Thoughts on ukrainebridesagency.com

[AC]

Yes, I did offer India, EU and Dubai.

I think that many FSU women would be afraid to go to India or Dubai the first time meeting someone, for obvious reasons.

Your first trip I would think should be to meet the woman in Ukraine, but obviously if she is part of an agency and does not want to make herself available to communicate thru normal channels then there is a serious problem and the correct choice is to move on.

Keep in mind though that the serious problem may be that she just is not in to you, but of course she or the shill at the agency would be more than happy to keep taking your money on a pay-per-play basis.

As far as visiting you somewhere in Europe I don't know why it would be a problem, at least not after you have initially met her over there -- yet there are stories of some people having first meetings somewhere in Europe.

This particular one is clearly not going to work out and it seems you've learned a lot from it.  You may wish to just date locally for awhile.  It's so much less expensive and the practice is great.  Obviously you can still date FSUW or any other type of "foreign" woman if that is what you prefer; but you can go all out on a date and still spend a fraction of what you would spend by going over there.

Good luck and don't forget to always take a personal appraisal of yourself and ask yourself if what you offer is equal to what you are looking for.

[Solted5]

You haven't posted for like an hour. You're probably in the flower shop counting the money?

If she was bothered about his sexual advances why didn't "she" cut him off? instead "she" wanted him to stay on and continue to pay.

$100 for her contact??? Only morons pay to get contacts. You couldn't produce a girl in India or anywhere else because the girl in the pictures is probably not even local in ivanowhatever.

You didn't make your boss any favors with these posts.

I am not supposed to report to you why i didn't cut him off.I guess such ignorant people like you "cut off" other people only,me not.I am too polite and tolerant for that. Are you concerned with my flower shop that much? You want to help? I guess some work would clear up your mind( if you actually have one) and you'd stop posting humiliating things. What a pity that in developed countries not all men are "developed".

[AC]

I am not supposed to report to you why i didn't cut him off.I guess such ignorant people like you "cut off" other people only,me not.I am too polite and tolerant for that. Are you concerned with my flower shop that much? You want to help? I guess some work would clear up your mind( if you actually have one) and you'd stop posting humiliating things. What a pity that in developed countries not all men are "developed".

It's now almost 2 AM in Ukraine, Boris.

[notforone]

I am not supposed to report to you why i didn't cut him off.I guess such ignorant people like you "cut off" other people only,me not.I am too polite and tolerant for that. Are you concerned with my flower shop that much? You want to help? I guess some work would clear up your mind( if you actually have one) and you'd stop posting humiliating things. What a pity that in developed countries not all men are "developed".

Hey! play nice! we have flower shops here, too 

It's now almost 2 AM in Ukraine, Boris.

He's too agitated, cant' fall asleep, his reputation has been tarnished

[Solted5]

Hey! play nice! we have flower shops here, too 

He's too agitated, cant' fall asleep, his reputation has been tarnished

my reputation is ok. if i payed attention to every moron in the world who tried to spoil it i would be into deep depression already.

[Ukraine Brides Agency]

My name is Keith and I am the owner of Ukraine Brides Agency.

I have been following the posts from jetMike74 with interest as he is not portraying the true picture of events in his dealings with Julia (Solted5).
He has only just joined our site, he has no photo on his profile and he has sent Julia 1 message and had six text chats (between 8 and 15 minutes each) with her over 1 week - no video chats.

He asked Julia if he could have her contact details and also if she would meet him in India Julia declined on the basis that she does not know him well enough and asked if they could communicate a little longer first.

He pressured her by saying give me a yes or a no - she said no. He then started this string of posts to this forum.

I admire Julia for being strong enough and honest enough to decline him. I also admire Julia for stating her case in this forum. Thank you Julia - we are proud of you at Ukraine Brides Agency.

I would not imagine any lady anywhere agreeing to meet him in India after this short period of communication - even a lady that he speaks to face to face. To insist on the same hotel room is appalling.

I see many similar occurrences on our site and I also see many posts to forums such as this that are ill-informed and unfair. Unfortunately it is difficult to put across an alternate scenario to many of the posts as there is no proof offered with any submission to enable posts to be refuted.

I am sorry if this man feels that after such a short time Julia should agree to give him her details and meet him in India - but I am afraid that is not how it works in reality. Julia has not even had enough time to know whether she likes him or not.

We encourage men who use our site to contact us if they have any problems or suspicions and we investigate and report back.

We also offer REFUNDS to men for any women who are proven to be insincere and we expose the women on our site and deactivate their profiles.

We are a genuine site and we welcome anyone to visit us and join us. How many other sites would have the lady who has been rubbished and the owner of the site contribute posts? We wish Raj all the best in his search - he will need it.

[Ukraine Brides Agency]

My name is Keith and I am the owner of Ukraine Brides Agency.

I have been following the posts from jetMike74 with interest as he is not portraying the true picture of events in his dealings with Julia (Solted5).
He has only just joined our site, he has no photo on his profile and he has sent Julia 1 message and had six text chats (between 8 and 15 minutes each) with her over 1 week - no video chats.

He asked Julia if he could have her contact details and also if she would meet him in India Julia declined on the basis that she does not know him well enough and asked if they could communicate a little longer first.

He pressured her by saying give me a yes or a no - she said no. He then started this string of posts to this forum.

I admire Julia for being strong enough and honest enough to decline him. I also admire Julia for stating her case in this forum. Thank you Julia - we are proud of you at Ukraine Brides Agency.

I would not imagine any lady anywhere agreeing to meet him in India after this short period of communication - even a lady that he speaks to face to face. To insist on the same hotel room is appalling.

I see many similar occurrences on our site and I also see many posts to forums such as this that are ill-informed and unfair. Unfortunately it is difficult to put across an alternate scenario to many of the posts as there is no proof offered with any submission to enable posts to be refuted.

I am sorry if this man feels that after such a short time Julia should agree to give him her details and meet him in India - but I am afraid that is not how it works in reality. Julia has not even had enough time to know whether she likes him or not.

We encourage men who use our site to contact us if they have any problems or suspicions and we investigate and report back.

We also offer REFUNDS to men for any women who are proven to be insincere and we expose the women on our site and deactivate their profiles.

We are a genuine site and we welcome anyone to visit us and join us. How many other sites would have the lady who has been rubbished and the owner of the site contribute posts? We wish Raj all the best in his search - he will need it.

[southernX]

im with brass on this ,

solted 5 comes across pretty much as any angry woman would in this situation ,

jet, you seem to have assumed /presumed way to much too soon and gone out guns blazing on her

id suggest solted 5 has picked up on her intuition and acted accordingly in regards to keeping you at a distance until she knew you better

my take on this is solted 5 was right in her actions , these girls are smart and savvy , you thought otherwise ,
jet you need to do your homework better if you want to continue in the future ,
and id venture you owe her an apology

SX

[Ukraine Brides Agency]

Thank you SX

We agree with you 100%

Keith

[jetmike74]

My name is Keith and I am the owner of Ukraine Brides Agency.

I have been following the posts from jetMike74 with interest as he is not portraying the true picture of events in his dealings with Julia (Solted5).
He has only just joined our site, he has no photo on his profile and he has sent Julia 1 message and had six text chats (between 8 and 15 minutes each) with her over 1 week - no video chats.

He asked Julia if he could have her contact details and also if she would meet him in India Julia declined on the basis that she does not know him well enough and asked if they could communicate a little longer first.

He pressured her by saying give me a yes or a no - she said no. He then started this string of posts to this forum.

I admire Julia for being strong enough and honest enough to decline him. I also admire Julia for stating her case in this forum. Thank you Julia - we are proud of you at Ukraine Brides Agency.

I would not imagine any lady anywhere agreeing to meet him in India after this short period of communication - even a lady that he speaks to face to face. To insist on the same hotel room is appalling.

I see many similar occurrences on our site and I also see many posts to forums such as this that are ill-informed and unfair. Unfortunately it is difficult to put across an alternate scenario to many of the posts as there is no proof offered with any submission to enable posts to be refuted.

I am sorry if this man feels that after such a short time Julia should agree to give him her details and meet him in India - but I am afraid that is not how it works in reality. Julia has not even had enough time to know whether she likes him or not.

We encourage men who use our site to contact us if they have any problems or suspicions and we investigate and report back.

We also offer REFUNDS to men for any women who are proven to be insincere and we expose the women on our site and deactivate their profiles.

We are a genuine site and we welcome anyone to visit us and join us. How many other sites would have the lady who has been rubbished and the owner of the site contribute posts? We wish Raj all the best in his search - he will need it.

If you read all my posts, the only complaint all along was that, I was willing to sign the IMBRA application which will reveal all my legal information as per the law, pay the required fee, but still Julia was not willing to share her information.

If anyone has the time to read all my posts, I never made personal attacks.I WAS QUESTIONING THE AUTHENTICITY - real person or a PAID employee owning the profile. So, far no efforts made to convince me that it is real.

It is unreasonable to  expect someone to spend thousands of dollars when I do not even know if the other person is serious and the other person is GENUINE or not.

As far as wishing me luck is concerned, yes everybody needs it when there is UNCERTAINTY and DOUBT. I will take it.

I'm not that desperate that I will have to spend so much money every time just to figure out if the other party is REAL or not.

Hence I did mention/ask in an earlier post, is it worth it ? There are plenty of good women all around the world. Women from Ukraine are good and so are women in the United States as well. Ukraine was one choice for me not the only choice.

Keith, if you have a genuine business, you have a responsibility to educate the women about the process  and give them the confidence too. If you think, the only way women will get the confidence is by me spending thousands of dollars, that is not going to work for me and most hard working people. I have choices and so do other men.

Also, I did offer to post a positive review, if you guys do anything to alleviate my concerns. Positive experiences will get more business for you. You know that. Otherwise you will be spending time on these forums defending yourself. In addition to my full time job, I do have a small business and I know the value of time and a positive customer experience. I know how hard I have to work to win the confidence of my customers. It is not easy. No short cuts. No easy money.

Remember both the women and men are your customers. Unless you think otherwise .

I'm not going to gain anything with an unpleasant experience on your site and posting my thoughts on this forum.

You have my email id on profile. You can reach out to me. So far you have not made any efforts. I have said it here before. Convince me, you will have my business.

This is my closing argument. You guys can continue. I'm sorry I have to move on. There is a limit to everything.

[AC]

The post by Keith proves that there are two sides to every story.  I still believe a woman who has decent English is much better off to be on a free website as opposed to pay-per-play.  Too many bad stories about "mail order bride" websites for most guys to ever trust or use such.

I am still not convinced that it was actually Julia posting and not a shill for the agency.  If she is a normal woman with a normal job, then why would she be up at 2 AM?  If it was her then she works for the agency as an interpreter and that explains a lot.  If I was searching over there I personally would avoid pay websites and use the free ones.  While comments were not directed at Julia in particular she should know how most guys feel about pro-daters.

Jetmike74 if your real first name is Raj you have an uphill battle.  Many FSUW do not want to date Indian guys, IMO.  If what Keith wrote is true and it seems genuine, then of course the lady had a right to wait and see about this character.

[Patagonie]

I would add that, independantly of all what have been previously said, that
NO ladies will travel to an unknow destination with a guy who don't even show her a photo. 

[Gylden]

IMO Jetmike, you are mostly responsible for your own concerns here.

1. You are the one who chose to use a pay site (which have the stigmatism earned or not of potential questionable clients/participants).

2.  IMO it is not reasonable to expect such a rapid developement in an online relationship as to demand anything in regard to contact info (remember that it is you who chose to use the site) There are plenty of "free" sites/methods to contact women.

3.   Sorry to say, but the bit about the invitation to share a hotel room places you in my category of an "embarrassment" to men in general.

Please think about this experience and try to understand what is reasonable expectations from both yourself and others who you are in contact with.

[CDW]

NO ladies will travel to an unknow destination with a guy who don't even show her a photo. 

   +1

[Patagonie]

I would add that, independantly of all what have been previously said, that
NO ladies will travel to an unknow destination with a guy who don't even show her a photo. 

I missed the fact that the lady declared that JetMike had sent her some photo joined to the letters, so my post don't apply to this situation.

However the advice is still valuable of course

[Faux Pas]

Keith wouldn't be the first agency owner to hobble over to this forum to defend his agency. I don't suspect he'll be the last either. He may be totally truthful in what he knows or think he knows. I've no idea either way. The fact that he did follow up where there was a complaint says something, his motivations are surely his own.

Keith, in all fairness jetMike made no insinuations that Solted was a prostitute that I saw. Those came from CDW. Which seems quite often to be his first knee jerk reaction to any new poster here telling of an encounter. I wasn't alarmed nor did I see any subsequent info that would indicate she was/is a working girl

jetMike, I too, am a bit perturbed as to your failure to mention that you're offering vacations to this gal after such a short communication. Really, is that how you ask women out for dates at home? Asking a woman on a vacation in that manner is very indicative of your intentions. If you have the experience you claim, you must know that. You come off as a sex tourist and rightfully so. Most any self respecting woman will shut you down immediately. The fact that you were in paid chat might explain why she didn't shut you down immediately. You likely made a mistake many newbies make in the thought that you have the cash and the "upper hand", that you can buy your way to success with these women when the fact is you can't. And if you do most likely it isn't the kind of woman you want unless you are in fact just a sex tourist. If your intentions are true, it's boy meets girl, no short cuts

[Muzh]

Keith wouldn't be the first agency owner to hobble over to this forum to defend his agency. I don't suspect he'll be the last either. He may be totally truthful in what he knows or think he knows. I've no idea either way. The fact that he did follow up where there was a complaint says something, his motivations are surely his own.

Keith, in all fairness jetMike made no insinuations that Solted was a prostitute that I saw. Those came from CDW. Which seems quite often to be his first knee jerk reaction to any new poster here telling of an encounter. I wasn't alarmed nor did I see any subsequent info that would indicate she was/is a working girl

jetMike, I too, am a bit perturbed as to your failure to mention that you're offering vacations to this gal after such a short communication. Really, is that how you ask women out for dates at home? Asking a woman on a vacation in that manner is very indicative of your intentions. If you have the experience you claim, you must know that. You come off as a sex tourist and rightfully so. Most any self respecting woman will shut you down immediately. The fact that you were in paid chat might explain why she didn't shut you down immediately. You likely made a mistake many newbies make in the thought that you have the cash and the "upper hand", that you can buy your way to success with these women when the fact is you can't. And if you do most likely it isn't the kind of woman you want unless you are in fact just a sex tourist. If your intentions are true, it's boy meets girl, no short cuts

FP, you hit the nail squarely in the head.


Also, I feel really bad about the treatment this woman received in this forum, be her real or not. This shows clearly why some of these "dudes" will stay at home typing on a keyboard with one hand.


Egads.

[CDW]

Keith, in all fairness jetMike made no insinuations that Solted was a prostitute that I saw.

really?   Look up and read JetMike's 1st posting

He wrote  "This sounded disgusting to me like prostitution"

[Faux Pas]

really?   Look up and read JetMike's 1st posting

He wrote  "This sounded disgusting to me like prostitution"

I read it as he was referring to the process as prostitution. He didn't call or accuse the woman of being one. You did that

[CDW]

I read it as he was referring to the process as prostitution. He didn't call or accuse the woman of being one. You did that

So?  Are you going to cry to A NON?

[notforone]

My take is: User Solted5 works on behalf of the agency Ukraine Brides or for one of their affiliates in Ivano Frankivsk. Because some guy from NZ (Keith) signs up as a commercial member and tries to appear legit, it doesn't mean his business is legit. As far as I am concerned, Keith has made a lame attempt to cover the very valid suspicions that his business is a total scam.

Julia (Solted5) said on this board that she's seen Raj's (jetmike74) pictures, she knows he's from India, he told her he wants to meet with her in India and stay in the same room. "She" said that she was suspicious about his intentions and that he basically wanted to have her shipped to India in order to boink her. Nevertheless, Julia is so thrilled with Raj's pictures  and the whole prospect of a relationship with him that she decides to give him the chance to continue to spend money chatting with her on the site until she's convinced he's serious enough about their "relationship". Also, I add that from what Raj said in this forum and his boasting about his six figure salary, he may have bragged about it in his communication with her, so they probably know they can milk him for a while.

People who are gullible enough to pay per letter and pay per chat and believe agency owners deserve to be scammed. People who are naive enough to brag about their finances are prime targets are even more deserving to be scammed and taken advantage of. These people pay for expensive life lessons.

I find nothing wrong with the fact that this guy Raj invited her to stay in the same room. If he wants to stay with her in the same room, it's his own business. He was forthcoming with her. If she was bothered, then she should have stopped communication immediately. She didn't and her whole attitude spells: SCAM.

Bottom line: avoid this agency.

[Faux Pas]

So?  Are you going to cry to A NON?

Who's crying moron? I just call them as I see them

[jone]

So?  Are you going to cry to A NON?

I doubt very much that FP would have cry very loud to have an ANON MOD hear him. 

 

For everyone else, if this agency wants to participate and be responsible, follow a different model than PPL or PPC.  It is the same old tired relationship with the same old tired agencies in Eastern Europe.

There are too many of us here who know chapter and verse.  While you may put lipstick on a pig .....

[Faux Pas]

My take is: User Solted5 works on behalf of the agency Ukraine Brides or for one of their affiliates in Ivano Frankivsk. Because some guy from NZ (Keith) signs up as a commercial member and tries to appear legit, it doesn't mean his business is legit. As far as I am concerned, Keith has made a lame attempt to cover the very valid suspicions that his business is a total scam.

Julia (Solted5) said on this board that she's seen Raj's (jetmike74) pictures, she knows he's from India, he told her he wants to meet with her in India and stay in the same room. "She" said that she was suspicious about his intentions and that he basically wanted to have her shipped to India in order to boink her. Nevertheless, Julia is so thrilled with Raj's pictures  and the whole prospect of a relationship with him that she decides to give him the chance to continue to spend money chatting with her on the site until she's convinced he's serious enough about their "relationship". Also, I add that from what Raj said in this forum and his boasting about his six figure salary, he may have bragged about it in his communication with her, so they probably know they can milk him for a while.

People who are gullible enough to pay per letter and pay per chat and believe agency owners deserve to be scammed. People who are naive enough to brag about their finances are prime targets are even more deserving to be scammed and taken advantage of. These people pay for expensive life lessons.

I find nothing wrong with the fact that this guy Raj invited her to stay in the same room. If he wants to stay with her in the same room, it's his own business. He was forthcoming with her. If she was bothered, then she should have stopped communication immediately. She didn't and her whole attitude spells: SCAM.

Bottom line: avoid this agency.

Ah, so you find nothing wrong with asking a woman you haven't met and had scant conversations with on the internet to share a bed with you in a foreign country? You ask this of women you meet at home too, right?

[Doubleshot4UK]

Ah, so you find nothing wrong with asking a woman you haven't met and had scant conversations with on the internet to share a bed with you in a foreign country? You ask this of women you meet at home too, right?

I'm not sure if some one would  spend around 6-10k (travel tickets for 2, hotel expenses, loss of pay etc) , travel across continents to sleep with a women 

Someone is crazy here....

You can get people to sleep for much less, 200 - 600 £ in London.

Yo jetmike74, come here . We can use  a little bit to boost our our economy