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[Daknack]

If it is the same happiness from the other board he would be a damn fool not to have a keylogger for that train wreak in the making.

[Taz]

[user=130]Son of Clyde[/user] wrote:

I was under the impression you should trust the woman from day one.

The keylogger and other spyware should only be brought into the picture in the most extreme of situations.

Tim7, no wonder you have no Mana.

In a previous life working for someone I can't really disclose, I was taught to TRUST but to VERIFY!

So all you can blindly trust but I learned a long to time ago to trust AND verify. Working where I do now they trusted everything I told them about my past history but they also verified it as well; i.e. I got the offer letter BEFORE the background check.

I am not saying be paranoid but if there was something strange going on I'd definitely look into it. I generally trust people until they give me a reason not to though.

As for the whole "mana" thing who really cares? Like all systems it can be gamed. The mana is more about popularity than anything. If you don't like what I say if if my message on target you can hit me for it. Conversely I may be blowing smoke up your rectum but you like it so you reward me.

I could establish a bunch of fake logins and boost up my mana. So what does that prove? To me it is just a gimmick. Before I put much stock in what anybody has written I go back and read their old posts to see where they are coming from. I consider it my due dilligence to see if they are even worth listening to. So if my mana was nil or maxed out it doesn't matter to me. I am not here to win any popularity contests. I am here to share my experience in the hope that it will help others. I could care less if I am BMOC or not. I have a good life outside of this forum but I am glad when I can help others here avoid unforseen mistakes on their part.

[Turboguy]

And what happens if you have a really wonderful girl who is totally honest with you but happens to discover you have a key logger and are checking up on her.   To me someone who has to "verify" someone who has given no reason for distrust is a perfect example for someone who is Paranoid. 

So what you are saying when you applied for this job with the undisclosed orginiazation they verified the information and and assured themselves that you could be trusted.   Of course to do that and to be the same you are telling us they planted bugs in your home and tapped your phone lines and had you followed around, right?

[Taz]

TG- obviously you have never worked in the sensitive fields I have. If you absolutely trust someone without some possible way of verifying you are a fool utterly and absolutely. I don't really feel like dissecting your argument totally as it would be a complete waste of my time but since you need the help I will and it could benefit others here I will.

Whenever you meet someone all you do is verify to some extent what they are telling you. You ask questions that will probe a bit to see if there is any depth to what they are telling you. If someone says the live in Moscow you will often ask them about their city or more about their lives. What you are doing in fact is to some extent VERIFYING or corroborating what they have told you. You may do it subconsciously or without ever realizing it but what you are doing is building trust through verification. Just like when they send you a photo, do you believe that photo? Do you ever do anything to verify it? Actually you verify that photo when you meet them.

If you go to an accountant do you go to someone who you belive has a good reputation or do you just blindly go to anyone you find in the phone book? Perhaps you ask around and see what kind of reputation this accountant actually has? Again this is verification or at the very least validation. You do this so often most people don't even realize they do it.

Do you ever get the phone number of the woman you are writing? Sure you do but you just want to "talk" to her but it also on some level verifies her existence and builds trust. When you ask for her address it further verifies things you believe to be true.

TRUE trust comes with continued exposure and repeated truths from that person. How do you know something is TRUE unless you have someway to verify it? Think about this for a moment. We use all our senses to verify things. Doing things long distance makes it much harder to verify the information we receive. If you are not near that person you find other ways to verify what they are telling you since you can't use the normal senses your body would use to detect falsehoods.

I would wager $1000 if I met you in person and you told me 10 statements (either true or false) I could get 8 or 9 correct if I could watch you and be near you as you told me and told me these statements.

The company I worked for earlier and the one I work for now did extensive background checks. They believed my resume but they also thoroughly vetted it before I actually started to work and during my first few weeks of work. They asked my neighbors abou me. Asked for my school transcripts. Called all my previous employers. Did credit and criminal checks, etc. They gave me the job based on my resume and numerous interviews but I could have easily lost it when they investigated. So they trusted I was telling the truth enough to hire me but they verified it anyway.

Now where did I ever say to use a keylogger? All I have to do is spend time with the person I am interested in. I wouldn't need to use a keylogger unless the person was a pathological liar and I don't normally associate with them. They'd get weeded out pretty quickly. I work in very sensitive industries and they are very strict about integrity. I appreciate in other people and I quite quickly can weed out the dishonest people.

My point is all along the way you will in effect be verifying what people tell you. If not you are one of the folks that P.T. Barnum so colorfully talked about. Think about what I've said and you'll realize I'm not paranoid. You do the exact same things I said but perhaps you view it differently. Verification takes place almost every day in our lives. At some point you have enough trust built up that you no longer need to do it. In the initial phase of a relationship you are building trust with each other and usually by finding ways of verifying it.

 

[Turboguy]

You are right Taz, I never worked in a sensitive field.  If that is what it does to you I am glad I have not.  I have mostly just always worked with people, mostly just good people who generally told the truth and were just out to lead a good life, earn a little money and be happy.  

I guess I am just a gullable fool Taz.   Someone tells me they live in Moscow, I just take for granted they live in Moscow.   I guess I should start verifying.  It would be terrible if I showed up in Moscow to meet a gal and she lived in Vladivistock but told me she lived in Moscow.

I do apprecitate you telling me that when I meet a gal I am doing it to verify their photo.  I always was so dumb I thought I was meeting them because I thought I might like them.   Yes, I have met a few who sent me 10 year old photos but they have been a small percentage and got them nowhere. 

I guess I am an absolute and utter fool Taz, to use your words.  I always beleived in trusting someone until they gave me a reason not to.  Truthfully the gals I have met for the most part never gave me any cause for doubt.   Yes, I get scammers just like everyone does.   They become evident.  Like I had one this week who is a cute gal from Kazan that suddenly told me she would not be able to write me anymore because she could not aford to.  She says was only writing to me and owes the Internet cafe $ 86.00.  Sure, She has written me about 10 letters that sounds like that amount and of course all the internet cafes offer credit.  Umm yes,  She was honest though and said she did not want me to send money to help her.  I wrote her a nice letter and told her I would miss her letters.  Now had I been you I am sure I would have sent her the $ 86.00.  It would have verified where she lives, right.

Sorry Taz, I will pass on the $ 1000 bet about knowing if I was telling lies.   The bet is too easy.  I try to make it a rule to never lie.  Never might be a little too strong, perhaps to spare someones feelings about something.

Yep, I am too gulable Taz.  I don't ask a gal for her address or phone number.  If she offers it fine.   I am not smart enough to have verification in mind realating to addresses and phone numbers.  I just blindly wonder through life beliving all the lies and trusting all the people I meet who are really all low life, conniving liers. 

Thanks for disecting my arguements and pointing all that out.  I am sure we all benefited and have been shown a better way.  Perhaps we can get a group discount on keyloggers, bugs and PI's

[rose]

Sounds like you are a dangerous man to be around. I definetly wouldn't like you snooping through my email accounts...
Try to verify me, and you'll find out so many interesting things about me, you even cannot imagine. But probably the most interesting thing is... surprise! I'm a man!!! I fooled the board, and everybody thought I was a Russian gal! Ha, in reality, I'm a fat Yuri, who came here to learn better ways how to get from you, guys, money or should I spell it mana!!! Oh, whatever, anything will work for me.
But I can bat you, Taz, $1000 that you never could even imagine who I am, as well as the rest of the board!!!

[Daknack]

Sounds like you are a dangerous man to be around. I definetly wouldn't like you snooping through my email accounts...
Try to verify me, and you'll find out so many interesting things about me, you even cannot imagine. But probably the most interesting thing is... surprise! I'm a man!!! I fooled the board, and everybody thought I was a Russian gal! Ha, in reality, I'm a fat Yuri, who came here to learn better ways how to get from you, guys, money or should I spell it mana!!! Oh, whatever, anything will work for me.
But I can bat you, Taz, $1000 that you never could even imagine who I am, as well as the rest of the board!!!

The only important thing to know is your a sexy redhead

[Turboguy]

Ok Taz.   You have a taker.   You have 48 hours to expose Rose or send her $ 1000.00  The game is on!  Go Taz!   Show your stuff guy.

[rose]

Daknack,

You reminded me a movie "Some like it hot". I've just told you that I am a man, and you replied that you care more that I'm a redhead.
What if tomorrow I'll become blonde?

[Daknack]

Daknack,

You reminded me a movie "Some like it hot". I've just told you that I am a man, and you replied that you care more that I'm a redhead.
What if tomorrow I'll become blonde?

We both know your not a man... and if you go blonde I will hire Taz to hunt you down and correct your mistake.

[Turboguy]

Well Rose, if you are a man and you are using a rose as an avitar, my guess is that you loaned Groovstk your photo to use as his avitar.   PM me if I am write and I will send my address for the $ 1000 payment.

[rose]

Daknack,

You reminded me a movie "Some like it hot". I've just told you that I am a man, and you replied that you care more that I'm a redhead.
What if tomorrow I'll become blonde?

We both know your not a man... and if you go blonde I will hire Taz to hunt you down and correct your mistake.
[/quote]

Daknack,How can you be sure? Did you ever at least talk to me on the phone?

I told you I'm a fat Yuri. I just came with a new scam: I'll tell that I'm blond now, Taz will collect the money from Daknack, and we'll share money between us.
Taz, do you want free vacation? Daknack ia paying!!!!

[Taz]

You are right Taz, I never worked in a sensitive field.  If that is what it does to you I am glad I have not.  I have mostly just always worked with people, mostly just good people who generally told the truth and were just out to lead a good life, earn a little money and be happy.  

I guess I am just a gullable fool Taz.   Someone tells me they live in Moscow, I just take for granted they live in Moscow.   I guess I should start verifying.  It would be terrible if I showed up in Moscow to meet a gal and she lived in Vladivistock but told me she lived in Moscow.

I do apprecitate you telling me that when I meet a gal I am doing it to verify their photo.  I always was so dumb I thought I was meeting them because I thought I might like them.   Yes, I have met a few who sent me 10 year old photos but they have been a small percentage and got them nowhere. 

I guess I am an absolute and utter fool Taz, to use your words.  I always beleived in trusting someone until they gave me a reason not to.  Truthfully the gals I have met for the most part never gave me any cause for doubt.   Yes, I get scammers just like everyone does.   They become evident.  Like I had one this week who is a cute gal from Kazan that suddenly told me she would not be able to write me anymore because she could not aford to.  She says was only writing to me and owes the Internet cafe $ 86.00.  Sure, She has written me about 10 letters that sounds like that amount and of course all the internet cafes offer credit.  Umm yes,  She was honest though and said she did not want me to send money to help her.  I wrote her a nice letter and told her I would miss her letters.  Now had I been you I am sure I would have sent her the $ 86.00.  It would have verified where she lives, right.

Sorry Taz, I will pass on the $ 1000 bet about knowing if I was telling lies.   The bet is too easy.  I try to make it a rule to never lie.  Never might be a little too strong, perhaps to spare someones feelings about something.

Yep, I am too gulable Taz.  I don't ask a gal for her address or phone number.  If she offers it fine.   I am not smart enough to have verification in mind realating to addresses and phone numbers.  I just blindly wonder through life beliving all the lies and trusting all the people I meet who are really all low life, conniving liers. 

Thanks for disecting my arguements and pointing all that out.  I am sure we all benefited and have been shown a better way.  Perhaps we can get a group discount on keyloggers, bugs and PI's

Again I ask you since it is apparent you can't read but what you want, where did I MENTION KEYLOGGERS? Where I suggested using bugs or PIs. These are all figments of your imagination.

My point which obviously you somehow missed yet again is that you do these things on a subcouncious level often without you even realizing it. A meeting has many purposes obviously but there is verification and validation going on. If you can't realize it then perhasp you are beyond help. Sure you want to meet her BUT you want to validate (verify) that what you have felt in virtual correspondence is there in "real life". Did I say that the only reason to meet is to verify of course not but obviously AGAIN another point was lost on you. This is not about any one thing being 100% black or white. When you meet the woman and she is as she said she was it reaffirms (verifies) what she told you and that builds trust. If you can't follow that logic then I further discourse is wasted.

There is a fine line betweeen naievete and ignorance. I suspect Darwinisim is at work here. If you operate in real life like you do here you'd never verify the water is pure from some unknown stream but trust it was safe to drink. You must be living in a fantasy land or someplace where you don't have to deal with the real world as unless you are incredibly lucky they'd eat your lunch.

I have to say if it wasn't for people like me you couldn't sit back and relax and enjoy your idyllic existence. I am not a lunatic or paranoid or even remotely delusional. I just happen to do a lot of work in areas where integrity is of the utmost importance and even some of the most "squeaky clean" people are pretty dirty.

I trust people but I realize that verification is one of our defense mechanisms that keep us alive. Apparently you make it seem as though you were born without that one. Would you trust someone who came up to you and told you they needed $10,000 for an operation for their mom or would you do something to verify they actually had that need?

How do you have trust without knowing someone? How do you know someone without knowing (learning, verifying) what they are telling you is true? You do it every day and you just don't realize it.

[rose]

Taz, you are too boring, just get damn money from Daknack and let's have some fun!!!

[Taz]

Sure a vacation sounds great right about now. Although I am not into Fat Yuri. I'll settle if you are blonde instead as I am not too much into redheads.

Just need to make sure that people who can't read will understand. I never have ever advocated in this thread or in any other thread the use of keystroke loggers, PIs or the like.

[rose]

Since Daknack is ready to pay somebody to change MY hair color, you are not the sole candidate to get hired, I think... I probably need to look for somebody else who would agree to collect money, because this is my scam, and I cannot be substituted by some blond.

[Taz]

I'll have to verify you are a redhead before you can change to a blonde. If you are Fat Yuri I still don't want to vacation with you but I'll collect the money.

Now if you are not Fat Yuri I need to check top and bottom to see if you are a real readhead!

[Turboguy]

Taz,  You did not mention Keyloggers..........  Tim did.  You implied that you should not trust someone.    The underlying tone of your post was one of mistrust and suspicion, at least as I read it.  Sometimes people just don't word things well.  I am content to say that perhaps we just look at things differently.

Yes, I will grant that I subconsiously verify people.   There is a difference between meeting someone and having them say things that don't ring true and that causing you to have some concerns about them and asking for their phone number and address to find out if they are real people and who they say they are.   The former is having some ability to read people and the later is having a suspicuous mind and being a bit paranoid.   Sometimes in this game it may pay to be a little paranoid.  Personally I will take my chances.  It is just a matter of how far you take it.

If someone is going to go to exreames I feel sorry for thier mate.  I hope you are not that type but you do have me thinking you well could be.

Would I trust someone who came up to me and said they needed $ 10,000 for an operation for their mom or would I trust them.   I would trust them of course.  You think I am going to call the hospital and find out if their mother is really a patient.   I have had things like that happen a lot.  I have never verified things at all.  Sometimes I got stiffed.  Sometimes I haven't.   I have rescued houses from being repossesed, cars from being repo'd, people from bankrupcy, loaned money for cars and trucks, medical bills, you name it.   I would love to have what I did not get back but in some cases it did help people a lot.   In other cases I was used and abused.  It's only money.   That is why it grows on tress, so you can help people. 

Taz, get your checkbook out you only have 46 hours left and you are so good.  You are the expert Taz.   I am pretty sure I have figured out who Rose is.  .  I know exactly what Rose looks like.   Sorry Daknack, no red head.  Long blond hair in the photo I saw.

 

[Turboguy]

Pretty too, but married. 

[rose]

PM me your pic, your address, #of your DL and credit card(you can put several cards), SSN.
And if I'll be satisfied with the provided data, I might consider your proposal.

[Jooky]

Where is Tim? Where are rules 5-10?

I have my keylogger, hidden cameras and bugs ready. What else do I need to do?

Help!

[Taz]

TG - I don't need to go around verifying people. If I feel I really need to go to great lengths to verify what people are telling me then I am obviously with the wrong person.

I used to be more trusting until I spent more time in big cities. I am still trusting but I listen more carefully and look for other clues. I have better things with my life than snooping in someone's keyboard for what they are doing. Sure I could easily do it but why?

I truly prefer that relationships are built on trust, it is the only way they will survive. That is what I aspire to. But how can I trust anyone unless I know they are telling me the truth.

I maybe am more cautious than most. I think we agree on many things but have a different approach. What worked for me when I lived in a town of 700 people would get me killed in Moscow or NYC. Your level of trust has to be relative to the environment you are living or working it. I have to be more careful now. I am not saying I want to be because it takes more energy but I need to be.

[Taz]

  Sorry Daknack, no red head.  Long blond hair in the photo I saw.

 

Wait just a sec. I'll get my remote webcam going and see what she looks like. Heyyy, wait a minute, she really needs to shave her legs...

[Taz]

She has nice eyes too and... red hair.

[Taz]

Oppps, wrong person it was TurboGuy.