What the REAL women in Russia think: feminism

[Shadow]

Gator while you are right, the image presented is due to how men are presented in most of the American culture. Have you ever looked at movies and television series with an objective look? In general men are portrayed as sex-driven, rather clumsy individuals who can not handle themselves. Women on the other hand are portrayed as smarter, mentally and physically strong and able to help out the poor clumsy male creatures.
Even the 'biatches' are able to get anything from men.

This is a result of over-equalization and an image that women are trying to follow in real life and take their sense of entitlement from.

Perhaps it did not get noticed, but this is the issuethat my friend has noticed and would like some comments on.

[Boethius]

As they need this extra leave, would it not be fair if women in the age they can bear children get paid a bit less in order for the employer to be able to afford this ?

No, because they are giving birth to future taxpayers.  That should be encouraged.

[ML]

Shadow, my guess would be that if you ask real women in Russia what do they think of feminism, they probably reply you that they do not think about it at all

This would be my experience also.

And those who did bring it up seemed somewhat mystified by it and couldn't understand it.

Although I would think the  Ukrainian group Femen is having some impact, even as their focus may not be the same as in Western countries.

[Shadow]

No, because they are giving birth to future taxpayers.  That should be encouraged.

If it is encouraged by the government sure. But why should a private company hire staff that will cost him more due to the extended leave and not take this in account in the wages ?

[Boethius]

Companies don't pay maternity leave here, only the federal government.  Some companies top up salaries, but the majority do not, and there is no legal requirement they do so.

[Misha]

As they need this extra leave, would it not be fair if women in the age they can bear children get paid a bit less in order for the employer to be able to afford this ?

Why? In Canada, maternal and parental leaves are paid fully or in part by employment insurance into which everybody pays when working.

[Gator]

Perhaps it did not get noticed, but this is the issuethat my friend has noticed and would like some comments on.

Your friend's concept of the role model for males as presented in films reflects marketing decisions.  Hollywood makes movies for kids (animated), men (action), women (romantic comedies or chick flicks), and whatever one calls Hunger Games, Hobbit, etc.   When a chick selects a film, she would not want to go to movies where the woman is portrayed as a bitch. I surmise your friend has been watching too many chick flicks.   
 
The action films mostly show strong men, and action films far surpass chick flicks in ticket sales.
 
I prefer another category - drama films.   However, the top drama films Lincoln, Argo and Pi ranked only 13, 22 and 27 in domestic 2012 gross receipts.   

[ML]

  However, the top drama films Lincoln, Argo and Pi ranked only 13, 22 and 27 in domestic 2012 gross receipts.

I suppose the gross films were the top grossing.

[mies]

he warned me that currently feminism is rampant in the big cities. There is a large amount of women who hold the opinion that they should be worshipped by men and treated as a queen, while having the right to consider men as nothing without their presence.

I don't think this is feminism. This is the position of the woman in shovinistic society: try to get as much from men (and never undersell your stocks) while you are young and can, because you won't achieve anything on your own in this world because you are woman, and when you age - you'll be worth nothing.

There are feminists in FSU, but not many, and their views aren't very popular nor adopted by majority of women.
http://accion-positiva.livejournal.com/

[mies]

As they need this extra (maternity) leave, would it not be fair if women in the age they can bear children get paid a bit less in order for the employer to be able to afford this ?

Maternity leave in Belgium: 4 months.
Some studies show that women are paid "77 cents for   every dollar a man makes."  -let's round it to $0,8.
Net mean salary in Belgium is roughly 2000/mo.

Man makes in a year: 2'000*12=24'000
The woman makes in a year 24'000*0.8=19'200.

If the woman takes every year a 2.5 months maternity leave, then her "salary per hours actually worked" is equal to men's salary. Or if she takes 4-month maternity leave roughly every 2 years.
Are there many women in Belgium who give birth to children every 2 years during the 30 years of her employment? If yes - then these women are compensated for their work equally with men. Otherwise, vast majority of women are underpaid based on their gender.

This is a rough calculation, merely as an example.

[mies]

Well perhaps you can answer the poll:

A: Man can not live without a woman, but a woman can easily live without a man.
B: Mean can not live without a woman and a woman can not live without a man.

I think you need to add third option: human cannot live without other humans.

[BillyB]

Many women in FSUW have a wrong idea of what feminism is...and they ridicule their idea of feminism, not feminism itself.

There is nothing wrong with feminism if one reads the dictionary for what it actually means. I don't think FSUW are actually ridiculing the idea of feminism. They are ridiculing the behavior of feminists, the majority of women who represent the face of feminism.

[Gator]

I believe too many men who take exception with feminism are confusing radical feminism with feminism. To me it is akin to placing a Presbyterian deacon in the same category as a religious zealot.   A religious zealot could push me to atheism.

[Shadow]

Your friend's concept of the role model for males as presented in films reflects marketing decisions.  Hollywood makes movies for kids (animated), men (action), women (romantic comedies or chick flicks), and whatever one calls Hunger Games, Hobbit, etc.   When a chick selects a film, she would not want to go to movies where the woman is portrayed as a bitch. I surmise your friend has been watching too many chick flicks.   
 
The action films mostly show strong men, and action films far surpass chick flicks in ticket sales.
 
I prefer another category - drama films.   However, the top drama films Lincoln, Argo and Pi ranked only 13, 22 and 27 in domestic 2012 gross receipts.

What you forget is the huge influence these marketing decisions have on the ideas of people. If you watch daily on TV certain behaviour, your mind will accept it as correct.

[Muzh]

Only control freaks have a problem with women equality.

[GQBlues]

One of the things wifey mentioned during our corresponding period was how much she admires and envy ' the emancipation of US women', which she also added that she hopes this can be true to all Russian women in Russia someday.
 
Considering the plight of the general female population in this particular region, it isn't very hard to ascertain where the general attitude of these women really sit.