Sex with FSU women

[catzenmouse]

""Reduce morality""?  Wow.....  If thats not asking to have yourself shot in the foot, I don't know what is!  Imagine if U.S. or Brittish politician said something simular to the public press....


I don't know about England, but I know that the super-liberal (spawns of satan) media would crucify him!

Slings,

 As entitled to you own opinion as you are the political part of it has no place here. We've had plenty of battles already on this issue and we really don't need another one. There are plenty of other places where you can vent and rant your heart out about your political views.

Ken

[SANDRO43]

Is it you are considered a true cockney if you were born withing hearing distance of some bells? I forgot which bells.� 

The bells of St Mary-le-Bow, Cheapside : see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockney

[Mamma D]

That is probably a true statement....but concider this...

We are a large landed country...
We border two countries and the three of us, comprise an entire continent.
We have most of the things that Europeans travel to for recreation, without having to leave our borders.

Now some of the British are a bit snobby, true. But they are are also a very open hearted people when you spend time in their country. I lived in the UK, and I swear, they stayed up nights thinking of ways to show us their country. They also have cultural rules! And if you are a good guest, you will learn and abide by them.

I have found that many (not all) Americans seem to believe that they are not bound by others rules of ettiquett.... but when you choose to ignore them... you are in embaressment, not only to your hosts, but all of us that follow.

My passport is now 55 years old! I am the only one in my family that has one! We spend time both north and south of the American border.....where none is required.

Americans are not really that differnt from the Brits, French, or Germans I meet. Every country has very good, very bad, and has a host of folks somewhere in the middle. And if you cannot find some of them .... shame on you.

Three good  rules to live by...

Do not break rules or Laws knowingly ( If you disagree, work to change them)

Always be conciderate of those around you......(If you cannot, leave)

Do not shame yourself or others, and don't bring shame to your family or country.

Mamma D

[wiz]

Peewee said:

Is it you are considered a true cockney if you were born withing hearing distance of some bells? I forgot which bells.  The fruit reference has something to do with sleeping and the animals reference has something to do with weights and measures. I have visited London many a time in my younger days but that bells thing has slipped my memory.

Answers: The Bow Bells.

Yes apples and pears go upstairs = going to sleep

Pony = 25 GB pounds and Monkey 500 GBP

Well done!



Slings and Arrows

The British newspapers are extremely sharp, crucify and ridicule the politicians with the drop of a hat! Bush and Bliar (the new nick name of Vice president Blair) come for a lot ridicule.
In several interviews PM Blair is been called Vice president and now they refere to him as Bliar!

All last week the Deputy PM Mr Presott is been ridiculed because they found out that he had a mistress and now we know every single detail, where, when how many times, what they did etc, of his sexual peccadillo’s! He has disappeared from public eyes!

[Slings_and_Arrows]

Ken,

I suppose you're right. Point made and well taken. However, my post was made more in jest then anything.



Wiz,

Thanks for the info. Thats good stuff! I seriously had a good LOL to that.

[catzenmouse]

Ken,

I suppose you're right. Point made and well taken. However, my post was made more in jest then anything.

No worries Slings,

 Just seen a few innocent comments become pages and pages of cat fighting. And as much as I like a good cat fight you guys are just not cute enough to watch...

Ken

[Admin]

Slightly related to this thread but interesting...

MOSCOW.  May  10 (Interfax) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said that demography was the most pressing issue of contemporary Russia.

"We are losing almost 700,000 people every year. We have raised the issue many  times, but in fact very little has been done," the president said in a speech to the Federal Assembly on Wednesday.

In  order  to  solve  the  problem,  one should seek to boost birth rates, reduce  morality and conduct an effective migration policy, Putin said.

[edit]  This excerpt from scrolling news articles on home page.  I added bold.

Isn't it amazing what the slip of a small 't' will do to the meaning - and ensuing reactions?!?

- Dan

[BC]

Slings,

The 'morality' issue I brought up was likely a typo.. nothing to take seriously.

[chivo]

Now that you finish your ranting I just highlighted a few words to show the difference between our postings!

I don't think the use of offensive remarks improves the validity of your statements, on the contrary!

Let me point out to you that you have no idea who I am, what experiences I have in life, so you can not make judgement. I have my own views and I am entitled to express them.

I don't know who you are but I have noticed that you only made 4 posts here and that started after I declined the private message to visit a certain Dating website. I maybe be wrong but I find your attitude in your postings very suspect because of its veracity and tone. Probably my views go against certain commercial interests and if that is the case then I will not care one way or another about your views.

I have enough life experience to deal with my own interests therefore I don't think I will call on you for help.

I think in other posts I have made clear my position for what I am looking for and how I am going to go about it!

Good luck to you in Russia and I maybe soon will have to visit Moscow, if things continue going OK with my current object of attention!

well i hoped it would be my last, but i will clarify and then move on.

i wouldn't use a agency to find a woman here and i certainly don't belong to any or have any affiliations. if an agency is  anyone's method so be it, just not my thing and personally i think that's where you'll find most of your scammers.

my tone is nothing more than a byproduct of living in Russia. if you don't understand this, just think about it the next time you have an argument with one (Russian) .
not to mention that Russians express themselves in a way that most westerns find intense, even during nice normal conversations. I would think someone with your vast experience dealing with them would obviously know this.
 
again my problem was with the statement more so than who said it, it just happened to come out of your mouth. i would have done the same to anyone else making similar points (except Momma D ). i will also stand by what i said about visiting Russia and Ukraine (and cracking on Americans). i also find it somewhat interesting that you're actually thinking visiting Russia and dating a RW after some of your remarks .

also , i said i "could" make you're life easier, not would, and it was made to illustrate how i could easily save you $200+ by coming here, among giving you added insight. i have no intention to actually help you, mainly because you seem to be at a point in your life with your vast life experiences, where you know everything and wouldn't really listen to anyone other than yourself anyway. i hope i never make it to that point myself.

you're right we dont know each other and in the virtual world many things are misunderstood. and yes you have every right in the world to express your opinions as i have every right to to express mine, no one said or thinks otherwise. like i said, we all take what we want from this whatever that might be. again if someone makes a comment i believe to be wrong, i will tell them and back it up with fact and experience. i expect to get the same in return.

i just joined the site and happened upon your comments without any other motive. some people call coincidence fate...i just call it coincidence, and that's all it was. assumptions are fine, i just don't rest my case on them. good luck with your doormat (your words not mine), er, RW. peace out.

Chivo

[BC]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/05/10/usa.ugly.reut/index.html

interesting..

jb,

I believe it was you that pointed out servicemen and women overseas.  Good point.

Having been around military bases most of my life the GI and GIrls were readily identifiable but really do not fit the 'ugly American' picture.  Of course minor infractions off base were quickly handled via article 15 providing a little emphasis to keep things reasonable.

Germans doing there 'ballerman' thing on the Spanish isles is probably one of the worst examples of tourist behavior imho..  drink till you drop.. around the clock.. nasty.

[catzenmouse]

Elena found this picture while surfing one of the RW sites. A view of how Americans view the world. Sadly, a lot more truth to this than fiction IMO.

[wiz]

i wouldn't use a agency to find a woman here and i certainly don't belong to any or have any affiliations. if an agency is  anyone's method so be it, just not my thing and personally i think that's where you'll find most of your scammers.

my tone is nothing more than a byproduct of living in Russia. if you don't understand this, just think about it the next time you have an argument with one (Russian) .
not to mention that Russians express themselves in a way that most westerns find intense, even during nice normal conversations. I would think someone with your vast experience dealing with them would obviously know this.
 
again my problem was with the statement more so than who said it, it just happened to come out of your mouth. i would have done the same to anyone else making similar points (except Momma D ). i will also stand by what i said about visiting Russia and Ukraine (and cracking on Americans). i also find it somewhat interesting that you're actually thinking visiting Russia and dating a RW after some of your remarks .

also , i said i "could" make you're life easier, not would, and it was made to illustrate how i could easily save you $200+ by coming here, among giving you added insight. i have no intention to actually help you, mainly because you seem to be at a point in your life with your vast life experiences, where you know everything and wouldn't really listen to anyone other than yourself anyway. i hope i never make it to that point myself.

you're right we dont know each other and in the virtual world many things are misunderstood. and yes you have every right in the world to express your opinions as i have every right to to express mine, no one said or thinks otherwise. like i said, we all take what we want from this whatever that might be. again if someone makes a comment i believe to be wrong, i will tell them and back it up with fact and experience. i expect to get the same in return.

i just joined the site and happened upon your comments without any other motive. some people call coincidence fate...i just call it coincidence, and that's all it was. assumptions are fine, i just don't rest my case on them. good luck with your doormat (your words not mine), er, RW. peace out.

Chivo

Funny

Reading all your comments seems to me we both coming from the same angle and your bone of contention is my comment about Americans.

No I don't know everything but I can find my way around.

I never said that I will not date a Russian woman or visiting Russia at sometime in the future. All I said is that I don't have to go there to meet one and they must speak English and that is the reason that I am looking closer to home, for obvious reasons. As it happens they are coming here, like the woman I am meeting now and the one I am going on holidays to Greece next month!

Too many coincidence for my liking!

[Mamma D]

I don't see that much has changed in the last fifty yeara or so....Most military isn't about to get too far out... because he REPORTS TO SOMEONE.....there can be rewards he doesn't want, if he causes problems!!!

But the arrogent tourists can and often do shame us all. Our leaders are less inclined to present our better sides and that is having some impact on all of us.

Mamma D

 WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Alarmed by the relentless rise of anti-Americanism around the world, a business-backed group is trying to change the behavior that spawned an enduring stereotype of Americans abroad -- loud, arrogant, ill-dressed, ill-mannered and lacking respect for other cultures.

[Muj]

Slightly related to this thread but interesting...

MOSCOW.  May  10 (Interfax) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said that demography was the most pressing issue of contemporary Russia.

"We are losing almost 700,000 people every year. We have raised the issue many  times, but in fact very little has been done," the president said in a speech to the Federal Assembly on Wednesday.

In  order  to  solve  the  problem,  one should seek to boost birth rates, reduce  morality and conduct an effective migration policy, Putin said.

[edit]  This excerpt from scrolling news articles on home page.  I added bold.

Who translates the quote?  The American press?

[PeeWee]

Who translates the quote?  The American press?

  I read about this in the local paper today. The writer of the article did mention that the speach was translated by Russian translators, not the American press. Why doesn't he just close the boarders to emigration? I suspect what is on Vladimir's mind is that he needs man power to fuel that war machine is is about to crank  up. Women need to produce boy babies and in 25 years you've got enough soldiers to go back to Afghanistan...or Pakistan...Chechnya.

Peewee

Peewee

[Joe Kerr]

Mamma D,

Like some posters, I, too, spent a few years in the American military.  I was in Germany and traveled throughout Europe.  Most soldiers didn't get far from post because they weren't interested in the rich history and culture of Europe.  Most soldiers didn't save enough money to travel.   As a civilian, I visited a few countries in East and South Asia. 

On the other hand, most people I met had no problems with Americans or at least they weren't overtly hostile.  I did meet a some incredibly ignorant foreigners who blamed Americans for everything on the planet and didn't give the U.S. any credit for anything positive.       

I think there are a lot of reasons for a negative image of America abroad.  Some of it is justified but some of it isn't.

Few foreigners I met had actually been there so they bought into whatever stereotype they were handed and more importantly, they would not listen to any evidence to the contrary. 

For those who cannot speak English, everyone white (in some countries) is assumed to be an American by default. 

"But the arrogent tourists can and often do shame us all. Our leaders are less inclined to present our better sides and that is having some impact on all of us."

I haven't met too many arrogant Americans abroad.  Most just want to travel and don't want to spend their time debating.  These tourists usually aren't well-versed in U.S. foreign policy or U.S. history let alone the local culture so they agree with whatever the locals say to avoid conflict.  The truly angry foreigners will not be swayed even if you are correct. 

Foreign governments benefit a lot by distracting local hate and anger towards the U.S.  In some cases, these governments encourage violent mobs to do their thing.   

There is little control over the U.S. image because Hollywood, the media, U.S. businesses abroad . . . all operate largely independently from what Washington does.  Even Washington has a many voices which are heard abroad leading to more confusion.   

A single American abroad can't do much to change things except to present a good example.  I was also disappointed by American morons who hoped gain popularity with locals by bad mouthing America at every turn.     

"loud, arrogant, ill-dressed, ill-mannered and lacking respect for other cultures"

The article helped perpetuate stereotypes about Americans that wouldn't be permitted about any other nation (except for France).  Americans don't have a lot of taboos and formal traditions and we don't dwell on past glories or hate for former enemies.  Many of the arrogant folks are those who call Americans arrogant simply because they don't agree with them.  Freedom of speech doesn't exist in some countries and it's useless (and possibly dangerous) to argue with these people. 

I don't dress up abroad due to the limited amount of clothes I can carry and the winkled clothes but I never wear dirty clothes.  It seems insane that one must wear pants in the tropics but that's the local dress in some cases.  Of course it is disrespectful to wear casual clothes in places such as religious sites.  Can you imagine Americans demanding foreigners remove coats and jackets during cooler weather?  I see Muslim women here wearing a headscarf but Western women not wearing one in some Muslim countries are in for trouble. 

I'm just tired of the excuses made by Americans for every perceived criticism by every foreign no matter how outrageous.  I've seen a few things which many Americans didn't see and they left long impression on me.  Unfortunately, political correctness here and the mob mentality abroad means I can't vent much so I did it here.         

[Mamma D]

I knew Europe in the 50's and 60's and I am sure it has changed..

Another issue, I have not seen here or elsewhere is the kind of letters sent to the ladies....and pic's ugh awefull, shameful & disgusting..

I fielded the forwards of mail after my Russian born daughter came here, closing sites, answering mail l that were worth answering.

Every lady out there likely understands the mail that came to me! I wonder that some of them would even met with some of these men.

I have also had friends that live in Ukraine tell of meeting with men there to meet ladies...

Now they may be few in number, but the impression they leave will blot out the good ones...many times over . I saw it when i lived there and most of the time we were given the benefit of the doubt. So if you think it makes no matter reconsider!

[RobTom]

A repost from an October 2004 "trip-report:"

I've lived in Ukraine about nine months of the last 15. During this time, I've had a few...er... girlfriends. The prious post got me thinking and counting similarities and differences between Ukrainian/Russian women and American women. I came up with five.

1. Don't misinterpret my list. This is not the land of "easy sex." I have rarely gotten "lucky" in the U.S. I've always had to become a boyfriend after several dates(days or weeks) before we became intimate. It is the same for me here in Ukraine. The difference of availability of sex with Ukraine/Russian women? Girlfriends are more attractive and more available.

2. They emphasize personal feminine hygiene more. In all of the encounters over the last 15 months, there was only one time with one lady that needed a shower where she did NOT take a quick shower, douche as they call it here. This was about 9PM in the evening, and the girl did not get a chance to go home after work and clean-up. I was surprised when she did not take a shower. In the U.S., there have been many times over the years I've spent many hours with girls, or late in their day, and we were headed for the bed. I'd say "let's take a quick shower." The reply was often "Why? I'm not dirty." Almost like it was an insult for me to ask. Many times the Ukr/Russian lady would take a shower after, too. I like this emphasis on personal hygiene.

3. These women are more feminine. They are nice and "sweet," in shape, sensual, and wear flattering clothes. These women accent the differences between the sexes, and use their charms. They make themselves sexually attractive. They ARE sexy! 

4. They separate sex from other parts of the relationship, and sex is  not used for manipulation in the relationship. I've had some arguments with Ukr/Rus women after which I was so mad I hardly wanted to be next to them to sleep for the evening. I just wanted to relax and sleep, but Ukr/Russian women do not put sex and other things during the day together. This is close to verbatim:

"Rrrroberrrt, why you lay there?"

"Um, we just bad big argument."

"What? That is different. We argue about party at neighbor's home, we not argue about sex. Come here. NOW!"

I swear this is the truth. A similar situation has occurred several times with three ladies in the last 15 months.

5. These ladies are more skillful, less inhibited, passionate and enthusiastic with sex. Mechanically, sex is the same as in the U.S. I don't know why they are better, maybe it is the enthusiasm and lack of inhibitions. To them, it feels good, they express this without inhibitions and let you know it! I've never known a Ukr/Rus lady to "just lie there." There have been more than a few times the lady was going get every last sensation out of me, whether I was still interested or not. I felt I'd been used as a.. a.. "tool." Cool!

[bobs12]

Urm... If I've caught the handle of this thread right, here goes with what I hope will be a helpful answer... 

1) Women from Russia or wherever have sex much the same as women from wherever else. I've never noticed anything particularly different.

2) There is no specific 'sex culture', but for foreigners it may be harder to spot and recognise the 'signs' that might tell you what a girl is thinking. Nowhere does it say that girl A will always wait X days/hours/minutes and girl B will wait Y. If you're only looking for sex in a hurry, it's a safe bet to go for skimpily clad girls on high heels with lots of makeup.

In any case, as someone pointed out, how long a girl waits has more to do with the guy she meets, the circumstances, and her mood (time of month permitting). It's no different than in your home country.

A girl might just really need laid, just as a guy might.

Or a girl might be looking for a partner, in which case be prepared for a long wait. Unless you're looking for the same, don't mess her head up 

In my experience, Russian girls are on the whole a little less inhibited (i.e. less 'shy') than in the UK about making acquaintance, less likely to be openly predatory with strangers (except when drunk and horny, but that's not just Russia) and less hung-up about sex.

I had a short fling that started after a couple of days. I had a long relationship that started after a couple of weeks (would have started earlier, had ciscumstances permitted). I've had a girl walk out of my apartment in the middle of the night after two weeks of dating, with something along the lines of, "If you're not going to *#beep#* me, I'm off home. There's not much point in me staying here all night." And she was the most shy and retiring girl I'd ever dated!

The main thing is to understand women, period. Then adapt what you know to minor cultural differences and, wahey! everything becomes clear.

Yeah, right...

Women can't be pigeonholed, defined or otherwise made to conform to any standards. If they were a mass-produced item they'd never be given a safety certificate and none of them would pass quality control They're a bit like us men in that regard!

People are different, no one person is the same all the time.

Just chill, take things as they come and don't force anything to happen. It never works that way.

[TheHorseman]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

The only thing I would add is the old saying: "If they didn't have a P-----*, they would have a bounty on them".

If robotics ever advances to the point that we can build our own women their in trouble.

[bobs12]

Looks like it's too late already... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/22/android_begats_armageddon_machine/

[solomon]

 

The only thing I would add is the old saying: "If they didn't have a P-----*, they would have a bounty on them".

If robotics ever advances to the point that we can build our own women their in trouble.

[solomon]

As you pointed out yourself, if you can understand women call me anytime day or night. 

The main thing is to understand women, period. Then adapt what you know to minor cultural differences and, wahey! everything becomes clear.

Yeah, right...

[JustPlaneCrazy]

The best food to kill a woman's sex drive is...........wedding cake

[bobs12]

Hell, I've been studying them for years. Everytime I think I've got htem figured out, someone goes and changes the goalposts

I must say though, I think there is a little more cultural 'homologation' here in Russia, if that's the right word to use. By which I mean in the UK you give a girl a compliment, you have no idea whether you'll be slapped, punched, laughed at, drink thrown in your face, or, as rarely happens, get a favourable reaction.

Here in Russia you can be fairly sure girls will take compliments graciously. In fact, it's considered polite to compliment acquaintances - it doesn't necessarily carry any innuendo. If you walk up to a girl on the street and tell her she's pretty (be sure not to act like a pervert, though) chances are she'll blush and giggle. If you say it innocently, she'll take it innocently. I love that.

Girls are girls here