Are FSUW (generally) better?

[vwrw]

Still not getting the definition of "better" from anyone.


But I'm guessing most of the MOB hunting dudes will come up with something along the lines of, "prettier, slimmer, deferential, younger, dress sense from the 70's".

In the context of the given threat, the term better refers to the extent of satisfying a man's criteria for selecting his potential wife.  Let's take you, for example. You must have some formulated and unconscious criteria that you apply in your search of your life partner. If those criteria can be satisfied to higher degree by  FSUW,  than FSUW are better for you in general. Vice verse, if those criteria can be satisfied to higher degree by AW, they are generally better for you.

There is no a singular definition of "better" that fits everybody's needs. What is treasure for one person may be garbage for another.  

[Misha]

There is no a singular definition of "better" that fits everybody's needs. What is treasure for one person may be garbage for another.  

Pretty much. What was true was the fact that dating was certainly easier in Russia and I expect that is still the case. It was much easier to meet many women on Russian dating sites. Whereas you would have to chat for weeks on Lavalife to meet someone for a coffee in my small city, in Russia I could go online and set up a date within an hour for that very evening. As dating is a numbers game, the more people you meet the more likely you will find somebody that you classify as best for you and have it reciprocated.


Also, there is one other difference as well: women in Russia still tend to get married a bit younger than is the case in Europe and North America. A woman in her mid-to-late-twenties who is not married, whose friends are already all married, and has not even dated any good candidates for months, will be much more interested in marriage if she finds somebody who fits her criteria as a good/better/best man for her. She won't need months or years to make up her mind as she will want to ensure that a good candidate won't slip through her fingers if he comes along, even if it means moving many leagues away from her home to be with him 

[Boethius]

In fact many of them prefer to remain single rather than marry a WW.  Only very few have the balls and finances to seek a foreign wife.  The millions of foreign wives brought home by our servicemen is an indication of what some WM prefer when the costs are not so great.

Untrue.  Statistically, more WM are married than single, and most of those men are married to WW.  As for servicemen, single young people tend to marry when they meet someone they love.  But I would hazard a guess that most American servicemen are married to American women, not foreigners.

I think you have
already convered some of the reasons why the divorce rates are so high in the FSU.   You can also add infidelity to the list which is purported to be rampad in FSU countries.

So infidelity doesn't exist in the West?  I think on this count, the numbers are about equal. 

[Muzh]

Most good WW are married and stay married. Many good RW won't get married just for the sake of it. They hold out until they find a suitable man  and are more likely available.


 Don't take my opinion for it. Go to a free dating site in America and in the FSU. Say Craigslist vs freepersonals. After looking at the photos and reading profiles, there's a huge difference among the average women from America and FSU. WW at Craigslist are more overweight and tend to be drug friendly. RW physically look like women, dress nicer, and have a more intelligent profile, higher education and they seem more geared for family, not independence and partying.

Bullshevik


Heh, Craigslist and freepersonals, eh?

Have you ever considered what you were looking at? DUH!

[Muzh]

I don't think that is why.  By the time FSUM hit their thirties, alcohol takes its toll among many.  More, proportionately, than in the West (and, I include drug addiction as well).  So, there are fewer available men.

Partly true but there are other reasons as well.  I am often told that divorced men in the FSU do not want to marry because they can have nearly all the benefits without the responsibilites of marriege by having a girlfriend. 

Furthermore I am told that many of the men in this category are lazy and expect their girlfriend or wife to support them.

So the combined reasons no doubt result in fewer desireable men for marriage.

You've been told wrong. Better yet, you've been fed an urban legend. That's more like it.

Many attractive women in the West who are divorced, particularly after age 40, don't necessarily wish to remarry.  They may want a companion, but they have sufficient income to survive on their own, and don't necessarily want marriage.  That is also a factor in why there are fewer available women. 

Partly true also.  However the middle aged women that are financially independent are often the ones that cannot compete with FSU women (in appearance) and are not looking for a husband because men are  not interested in them.

The 'hot' ones in this category have no problems finding a husband and many, if not most are entering into subsequent marriages.

The women libbers are not interested in a husband and the men are not interested in them.

More fallacy. All things being equal, women from both countries will be as fit as their environment. The WW living in a trailer park will look appropriate for her surroundings. The WW living in a middle class neighborhood, the same.

The 'hot ones' do have problems as any other woman does. She has to go through the weeding process. Do you think that because a woman is beautiful, only the best, most educated, prosperous, mentally balanced, shinning stars are the only ones who approach them? Trust me, they have a tougher time trying to pry away the veneer to find the real man under it.

Also, the women libbers? My wife is a feminist woman libber and she is very happy she is married to her man. Maybe what you are referring to are the women who refuse to submit to men.

Then, of course, there is the other side of the coin, which is to ask what do all these men seeking FSUW have to offer WW of equal beauty and intellect?  More than one (though note, I do not say all) I submit, cannot compete for these women, and that is why the look abroad.

True.  There are so few WW in this category that they are very much in demand.  There are not enough of them to go around, hence supply and demand.  The men search elsewhere.

Few??

The problem we have here is that MANY men doing this are so deluded that a 55 yo man who has a lot of difficulty shagging a 45 yo WW can ACTUALLY attract hundreds of 25 yo dyevs due to his good looks and charm.

In addition, these men do believe, actually fall hook, line and sinker that these 25 yo dyevs really DON'T care about the age difference and are willing to spend the rest of her live with Prince Valiant. Hence the comparison of 45 yo WW (apples) to 25 yo dyevs (oranges) is a valid assessment.

Boy, bridge for sale.

[Muzh]

Define "better" please because really, in any way I can think of, in the general sense, the answer is no.


Having said that, my wife is "better" for me, or more compatible with me to be precise, than other women I have met here or anywhere but that has more to do with her personality than her being a Russian.

Abso-fargin-lutely 

[Muzh]

I think your question is,

Are the FSUW you can attract generally better than WW? I would resoundingly say YES.

If you fish, you would know that some bait works better for certain types of fish. For instance, I like to use a doughy/sticky mix covered in mustard to fish surf perch (I like the flavor). So, I will take my bait to the rocks at the breakwater and go for these guys.

The same goes for women; I offer certain qualities that are appreciated more in certain cultures than in the US. Luckily for me, those qualities attract the type of women I desire.

Why are you thinking about this?

You don't want a woman. You want a fish.

I strongly suggest you stick to fishing.

[Muzh]

Generally, RW are not better. However, they are better relatively, meaning any particular western man can get a better deal in FSU than locally unless, of course,  perfectly spoken English is his major requirement for a potential life partner

LMAO

 

[Patagonie]

Better can be a highly personal term.  For one person much more beautiful might be the key thing in better for another they may care far less about the physical side and better educated might be the key point so I don't know if there is a one size fits all definition for "better"


Better


Russian women tend to be more fit and better built than AW
Russian women tend to be less of a feminist bent and to be more concerned with a good marriage and to dress in a more feminine manner.
Russian women tend to be better educated than American women
Many find the Slavic look to be more attractive than many American women


Better choices


As VWRW pointed out an AM can usually find woman in the FSU that would have little interest in him in America
RW tend to have less baggage than AW
He can more easily find a younger women who would be interested in him than he could find in America


Worse


Looking for a RW entails a much greater investment of time and money than an AW
If he feels a two income family is important this might be much more difficult with a RW
If he is unrealistic (or unlucky) in his search he stands a much greater chance of being a mule with a RW
The ongoing expenses with a RW can be much higher than with an American woman  (trips home, support of family etc)
The cultural differences can create a problem if a man is unrealistic in his expectations.
Meaningful communication can be difficult if her English is not good
There are other factors that can come up that the unaware may not be prepared for such as dental problems, etc
Many Russian women have no idea of budgets and how finances operate in America.


So are they better.   I am sure like many AM I would not have taken the time and investment to search in the FSU if I didn't think they were and that is a decision I have never regretted.  They are better in lots of important ways but there are ways that they are worse and for those whose priorities are different than mine they could well be worse.

Good post, i "plussoie" on every word

[alex330]

If you like the Slavic look and wind up finding a good woman from the FSU they are definitely "better" in many ways.
Turboguy points out just a few of many reasons.

[ML]

FSUW are 'better' than WW in only one feature:  'On average' they are more slender.

Another feature which is 'better,' for you at least, is that you can 'trade up' and get a FSUW who has better qualities in several categories compared to the WW you could obtain.  This is strictly due to economics and has nothing to do with your good looks, charm, intelligence, or achievements (except in a monetary sense).

After you con an FSUW to join you in the west (using any means possible), then your main job will be to keep her slender. 

This involves several means such as:

Not letting her drive a car or even use public transportation.  Make her walk everywhere, even where there are no sidewalks.  The anxiety of walking in traffic will also help a person lose weight.

Never allow bread in the house or the ingredients needed to make bread.  Employ her co-workers, etc., to report to you any intake of bread away from the house, and then take disciplinary action.

Use any measures necessary to convince her that there is actual poison in the food at any and all fast food establishments.

Have her do all the physical work at the home.  Best if you have a very large yard and garden for her to tend to; or even better have a large farm with no motorized equipment.

Keep a weight scale readily available and check her weight on a daily basis and particularly before the evening meal.  If she is over the limit . . . send her to bed without eating.

[ML]

. . . FSU they are definitely "better" in many ways.

No; on 'average' they are no better on most features than WW.

The only thing better, for you, is that you can use your economic power to move farther up the scale away from average in FSU.

[alex330]

No; on 'average' they are no better on most features than WW.

The only thing better, for you, is that you can use your economic power to move farther up the scale away from average in FSU.

That may be the case for some couples, but is definitely not our situation. I have dated some great looking and wonderful WW but none come close to my wife from Ukraine. Maybe my situation is unusual or I just lucked out, but add it to the collective experience.

[ML]

That may be the case for some couples, but is definitely not our situation. I have dated some great looking and wonderful WW but none come close to my wife from Ukraine. Maybe my situation is unusual or I just lucked out, but add it to the collective experience.

You are just verifying what I said.  You used your economic power to move further up the scale compared to what you had with WW.

[calmissile]

My wife is a feminist woman libber and she is very happy she is married to her man.

And this explains most of your posts.

I am happy to hear that she is lucky enough to have found a submissive man.  It is now much easier to put all your posts in context.

        

[Ade]

In the context of the given threat, the term better refers to the extent of satisfying a man's criteria for selecting his potential wife.  Let's take you, for example. You must have some formulated and unconscious criteria that you apply in your search of your life partner. If those criteria can be satisfied to higher degree by  FSUW,  than FSUW are better for you in general. Vice verse, if those criteria can be satisfied to higher degree by AW, they are generally better for you.

There is no a singular definition of "better" that fits everybody's needs. What is treasure for one person may be garbage for another.  

The reason I asked for a definition was because people were saying yes without even knowing how the OP defined "better"; was better looking, better dressed, better in bed, better cooks, better at convincing dumbarse western guys that they love them when all in fact they want is a green card and a divorce?


My "criteria" were always better satisfied by a person not a nationality and unless the guy has a fetish for the "Slavic look" I really do not see what FSUW have, generally speaking, than women from anywhere else. The list of characteristics I see attributed to them is as equally true (or not) as women from any other country.  So, I think all this "better" Malarkey is a fantasy sustained by deluded men.

[Boethius]

And this explains most of your posts.

I am happy to hear that she is lucky enough to have found a submissive man.  It is now much easier to put all your posts in context.

    

Why do you assume a feminist must marry a submissive man?  I'm a feminist and my man is by no means submissive. 

[Larry1]

Misha made an important point in reply #26 above: it's just easier to date most FSUW than most single AW.  He mentioned often having to spend weeks emailing or chatting before the AW would consent to meeting.  That has often been my experience.  Some AW would progress from email to telephone conversation to initial meeting fairly quickly, but many did not.  Some would insist on weeks of messaging.  And some were even more difficult.  Here are just a few examples from my years dating AW:

One insisted that I complete a 6 or 8 essay question test before she would even progress to giving me her phone number.  When I passed this test and got her phone number she asked additional questions, including which candidate I had voted for in the last governor's election in this state.  I told her that I hadn't voted.  Not to be deterred from finding out what everything she wanted to know, she asked me who I WOULD have voted for if I had voted.  My answer was the correct one and I was granted an in-person interview (what we in the quaint old days before internet dating would call "a date").  We went on several dates before she cancelled a date with a pretty lame excuse and never returned my call again.

I was on a date with another AW and the subject of dating tests arose.  I asked her whether she had any and she said yes.  Recently she had been dating a guy who had met her general specifications in terms of job, income, attractiveness, etc.  But when she asked him what dish he would order in a Chinese restaurant he blew his chances for further dates with her by answering "almond chicken".  Some of you might be scratching your heads at this, pondering why this would dampen a woman's ardor.  Well, she regarded herself as a foodie, and she didn't consider his answer to be sufficiently culinarily adventurous for her tastes.  From her reaction one might have guessed the guy had expressed a yin for hog jowls or squirrel.  I, as a reasonably knowledgeable and adventurous eater, passed her culinary tests but I evidently failed some subsequent test.

I have told this story to a few FSUW I have known and each of them was puzzled as to why someone would make a decision about continuing to see a guy based on something so trivial and, in the grand scheme of things, unimportant. 

These stories are just two of the many stories I have that lead me to believe that many single AW over age 35 who are not overweight have become extraordinarily picky.  I know from discussions with a number of these women that they get thousands of messages a year on their online dating accounts.  They know that if the guy they are corresponding with doesn't tick all her boxes, she can just go back online to audition the next batch of candidates.  Although my sample size for these is tiny, I have observed that AW who were in long-term marriages and recently divorced were not this way.  Although it's risky to draw any conclusions from a very small sample size, if this held true it would provide further support to my theory that online dating has changed dating behavior by making reasonably attractive and slender AW much more picky.

So I would re-cast the question: Are a fair number of single and available FSUW much more what I'm looking for than the vast majority of single and available AW?  The answer to this question is a resounding yes.

The FSUW I dated here in the US before beginning my FSUW search were ALL more open and easy to deal with than most of the AW I dated.  Not to mention slender, well-dressed, and a pleasure to date.

It's particularly interesting to read the firmly-held opinions of people 1) who have never dated AW or 2) whose experience in dating AW was decades ago, before online dating took hold and changed the dynamics of the dating world.

[Ade]

Why do you assume a feminist must marry a submissive man?  I'm a feminist and my man is by no means submissive.

Men [chuckle] like Doug feel emasculated around strong women and therefore he assumes that to be with one you have to be "submissive".

[alex330]

You are just verifying what I said.  You used your economic power to move further up the scale compared to what you had with WW.

I understand what you are trying to say and it probably holds some truth in many of the AM/RW relationships (although I believe this is changing more and more). I am not an economic powerhouse unfortunately, and if you knew our financial position you would realize economics has very little to do with our relationship or any others I have had. My wife's life has not changed much in that regard from her life in Ukraine. It has more to do with her upbringing, education, thoughtfulness, and great genetics. If you try to use an economic advantage in your relationship you will probably have issues down the road.

Some of the guys on another sites chat asked me to share a story several weeks ago, but I am normally a private person so decided not to at the time. If you already heard this on the chat, then feel free to skip over it.

Several weeks ago it was my birthday. After a long day at work I arrived home and upon opening the door was greeted by a brand new mountain bike sitting in the living room. My wife was nowhere to be found. I smiled and realized she had gone ahead and bought the bike so we could take bike rides to the beach together. Maybe help me drop a couple of the extra pounds I had picked up since our marriage a year ago.

I waited around and bit and my wife finally arrived home on her beach cruiser all sweaty and out of breath. My wife does not yet have her drivers license so the bike was a good way for her to get out of the house and not go stir crazy. That way she could go go shopping or down to the beach nearby. I asked her why she was so tired and she proceeded to tell me about her day.

That morning she woke up, got dressed and put on her makeup (makeup is essential for a bike ride) so she looked stunning like always, and rode her bicycle 5 miles up to the store where she bought a mountain bike as a gift with some money she had squirreled away. As she had no way to bring both bikes home at the same time she chained up her bicycle and rode my bicycle back the 5 miles to drop it off at home. She then walked the 5 miles back to the store, unchained her bike, and rode her bike back home to try and meet me when I returned home.

After hearing the story I did not know whether to laugh or cry. I pictured a hot blonde riding her bike with guys honking at her all the way home. I asked her why she just did not ask on of my friends who lives three blocks away and has a pickup truck to help her. She just wanted to do something nice for me herself and she took the initiative to do so.

This is just one of many things she does that make her "better" than the women I have dated here. Don't get me wrong, I have dated some great AW, but if anyone has dated a wonderful woman from the FSU they know there is a difference.

[alex330]

My "criteria" were always better satisfied by a person not a nationality and unless the guy has a fetish for the "Slavic look" I really do not see what FSUW have, generally speaking, than women from anywhere else. The list of characteristics I see attributed to them is as equally true (or not) as women from any other country.

Agreed, it absolutely does come down to the individual in the end. Do you believe individuals are a product of their environment? Are certain values instilled upon individuals that may be more common in said environment? Do certain geographical areas or nations have a higher number of women that meet your wants in a partner? I believe so, and for me there was a much better possibility to meet my other half in the FSU.

PS - the Slavic look does not hurt

[Ade]

Agreed, it absolutely does come down to the individual in the end. Do you believe individuals are a product of their environment? Are certain values instilled upon individuals that may be more common in said environment? Do certain geographical areas or nations have a higher number of women that meet your wants in a partner? I believe so, and for me there was a much better possibility to meet my other half in the FSU.

You mean the environment that cultivates endemic corruption and the general willingness to ignore rules and laws?

[Muzh]

And this explains most of your posts.

I am happy to hear that she is lucky enough to have found a submissive man.  It is now much easier to put all your posts in context.

    

What explains most of my posts?
 
That I don't need to find a submissive woman to feel like a man?
 
And you think I have a problem?

[alex330]

You mean the environment that cultivates endemic corruption and the general willingness to ignore rules and laws?

I was thinking more along the lines of values instilled by parents. I don't feel the average person from the FSU is any more corrupt than those in the west. In regards to bending rules and laws, I am ok with that in many cases.

[Boethius]

I was thinking more along the lines of values instilled by parents. I don't feel the average person from the FSU is any more corrupt than those in the west. In regards to bending rules and laws, I am ok with that in many cases.

My FSU better half, who has lived in the West now for 20 years (but does reluctantly visit Ukraine), would disagree.  He acknowledges we have the same here, but says in far fewer numbers.  He blames communism which, he says, turned morality upside down.