Ukraine: Lassitude, Malaise and Hopelessness

[Muzh]

So I think this time a revolution will be as it will be in Russia, gradual. Dictators masquerading as presidents eventually shoot themselves in the foot at some point and the good news is that the clumsy Yanukovich is akin to a one man version of the "3 Stooges" in this 21st Century. He will self destruct at some point, that you can count on. It may take some time, which might be good for Ukrainians to patiently learn about democracy and how to participate so that when the next opportunity arises it won't be wasted.

One of the keys this time will be to keep Washington, a city of well meaning but utterly misguided and idiotic fools, far away from the region so that change can both start and continue as a local and self-governing change. That is change that will last.

If wrong on the timing, I'll rejoice with you.

Mendy, I hate to say that there will be no revolution, gradual or otherwise.

Evolution? well, that is a different story.

[ML]

Dictators masquerading as presidents eventually shoot themselves in the foot at some point and the good news is that the clumsy Yanukovich is akin to a one man version of the "3 Stooges" in this 21st Century. He will self destruct at some point, that you can count on.

Jim, I am not as politically in-tune as you  are, but . . .

I have been gaining a certain type of 'respect' for Yanokovich.

No . . . not that type.

But, here is a guy who has been bombarded for years now with threats of various types from the western governments and has basically said . . . go fock yourselves.

He has been threatened in some  ways by the Russians and has said, perhaps more mildly . . . go fock yourselves.

He has seen bad publicity toward himself and his party from various  sources in Ukraine, and has said go fock yourselves.

Whether from stupidity or whatever; he does what he wants to do, and doesn't bend.

Like him or not; he is a strong man.

Just think what could be accomplished for Ukraine if he were a 'good' strong man.

[mendeleyev]

Muzh:

Mendy, I hate to say that there will be no revolution, gradual or otherwise.

Evolution? well, that is a different story.

We agree, just using different forms to describe it.

[mendeleyev]

Just think what could be accomplished for Ukraine if he were a 'good' strong man.

Agreed, however considering his background I'm not convinced that a leopard can change spots. A case in point would be the prosecution of political opponents. Were his targets of "justice" from a wide variety of corrupt individuals and groups that would be one thing, but he is narrowly focused on those who might challenge him in the future. Classic Soviet thinking and stuck in a cycle of never ending repressions for those who don't play ball with his team.

[Muzh]

Just think what could be accomplished for Ukraine if he were a 'good' strong man.

That would defeat the whole purpose of being a strong man.
 
The benevolent tyrant??

[Fishingguy]

damn I hear about these kind of stories all the time and I'm glad there was some sort of justice. Just makes you want to scream and yell.  Crap like this happens all the time all over the world. The crooks/politicians of the old regime get to plunder the people's wealth and make it their own. Hard to look at a Chinese, Russian or Ukrainian millionaire and not wonder how he or she got their fortune.

saying that..I do know of some hard working and very lucky people who have become wealthy through hard work from Romania, Poland and Russia.  But those kind of people are very lucky and work their tales off and do have to have some connections.

ML:
Sadly that is also the case with apartments in many of the bigger cities, like Kyiv and Kharkiv. Elderly pensioners are often duped and lose their homes by dishonest people who do the same as you describe. I know of a case last year where a small kitchen fire in one apartment prompted fire department inspectors to file for evictions not only on the lady who had the fire, but on the three neighbors sharing her stair landing as well. The racket was to toss the elderly on the street, re-register the apartments and to renovate and resell them for profit.

All were elderly citizens who are near the bottom rung in Ukraine's pecking order. Thankfully in this case all four were receiving food parcels and weekly nursing visits by Western missionaries who went to authorities, up the ladder beyond the ordinary fire inspectors, and with a little exposure the cochroaches vanished into the woodwork. But this is becoming a common problem and normally there is nobody to take up the cause of these folk.

[lordtiberius]

Sir, eventually people will get fed up with this kind of man.  You reap what you sow.  But the wheel of fortune,will turn and once he is out, he is out.  There will be no second acts.  And once, he is gone Ukraine,will have a real leader and a real chance at the 21at century.

Ukrainians understand,the rest  of the world is getting richer.  They dont want to fall behind and can catch up even lead the way quickly.

[Fishingguy]

Klitcho?

[Faux Pas]

Sir, eventually people will get fed up with this kind of man.  You reap what you sow.  But the wheel of fortune,will turn and once he is out, he is out.  There will be no second acts.  And once, he is gone Ukraine,will have a real leader and a real chance at the 21at century.

Ukrainians understand,the rest  of the world is getting richer.  They dont want to fall behind and can catch up even lead the way quickly.

Ever the optimist huh? What makes you so certain they want a "real leader"? History teaches us the people or country ripe for exploitation, get exploited. Which over the course of time is everyone

[lordtiberius]

Because I think the same is true in our country.  You can only get away with ao much . . .

[jone]

Am at Borispol, or I would do this more justice.  Take a look at the link below:

http://newseek.org/articles/567057

[Faux Pas]

Am at Borispol, or I would do this more justice.  Take a look at the link below:

http://newseek.org/articles/567057

Your Russian/Ukrainian has certainly improved if you that read that

[GQBlues]

....Just think what could be accomplished for Ukraine if he were a 'good' strong man.

That would defeat the whole purpose of being a strong man.
 
The benevolent tyrant??

Whoa! This could possibly open up a can of worms...

What if the 'strong man' is bad? Or what if a 'good strong man' is actually 'bad' but was 'good' at pretending to be a 'good strong man'?

...or what if this 'good strong man' is actually also a 'greedy man'? Will the country be better off with someone who is a 'bad strong man' but not a 'greedy man'?

Last I heard, ALL FSUMs mostly have nothing better to do but get drunk and pick up fights everyday and ill-treat their countries' female population. Will they ever sober enough, or take a break from fisticuffs so we can take inventory who are, and which ones are, 'good, strong man' who also happens to be the 'not-so-greedy man'...or should we just assume they never get sober because, well, that's how FSUMs are...(?)

[Muzh]

That would defeat the whole purpose of being a strong man.
 
The benevolent tyrant??


Whoa! This could possibly open up a can of worms...

What if the 'strong man' is bad? Or what if a 'good strong man' is actually 'bad' but was 'good' at pretending to be a 'good strong man'?

...or what if this 'good strong man' is actually also a 'greedy man'? Will the country be better off with someone who is a 'bad strong man' but not a 'greedy man'?

LMAO
 
The sad part is many people DO rationalize this.