Kharkov

[lonedrake]

 My last few days in Kiev

 Plump women everywhere Seems very western. Women for the most part wear what they want and wear comfortable shoes.

 It would be nice if large scale farming was owned by individuals. The amount of money generated in the rural areas would transform the economy. The average farmer in Minnesota took home close to 200,000.00 last year. 

[Vasilisa]

Are you talking about FSU or the Independent State of Moscow?   

You don't have to go to Moscow to buy a yoghurt anymore, those were the 80-ies ....

[Ooooops]

You don't have to go to Moscow to buy a yoghurt anymore, those were the 80-ies ....

Long, green and smells like sausage...  (c)


But actually I was referring more to "and people have more money" part...

[Vasilisa]

Long, green and smells like sausage...  (c)


But actually I was referring more to "and people have more money" part...

But people in other regions have more money from my observation, too, at least in big cities, I made a thread about the changes I noticeced. I am not sure about small villages, though, haven't visited them yet.

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, I think it was Yuri Andropov who led the KGB from 1967-1982 and then became General Secretary of the Communist Party (leader of the Soviet Union) for 15 months before his death who used "bee sting therapy" to combat arthritis. Does that sound right to you?

I can find no mention of apitherapy in connection with Yuri Andropov . A Russian город legend ?

[TomT]

The first girl I ever went to see was from Kharkov. I remember her riding the train all night to see me in Kiev. Nice girl, tall, smart and her mom absolutely loved me as well as the rest of her family. I probably messed up with her. I kept thinking she just wont listen to me. She always seemed to know better but looking back maybe she did. I met my no soon to be ex wife in the train station on my return trip to see her. We rode a train from Kharkov to Simperofel. While in Yalta we were robbed or shall I say scammed. I got into a fight and wrecked the robber up pretty bad. I was lucky to not go to jail. She just wouldn't listen. I told her to not play that silly game while waiting to the boat to take us back to Alushta. She was a good girl. She would've made a good wife. I often wonder about her. I wonder what happened to her. How she is doing? Does she have a family now? She was a good girl. I probably messed up but I was always a gentleman with her. She wanted marriage. I cant help but feel like I wasted a  almost year of her life. It's one of my biggest regrets in life looking back.

Don't beat yourself up about this; there is no way to predict the horrors that may have been in store for you had the relationship continued. People often think fondly about the path untaken because they fill in the blanks with their wishful thinking.

[mendeleyev]

I can find no mention of apitherapy in connection with Yuri Andropov . A Russian город legend ?

Perhaps, or I may have the wrong man.

I don't have arthritis, at least not at this stage of life, but if so there are plenty of bees. 

[Daveman]

Don't beat yourself up about this; there is no way to predict the horrors that may have been in store for you had the relationship continued. People often think fondly about the path untaken because they fill in the blanks with their wishful thinking.

Definitely agree there.  There are reasons people tend to move on the first time. The description of "she always seemed to know better", and "just wouldn't listen" certainly doesn't sound like much fun and indicates, to me, more of a "pain in the ass to live with" than it does "she would've made a good wife".


Of course, we don't know that whole story (other than a battle with a robber) and I am projecting my illusions of personality types based solely on those two quasi descriptive sentences above. 

[GQBlues]

Ukrainian women's bodies will follow trends, I suppose, the way WW's bodies do.  What WW wanted a huge rear end before Jennifer Lopez, Kim Kardashian, and rap stars?

You can definitely add Jennifer Aniston in the group. But the interesting observation with this however if the size of their butts have something to do with their propensity to change swimming partners as often as they do their swimming sheets.

I won't comment on the rest of your post, but foods don't build up in the intestines, unless you have muscle or nerve damage, and you will then require medical treatment.  Enzymes can aid in digestion and in getting things "moving", though.....

Which is why Polynesian and largely the lower equatorial region supplement their daily meal with complimentary portion of either pineapple, mangoes, papaya or bananas..breaks the fatty and starchy foods down for easier digestion.

[Shadow]

Definitely agree there.  There are reasons people tend to move on the first time. The description of "she always seemed to know better", and "just wouldn't listen" certainly doesn't sound like much fun and indicates, to me, more of a "pain in the ass to live with" than it does "she would've made a good wife".


Of course, we don't know that whole story (other than a battle with a robber) and I am projecting my illusions of personality types based solely on those two quasi descriptive sentences above.

To me it sounds like Mrs Right. Mrs Always Right. 

[ML]

What WW wanted a huge rear end before Jennifer Lopez, Kim Kardashian, and rap stars?

I hope not  many women want to join such a big rear trend !!!

Interesting though how viewpoints differ at points in time, and also change over time.

i.e. Huge butts desired in certain tribes in Africa.  Women in North America acquiring larger breasts; while in Brazil breast reduction is a new trend.  Rubenesqe women back then; slender women now.

[ML]

The description of "she always seemed to know better", and "just wouldn't listen" certainly doesn't sound like much fun and indicates . . .

I thought there was some agreement here that this was endemic to a large portion of the FSUW population.

[Shadow]

I thought there was some agreement here that this was endemic to a large portion of the FSUW population.

MrsShadow disagrees and knows better.

[SANDRO43]

Which is why Polynesian and largely the lower equatorial region supplement their daily meal with complimentary portion of either pineapple, mangoes, papaya or bananas...

That may simply be a consequence of the fact that those fruits are available in abundance in their tropical locales and often can be picked for free, rather than to considerations about their healthy side effects .

[Ooooops]

I don't have arthritis, at least not at this stage of life, but if so there are plenty of bees. 

Боль уберите, а опухоль оставьте.  (с)  I'm full of Russian jokes for every occasion.   

[facetrock]

Just got home.
JayH. Your right Jay. I do get an attitude after 8 trips over here and no matter if its Russia' Ukraine or Moldova I hear the same thing over and over. I hear our food is no good, not as fresh, and full of chemicals by a bunch of people who haven't been within 3000 miles of where I live.

I've forgotten how many farmers markets and supermarkets I've been to in Tver, St. Pete, Saratov, Rostov on Don, Dnep, Kharkov Chisinau and a few others I forgot about. You know what I've learned. They aren't any different than what is available here and they don't taste any better. I just don't buy the hype about the food, or the women for that matter. Maybe that's why I haven't married anyone.

Now I do believe you will eat some stuff over there that's cooked very different from here and be very tasty, but does that make the ingredients any better? IMO no.

I've never said additives are good for you. I said I bet the processed food in the FSU contains additives.

I don't smoke. I drink very little.

Your dead wrong about fresh in season veggies not being available to most of the general public here. When its in season the stuff is everywhere. They actually set up the markets in supermarket parking lots. Plus it seems every intersection has a guy selling sweetcorn, melons, tomatoes and whatever else he can fit in his pickup.

 The reason I didn't go to a market in Kharkov for fresh veggies is because it was early May. Nothing is ripe and that equals nothing for sale.

[ML]

I do get an attitude after 8 trips over here and no matter if its Russia' Ukraine or Moldova I hear the same thing over and over. I hear our food is no good, not as fresh, and full of chemicals by a bunch of people who haven't been within 3000 miles of where I live.

Ha . . . when I travel anywhere outside the USA . . . I too learn a lot about the USA from the local folk . . . who have never been to USA.

I was once on the podium at a presentation/discussion in the UK.
When I was asked questions about something in USA; others on the podium (who were not from USA) always butted in to answer the questions.

[JayH]

Ha . . . when I travel anywhere outside the USA . . . I too learn a lot about the USA from the local folk . . . who have never been to USA.

I was once on the podium at a presentation/discussion in the UK.
When I was asked questions about something in USA; others on the podium (who were not from USA) always butted in to answer the questions.

One of the things that always amuses about Australians is that we can tear the country apart criticising-- with other Australians-- but god help anyone from anyway else that dares criticise ANYTHING !!

I agree with you and Facetrock about people criticiing US who have never been there( I have and many times) and I can certainly see the flaws.But on the other side of the coin I find myself defending,explaining,rationalising US   quite often with people that have no idea and have an unbalanced view.

[JayH]

Just got home.

I am often critical of others that comment in threads without reading all the thread--or more of individual story-- and I have to plead guilty here!!

I read you as not looking at what was under your nose. I am guessing you live in more rural area and do take an interest in foods -- my point is and was that is not so usual in US.
My other generality is that the food is quite good in Ukraine -- and it should never be an issue for guys travelling.

[facetrock]

 I think Ukraine makes a lot of good food. If they could somehow get there act together they could be a world leader in many areas of agriculture
I am from a rural area. I grew up in a small Iowa farming town of 500 people. We rarely ate out. If I didn't like what my mother cooked for supper I would go next door and see what babushka had to eat.
Funny thing. When I tell FSU women where I grew up I know what their thinking. The guy grew up dirt poor. Fascinates me.

[jone]

ML and Facetrock

Reminds me of a story about a Brit who made it over to the US, to Iowa, to be specific, for the first time.

He watched a corn harvest and was amazed.  He stopped one of the farmers and asked him; "Whatever do you do with all that corn?"  The farmer smiled and said;  "We eat what we can and what we can't we can."

The Brit went away terribly perplexed.  When he went home and people heard where he had visited, they, too, asked him what the Iowans did with all their corn. 

He responded in the same perplexed voice;  "They ate what they could, and what the couldn't, they could."

[Ooooops]

I agree with you and Facetrock about people criticiing US who have never been there( I have and many times) and I can certainly see the flaws.But on the other side of the coin I find myself defending,explaining,rationalising US   quite often with people that have no idea and have an unbalanced view.

Quite often unbalanced (or biased) view of one's country pro's called patriotism.   

[Ooooops]

Reminds me of a story about a Brit who made it over to the US, to Iowa, to be specific, for the first time
....

Good one!   

[CanadaMan]

Quite often unbalanced (or biased) view of one's country pro's called patriotism.   

I always thought that was called 'putinism'.   

[Ooooops]

I always thought that was called 'putinism'.   

Nope.   It's called "It's a poor frog who doesn't praise its own pond!"  At least to frogs from other ponds (amongst its fellow cohabitants it may be a different story).