Boston marathon bombers are Chechens?

[ML]

The fact that news organizations have presented a continuing change of information does not translate into a government cover-up.

[pitbull]

You talking about while he was in the hospital where be barely survived a gun shot wound?  I am sure he wasn't on any drugs that would interfere with his cognitive skills.

It sure takes a huge cognitive power to answer a simple yes or no question - either he did it or not. He said "yes". But anyway, he was read his Miranda rights afterwards and his confessions are not admissible in Court as far as I understand. We'll see if he changes his mind now that he has a team of lawyers on his side 

[GQBlues]

Hmmm... The 19 y.o. acknowledged that he and his brother did it? I know, you'll ask him if he can prove it beyond any shadow of doubt, right? 

As for the 'confession', to be perfectly honest with you, I'm on the fence with that simply because the interrogators had this kid in closed company during his hospitalization - and during the time they took away his rights for counsel.

BUT, and here's the BIG but, all events leading up to that segment - you and everyone else here, and those that believe he's in fact guilty - where's the above requested evidence/s?

Heck, even Gator thinks he's guilty because apparently there's a handgun that fires a hundred rounds.

Show me the money proofs/!

[GQBlues]

OK, your wife is prettier, what can I say 

Well, of course. That's why I married her - pronto.  That, plus she's a traditional woman.

[GQBlues]

It sure takes a huge cognitive power to answer a simple yes or no question...

Not so for BillyB.

[LiveFromUkraine]

It sure takes a huge cognitive power to answer a simple yes or no question - either he did it or not. He said "yes". But anyway, he was read his Miranda rights afterwards and his confessions are not admissible in Court as far as I understand. We'll see if he changes his mind now that he has a team of lawyers on his side 

Have you even been put under for an operation?  Morphine?  Yeah, depending on what he is on could affect his understanding of what is being asked and his answers.  The stuff they put me on for my wisdom teeth was strong enough where I would have even agreed with BillyB.

[pitbull]

As for the 'confession', to be perfectly honest with you, I'm on the fence with that simply because the interrogators had this kid in closed company during his hospitalization - and during the time they took away his rights for counsel.

BUT, and here's the BIG but, all events leading up to that segment - you and everyone else here, and those that believe he's in fact guilty - where's the above requested evidence/s?

Heck, even Gator thinks he's guilty because apparently there's a handgun that fires a hundred rounds.

Show me the money proofs/!

Since its an ongoing investigation, nobody's gonna show you all the "detailed proofs", wait till May 30th(?) - I bet this hearing will be televized up the wazoo! But even the sum of the pieces of evidence/the story of the past week available to the public today plus the guy's confession to me personally look convincing beyond the shadow of doubt.

[CanadaMan]

I cannot agree.   You wouldn't see strangers helping other strangers in Boston if people only cared about themselves. 

I had a feeling the “only care about themselves” would be twisted out of shape. 

Let me re-adjust it so we are clear with ourselves.

 FP said “Americans in general couldn't give one wit what the Europeans think of them.”

Let’s stick with that then. I agreed with him and said most people would probably agree with that as well.

I’ll adjust my question, removing ‘caring’, I'll stick to FP’s exact wording and add to the end:

Why is it that Americans in general couldn't give one wit what the Europeans think of them, whereas the Europeans and the rest of the world gives a wit what everybody thinks of them? Why the difference?

 

Now let me ask you a question.  Why do you care who worries about what? 

Ahhh…. You are confirming exactly what FP stated above. (Americans in general couldn't give one wit what the Europeans think of them.”)
We just care. Plain and simple. It’s in our blood. It doesn’t seem to be in yours. 

 

I could care less if Canadians care about what happens in America.  I could care less if Europeans care about America. 

It should be ‘couldn’t care less’, not ‘could care less’.

Once again you are confirming what FP said, only this time you are adopting my language, using ‘care’ instead of ‘think of’. Do you see how easily we mix the two together! Can you forgive me for having used 'care' now? 

Seeing any type of event that causes pain to innocent people will have people empathetic to those that suffer... 

One would think so. But it doesn’t happen when one nation attacks another, unfortunately.

What exactly do you want American's to do when something bad happens in another country? 

For starters, give it the front page coverage, attention, empathy etc. that is given to tragedies that beset the U.S.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I had a feeling the “only care about themselves” would be twisted out of shape. 

Hardly twisting the terminology you used.  In fact, I believe I addressed what you had written.  It seems you meant something entirely different.

Why should people care what others think?  I don't care what most people think of me.  I didn't think that was a bad thing.

For starters, give it the front page coverage, attention, empathy etc. that is given to tragedies that beset the U.S.

I am afraid most Americans can do nothing about what the media covers.  As GQ pointed out, we are very generous, moreso than most. 


Some of that media coverage of US tragedies are propaganda based.  I think it is sad to use stories of tragedy to push a certain agenda. 

[Gator]

See that is the problem.  Some of the people who are saying he is guilty don't even know all the facts of the case.

Like for instance, the bombs were detonated with a remote trigger.  Not a timer.  If you didn't know that, what else don't you know?

So you were serious about needing a video of the alleged terrorists  detonating their IEDs!!!!!! 
 
Based on this, I guess you believe the same as GQ that the two were not involved in a shootout with the Watertown police, a battle that left the older brother dead at the scene and nearly killed an officer.
 
The US government will release its investigation when completed.  I am willing to wager any amount that it will show even more compelling and substantiated evidence that these two slime balls did it. 
 
IMO there has been some wrongdoing by the police, but nothing so far that I know with regard to the brothers.  The police arrested some young male Thursday night near the shootout and made him remove all of his clothes including his skivvies.  The police  then handcuffed him and paraded him around naked in public with news cameramen taking video footage.
 
Did the police overreact?  These were wannabe Jihadists, and we know such people are capable of blowing themselves up.  But removing the man's skivvies and parading him around!
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-naked-man-mystery-role-in-boston-2013-4
 
 

[LiveFromUkraine]

So you were serious about needing a video of the alleged terrorists  detonating their IEDs!!!!!! 

Gator, you must have missed some posts.  Maxximm said there was a video of the boys detonating the devices.  I asked for the links.

I already stated I believe they have enough evidence to convict.

[GQBlues]

So you were serious about needing a video of the alleged terrorists  detonating their IEDs!!!!!! 

Someone on this thread who believed they are guilty apparently based on a 'video' that showed the brothers detonating the bombs. LOL.
 

...Based on this, I guess you believe the same as GQ that the two were not involved in a shootout with the Watertown police, a battle that left the older brother dead at the scene and nearly killed an officer...

What does the shootout represents really? Like the shootout with the kid when only one side was firing and the other side didn't even have a gun? Or is it the shootout when the cops started firing at the SUV because they assailed the two were tossing bombs at them. That shootout?
 

...The US government will release its investigation when completed.  I am willing to wager any amount that it will show even more compelling and substantiated evidence that these two slime balls did it. ..

You would think the Feds woud've learned from a very fresh lesson taught by Paul Kevin Curtis, no?

I though usually the authorities must first have indisputable proof someone committed a crime prior to an arrest, much less firing at someone in a one-sided gun battle. 
 

..IMO there has been some wrongdoing by the police, but nothing so far that I know with regard to the brothers....

Every step of the way, actually. They look to me like a group of thugs looking for anyone to hang...anyone.

The public must be provided indisputable proof that these guys (one dead now) did the crime - now - not the confession, and certainly not some highly questionable, at best, inconclusive at worst, 'circumstantial' evidence.

These shouldn't be too much to ask, no? Especially with people dead and a kid who's basically a dead man walking.

[Gator]

Heck, even Gator thinks he's guilty because apparently there's a handgun that fires a hundred rounds.

Sometimes you behave as a child.   The news accounts I read said there were two assailants and six policemen in a serious shootout.  That is 8 weapons.  It would not take long to fire 100 rounds.  But you want ballistics reports the next day. 
 
Clearly you have no experience in firing weapons.  Maybe you assume the brothers fired muskets using some of their leftover gunpowder.  Or maybe you just like showing your ass over a very serious matter.   
 
If you would like to get to the heart of this very serious matter,  you should speak to some of the bombing victims with amputated limbs.  Or maybe the parents of the three killed by the bombs.   Seeing gore firsthand and smelling the blood will change many an idealistic or cavalier attitude.
 
 

[Gator]

GQ,
 
One moment you sound like a member of Amnesty International.  Then you make shallow comments about how a woman looks, a woman in Muslim dress, mother of a 3-yo, and supposedly working more than one job.  In my opinion she is an attractive woman.  I can not imagine the stress she is feeling.

[mendeleyev]

Tidbits:

Turns out the entire family was feeding off various welfare programs up the wazzu.

The boys could wear nice clothes, drive nice cars, and the elder brother traveled back to Russia and stayed for 6 months while collecting checks courtesy of the US taxpayers.

Can you really live that high on the hog just on government assistance?

The younger brother sold a little pot but it wasn't a booming business, pizza and beer money apparently.


Meanwhile...

The FSB is escorting a team of FBI investigators in Dagestan. Mom turns out to be a piece of work. She is wanted on warrant(s) back in Boston so looks like we (our government) may cut a deal so that she can travel back for the funeral without being arrested.


And finally.....

Russian social media is fairly active on the topic. Remember that most Russians are used to a system where less than 1% of those tried for a crime are ever found innocent. So naturally the fate is already cast in their minds.

As to whether the average Russian believes the young man to be innocent or framed, it seems to be running about 70-30 in social media comments where most view them guilty yet suspect some "funny business" by police. Those numbers are just by casual observation and totally unscientific. It is not that they feel the USA to be bad and the kid good, but this is a part of the world where it is common for criminal charges to be manufactured so their view of the process now in play simply reflects their experience.

[GQBlues]

Sometimes you behave as a child.

Really now?! I thought someone who responds like this is one...

...
..I am still confused about the conspirators' reasoning for allowing the younger brother to survive.   I suppose Jack Ruby will somehow get into the hospital and kill Dzhokhar soon before the truth starts to leak out....

The silly world of buttholes and assholes, doesn't it? Sounds different but smell the same because it doesn't matter which one you are, you're still screwed. LOL.

... The news accounts I read said there were two assailants and six policemen in a serious shootout.  That is 8 weapons.  It would not take long to fire 100 rounds.  But you want ballistics reports the next day. ..

Ah yes! LOL. The proverbial morning show/news telecast/papers. Any new inconclusive conclusions lately?

BTW...were all 8 weapons firing at the same target?
 

...Clearly you have no experience in firing weapons...

I proudly say I don't have experiences firing guns, but smart to know one handgun doesn't fire 'hundred rounds, yah?

...Maybe you assume the brothers fired muskets using some of their leftover gunpowder.//

No, as a matter of fact, I make no ASSumptions but you seem to be very adept at that.

...  Or maybe you just like showing your ass over a very serious matter...

Only for you...   
 

...If you would like to get to the heart of this very serious matter,  you should speak to some of the bombing victims with amputated limbs.  Or maybe the parents of the three killed by the bombs.   Seeing gore firsthand and smelling the blood will change many an idealistic or cavalier attitude.

Listen numbskull, simply because unlike you I don't readily gobble up media created chaos doesn't mean it makes me unsympathetic to the victims of the bombing. Now, had it been YOU - then maybe just as well.

[GQBlues]

GQ,
 
One moment you sound like a member of Amnesty International.  Then you make shallow comments about how a woman looks, a woman in Muslim dress, mother of a 3-yo, and supposedly working more than one job.  In my opinion she is an attractive woman.  I can not imagine the stress she is feeling.

Shallow comments I don't find her as pretty as pitbull did? LOL. That I should feel bad about? You really are moronic.. 

[Darth_Budda]

Officials initially had said he exchanged gunfire with police for more than an hour before he was captured on Friday.

Congressman Dutch Ruppersberger: ''The FBI... followed through the protocols"

But the Associated Press quoted two unnamed officials as saying Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had been unarmed when he was captured.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22289200

All the back tracking and trust me they did it, is only gonna add fuel to the conspiracy fire..

[BillyB]

The public must be provided indisputable proof that these guys (one dead now) did the crime - now - not the confession, and certainly not some highly questionable, at best, inconclusive at worst, 'circumstantial' evidence.

GQ, it's apparent you've never done jury duty and maybe weaseled out of it when your turn came up. You have no idea what is and isn't allowed as evidence in a court and how witnesses play a part in convictions. Contrary to your beliefs, 12 jurors do not have to be present at the crime scene exactly when it happened to convict a person.

[mendeleyev]

That would be correct Darth. I live with a live CBS video stream 24/7 in my home office due to my work. I saw clips (pooled coverage) initially of the gun battle that was supposedly between the kid and police. The arrest was made by the SWAT team from the Boston Transit Police and they told a radically different story from the Boston PD.

The MBTA Transit Police SWAT team almost shot him because in his condition from blood loss he seemed to be floundering around when exiting the boat and they almost gunned him down because of those movements. Fortunately it wasn't the regular police force cause he'd of had hundreds of bullet holes by the time the coffee and donut boys had finished reacting.

He was unarmed.

The only gun battle, in which many shots were fired but nowhere near 45 minutes to an hour as the Boston PD claims, was the Boston PD shooting up the back yard. Fortunately they apparently missed the boat. I imagine however that the flowers and grass didn't do so well.

Confirmed by CBS, the Associated Press, etc.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Two U.S. officials say the surviving suspect in the Boston bombings was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat in a neighborhood back yard. Authorities originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation, say investigators recovered a 9 mm handgun believed to have been used by Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, from the site of a gun battle Thursday night, which injured a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority officer. Dzhokhar was believed to have been shot before he escaped.

The officials tell The Associated Press that no gun was found in the boat.

Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis said earlier that shots were fired from inside the boat.

[Gator]

Shallow comments I don't find her as pretty as pitbull did? LOL.

Pitbull:   Tamerlan's wife is really pretty

GQ:   Nah. Not really. A bit on the chubby side.

IMO, such is a shallow comment given what Katherine is going through.  It reminds me of  men who place physical beauty at the top of their list for judging the value of women. 
 
Maybe I am sympathetic to all that is happening to her.   Nevertheless, it was her choice to marry Tamerlan.  BTW, I could not ascertain Katherine's plumpness because of her Muslim garb.  She has a 3-yo, works long hours, and has been abused, so maybe she weighs more than 125 lbs.  It is not important.  What is important is full disclosure of what she knew about Tamerlan.

[Gator]

 

I proudly say I don't have experiences firing guns, but smart to know one handgun doesn't fire 'hundred rounds, yah?

GQ:   the recorded video was showing a whole lot of ammunition being fired...
 
GQ:  If they shot the cop and took his gun and used it during their alleged gun battle, why not investigate the spent shells or stray bullets for ballistic to find out it was in fact the gun the dead cop had?
 
Gator:   Did you see the bullet riddled police SUV?  It appears a thousand rounds were fired by both sides.  It will take a long time to analyze.
 
Gator:  To be precise I should have said a hundred rounds were fired.

[Next comes your great leap in logic and reasoning]


GQ:  even Gator thinks he's guilty because apparently there's a handgun that fires a hundred rounds.
 
Gator:  Sometimes you behave as a child.   The news accounts I read said there were two assailants and six policemen in a serious shootout.  That is 8 weapons.  It would not take long to fire 100 rounds.  But you want ballistics reports the next day. 
 
Yes, your "leaps" remind me of some talks with my sons when they were Pre-K.  My sons believed what they said.  Do you?   Or do you just like to use distortion to divert a discussion not going exactly your way?

[Gator]

Authorities originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.

Friendly fire, maybe, given the situation and conditions.
 
I have no further comment about the bombings, shoot out, and capture until law enforcement releases the report of its official investigation.  That report will not interest me as much as what authorities learn of the brothers' motivation, training and planning. 

[BillyB]

The only gun battle, in which many shots were fired but nowhere near 45 minutes to an hour as the Boston PD claims, was the Boston PD shooting up the back yard. Fortunately they apparently missed the boat. I imagine however that the flowers and grass didn't do so well.

The cops were firing weapons to scare the guy into surrendering. Shooting the back yard or at the boat in a location he wasn't at was desirable to get the suspect to believe he is outnumbered and overwhelmed. As CG noted earlier, it would have been easy to turn the boat into swiss cheese. Actually only one bullet is needed to kill the suspect if that is the intent. There are two images of where he is located in the boat. One of the photos I submitted below. A sniper could have got him with one bullet if that is what our authorities wanted.


The main idea of keeping him alive is for intelligence gathering. FBI were shocked the justice department came in after 16 hrs to read him his Miranda rights. Public safety exemption allows 48 hrs for interrogation. Why did our government exercise the public safety exemption and not use the full 48 hrs? Dumb. My guess is that many of our citizens pressured the President to read the suspect our Miranda rights ASAP and since the suspect was interrogated and read the Miranda rights in a hospital under drugs, many of our citizens will not accept that he could ever be truly guilty.

[mendeleyev]

GQ:  If they shot the cop and took his gun and used it during their alleged gun battle, why not investigate the spent shells or stray bullets for ballistic to find out it was in fact the gun the dead cop had?

I'm hearing reports that the boat was in fact hit many times so my info yesterday was incorrect about the boat not being hit.

As to the gun they took from the slain cop it supposedly had a special triple safety mechanism that the kid was not able to open.