Perplexed about the five year visa

[Judges]

Gents,

Newby to the forum, but not a newby to the Russian woman experience.  I've traveled and met a few very nice legitimate older women from 42 to 55.  We just didn't click in person, so we moved on.

I am currently chatting ( and I have met this woman) a PHD who teaches at a University in Kyiv.  She is legitimate.  Met her through Elena's Models.  She is fully aware of the bad report on women scammers, so she took the effort to provide me with her credentials.  You can clearly see she is an Associate Professor.

She is the A-typical Russian woman who was married to an alcoholic Russian male; had a child; the husband hit her in the face in front of family, so she divorced him.

What is perplexing is, she was granted a five year Visa.  How is this possible?  I have friends who married a Ukraine dentist and doctor respectively, and they said this granting authority for a five year Visa is next to impossible.  Do you think she paid the official off with money or sex?   

[LiveFromUkraine]

Gents,

Do you think she paid the official off with money or sex?

Are you serious?


Anyway, what does it matter.  Either she comes to visit you or she asks for money to come and visit you.  If she asks for money walk away. 


While it is good to be cautious, it sounds like you are too focused on being scammed and may lose a good woman because of it.

[Judges]

Yes, I am serious.  Do you think I would ask the question if I wasn't serious?  It is prudent to ask questions.  This is what this forum is all about my friend.  Don't lecture me on women. 

I have visited over 40 countries in my career.  All women are the same no matter where you go.  The only difference, is the opportunities they have to succeed.  I suggest you study what women and female children had to to up until Ukraine became an independent country in 1991.  Wives, grown women, and female children were forced to sell their bodies to earn money for their families.  This trend while not as bad as it was, continues to this day.  Read what some Anthropologists have written on the subject particularly for Ukraine women and children. 

Just because a woman is a PHD has no bearing on what she will do to get ahead in a totalitarian system.  You need to wake up to reality.  Outstanding credentials has no bearing on what a person's real life is when off the job.     
 

[Shadow]

She holds a job that makes her well connected and very unlikely to leave things behind. If she has a history of traveling I would not think it impossible.

However the job also means that you would have to make a pretty strong offer to convince her to give up what she has and live with you.
That could be more telling as her qualifications or visa.

[Shadow]

Just because a woman is a PHD has no bearing on what she will do to get ahead in a totalitarian system.  You need to wake up to reality.  Outstanding credentials has no bearing on what a person's real life is when off the job.   

The time there was a totalitarian system in Ukraine lies more than 20 years behind us.

[Muzh]

Gents,


What is perplexing is, she was granted a five year Visa.  How is this possible?  I have friends who married a Ukraine dentist and doctor respectively, and they said this granting authority for a five year Visa is next to impossible.  Do you think she paid the official off with money or sex?

Judge (no of a High Court, I hope)

Has it ever occurred to you that she may have her daughter or son in the US and she came to visit them?

My mother-in-law has a 5 year multi-entry visa.

Are you this quick to jump to conclusions? You must be in really good shape.

[GQBlues]

Judge (no of a High Court, I hope)

Has it ever occurred to you that she may have her daughter or son in the US and she came to visit them?

My mother-in-law has a 5 year multi-entry visa.

Are you this quick to jump to conclusions? You must be in really good shape.

I concur. My In-Laws have the same thing (neither have PhDs but do have a sexy son-in-law). They started with single entry, then 2-years multiple and just now received their 5-year multiples. Granted, unlike Muzh's, they're Russian but seeing his MIL have the same thing...it's hardly impossible or even near it.

[Boethius]

Yes, I am serious.  Do you think I would ask the question if I wasn't serious?  It is prudent to ask questions.  This is what this forum is all about my friend.  Don't lecture me on women. 

I have visited over 40 countries in my career.  All women are the same no matter where you go.  The only difference, is the opportunities they have to succeed.  I suggest you study what women and female children had to to up until Ukraine became an independent country in 1991.  Wives, grown women, and female children were forced to sell their bodies to earn money for their families.  This trend while not as bad as it was, continues to this day.  Read what some Anthropologists have written on the subject particularly for Ukraine women and children. 

Just because a woman is a PHD has no bearing on what she will do to get ahead in a totalitarian system.  You need to wake up to reality.  Outstanding credentials has no bearing on what a person's real life is when off the job.   

You are wrong in your statement about women in Soviet Ukraine.  However, a Soviet trained professor who earned a PhD, depending on the field, would be someone I, personally, would avoid.

[Gylden]

My wife got a five year multiple entry visa as well.

[Judges]

I concur. My In-Laws have the same thing (neither have PhDs but do have a sexy son-in-law). They started with single entry, then 2-years multiple and just now received their 5-year multiples. Granted, unlike Muzh's, they're Russian but seeing his MIL have the same thing...it's hardly impossible or even near it.

She was just granted the Visa on 1 April

[calmissile]

Yes, I am serious.  Do you think I would ask the question if I wasn't serious?  It is prudent to ask questions.  This is what this forum is all about my friend.  Don't lecture me on women. 

I have visited over 40 countries in my career.  All women are the same no matter where you go.  The only difference, is the opportunities they have to succeed.  I suggest you study what women and female children had to to up until Ukraine became an independent country in 1991.  Wives, grown women, and female children were forced to sell their bodies to earn money for their families.  This trend while not as bad as it was, continues to this day.  Read what some Anthropologists have written on the subject particularly for Ukraine women and children. 

Just because a woman is a PHD has no bearing on what she will do to get ahead in a totalitarian system.  You need to wake up to reality.  Outstanding credentials has no bearing on what a person's real life is when off the job.   

Your question is a little startling to most of us.  While you have a good understanding about what FSU people did to survive, is this your most important consideration?  Considering her age, her past life could include a lot of things you might not have liked by US moral standards.

You implied that you have met her (in person).  What is her demeanor and personality like?

The visa question is valid, however why does it matter how she got it?  Visas to the US are a crap shoot.  Some are issued without any logical reason and many are denied even when overwhelming evidence is presented that they will return.  If I were you, I would just feel lucky that she has a visa and can visit you.  Most FSU women cannot get visas to visit the US.

Not sure it is worth focusing on, but Bothieus can provide info about what people had to do to overcome the competition to get ahead during Soviet times.  If your really hung up on someones past and have some serious morality requirements, maybe FSU women are not the best place to look.  We all have skeletons in our closets and the FSU is no exception.

Considering the age group you are looking at, I think pesonality is a much better characateristic to be focusing on.   Just my opinion.

Good luck in your adventure.

[Judges]

You are wrong in your statement about women in Soviet Ukraine.  However, a Soviet trained professor who earned a PhD, depending on the field, would be someone I, personally, would avoid.

Interesting comment.  Why would you avoid a Soviet trained PHD?  She is 42 years old.

[Judges]

The time there was a totalitarian system in Ukraine lies more than 20 years behind us.

You need to study my friend.  The totalitarian system is real in that country.  Will be for a long time.

[mendeleyev]

My MIL has a long-term visa as well. Certainly possible if she indeed has the credentials you mentioned:

- "Proof of return" meaning that there is a high chance of her returning to her home country because of job, family, ownership of assets, etc. She would have provided documents as to assets, jobs, references, etc, to the extent that they were sufficient to meet Embassy requirements.

- Passed police background check.

- Has traveled outside her country before and then returned home as expected.

- Successfully passed interview at Embassy.


One of the areas in which you want to exercise care is in blurring the lines is in regards to potential marriage, there are specific visa types for that. She could move in with you as long as in later interviews it could be established that she accomplished the goals of her visa at the same time. However than could be problems if she uses a tourist visa to get around a K type visa.

[Boethius]

Interesting comment.  Why would you avoid a Soviet trained PHD?  She is 42 years old.

Because you didn't get to that level without party approval, and party participation, which in Ukraine, usually meant doing party errands that included informing on others and making their lives miserable.  It says something about who the person "is".

The totalitarian system is real in that country.

No it isn't.  Ukraine is corrupt, it is not an easy place to live, but it is not totalitarian.

[GQBlues]

She was just granted the Visa on 1 April

She may well have 'high official' connection in which I won't be surprised, IMO. One of the gals I met in Moscow my first trip was supposedly an attorney 'working for the government' and she wanted me to spend the next day with her so she can 'show me Moscow' an average tourist can never see because according to her 'she have privileges'.
 
But, fortunately for me, I had bigger fish to fry and was on schedule.... 
 

You are wrong in your statement about women in Soviet Ukraine.  However, a Soviet trained professor who earned a PhD, depending on the field, would be someone I, personally, would avoid.

OK, at the risk of leaving all of us hanging for a bit, I'll bite. Now why would you say that, Mrs Boe. (nevermind, you answered it above)
 

[Boethius]

Explained above, we likely cross posted.  But, based on her age, this may or may not be an issue.   Most of the "old elites" are the "new elites". 

[pitbull]

Gents,

  Do you think she paid the official off with money or sex?

Absolutely! She had sex with that old grumpy AW at the American consulate in Kiev. The one that holds visa interviews. This is the only way for Ukrainian female Associate Professors to get a 5-year visa to the US. Duh!

[GQBlues]

Absolutely! She had sex with that old grumpy AW at the American consulate in Kiev. The one that holds visa interviews. This is the only way for Ukrainian female Associate Professors to get a 5-year visa to the US. Duh!

    But he didn't mention she have lesbian tendencies.

[Shadow]

She was just granted the Visa on 1 April

I do hope you are aware that April Fools is equally popular in the FSU as it is in America.

If you consider Ukraine a totalitarian state, you live in one.

[LiveFromUkraine]

    But he didn't mention she have lesbian tendencies.

I didn't see any mention of a country.  I hate to see her have a lesbian experience at the wrong embassy.

[ML]

Absolutely! She had sex with that old grumpy AW at the American consulate in Kiev. The one that holds visa interviews. This is the only way for Ukrainian female Associate Professors to get a 5-year visa to the US. Duh!

Actually due to current budget manipulation, the consulate has to farm out some jobs to private contractors.

I have applied for one of the jobs that is specifically designated as the one responsible for sex with female applicants.  And I am not grumpy!!

[pitbull]

Because you didn't get to that level without party approval, and party participation, which in Ukraine, usually meant doing party errands that included informing on others and making their lives miserable.  It says something about who the person "is".

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If she is 42, then she was born in 1971, and was just 18 when the Soviet Union collapsed, just started her undergraduate education. Her undergraduate and graduate education took places in the 90-s and early 2000s, the worst time most FSU people had to live through, when being in academia was one of the lowest paid and generally hon-gratifying, jobs. Profesoors had to sell things in the open markets after work and on the weekends to survive. If anything, I would commend her for sticking to academia through those crazy times and making it to the Associate Professor.

[pitbull]

    But he didn't mention she have lesbian tendencies.

Oh, she probably doesn't have any. But you know, dem women Ukrainian Associate Professors all have such low morality - they would do anything, and I mean, ANYTHING to get a visa to the US. Sleeping with an old grumpy AW is just a minor blimp. You need to study, GQ! 

[mendeleyev]

Wives, grown women, and female children were forced to sell their bodies to earn money for their families.  This trend while not as bad as it was, continues to this day.  Read what some Anthropologists have written on the subject particularly for Ukraine women and children. 

Just because a woman is a PHD has no bearing on what she will do to get ahead in a totalitarian system.  You need to wake up to reality.  Outstanding credentials has no bearing on what a person's real life is when off the job.

 

Like Boethius, I'm a little baffled on the idea that most Soviet women and female children supposedly had to sell their bodies in order to make a living.

Also like Boethius and several others, I have experience in the region during the Soviet period. Full employment was guaranteed. That included finding ways to make work, just one example being traffic officers in little stalls manually changing traffic lights, something long automated in the West. I would agree that in reality that there was unemployment for some, but you had to be a "non-person" and enemy of the state to accomplish as much and and at some point thereafter find yourself building roads or harvesting timber as a prisoner in Siberia. There, a lot of bad things could happen to a female to be sure.

If you were a Union member, a requirement for most, everyone got a summer vacation usually somewhere along the seaside in a "sanatorium" (health spa) or dacha provided by their factory or their Union.

My MIL has a Soviet era PhD and studied both inside and outside the country. She was not forced into prostitution in order to survive.