years your junior.
2.  Marrying someone who barely started her university studies.
3.  Marrying someone after only a couple of visits together.
4.  Marrying someone who is vastly different in physical appearance than the women you normally date in America (such as standing 3-4 inches taller than you).
 
That would now give us a list of 20 ( combining the 2 in GQ's list that are virtually the same). 
 
Any others, anyone.
 
I also believe that adding these 4 would define the vast majority of men as MOBers.  It still does not establish that they are old geysers or social rejects.  For that declaration, we must depend on the RWD members with supernatural powers.

[Daveman]

Speaking of relevancy, Gator's latest sidekick is another fine example of the typical MOBers..

I just knew sooner than later they'll come marching in and prove my point all by themselves.


Next. This one was too easy.

While his comment was crass and uncalled for, the point remains.  Your situation doesn't appear to be different from any number of others to whom you refer as typical MOB'ers.. 


He may very well be a social reject by some arbitrary standard, but obviously it matters little as last year he celebrated his 10th anniversary:


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15063.msg307723#msg307723


You also denoted Misha as a social reject - who has been happily married for over five years.  As far as his story goes, he lived and worked there for a time which would make him less of an MOB'er than most of us.


I still don't think MOB'er even applies because it's a meaningless label. Basically, I wanted to date/marry an FSUW. I pursued, dated, broke up, dated again, until I found someone with whom I really wanted to build a future.  I did what I wanted to do and found someone who wishes to travel with me through this journey of life.  That's what you did. Misha did. Muzh... the list goes on. That's the alpha and omega.


From a certain perspective I am an MOB'er, a wife importer, whatever.  It makes no difference what label someone else places on it. Bottom line is that I'm quite happy with my life, my decisions, my history, all of it.  My wife seems to be quite happy too.  Other members are as well.  I may be a social reject too.  I couldn't care less - ignorance is bliss! heh.. At least it has never stopped me from going for - and getting - whatever I wanted.


You consider yourself unique and different.  That's fine. So am I.  The point is from at least one aspect - all who pursue/marry FSUW have something (or even a lot) in common.  Label it MOB, or whatever.  A decent analogy is a cruise.  We took the same ride - we may not all be the same; we may neither like nor associate with others around us, we may have gotten off at different stops, but we are or were all on that same ship.


I think this has less to do with MOB and more with the social clusters which always manifest.  RWD is no different.  We have some core groups which face off from time to time. We have those orbiting on the fringe.  It's amazing, nay, truly shocking that we have no differing opinions here..