Steveboy's Conspiracy Theories

[Shadow]

Do you really think he'd get a fair hearing there?  He was really annoying and TEDIOUS, but what he had to say was relevant.  His fishing expedition was legit because of the collegiaility of the forums.  He was right to question its practices.  The way he did it was of course tactless.  My $ .02, what do you think?

Nothing legit about his accusations. As for the rest, he probably has a motive to do what he does, and as I am used to think ahead I can think of something. His behaviour brings back memories of what happened elsewhere long ago.

[lordtiberius]

I see your pov but I disagree with it.  The people he is going after are the same people (and they post here) are holier than thou, "we're not scammers" and yet they stuff they say, doesn't add up.  How are you going to be the go to guy if you are routinely insulting your posters to build up traffic and then complain about the topics . . .

[Admin]

I see your pov but I disagree with it.  The people he is going after are the same people (and they post here) are holier than thou, "we're not scammers" and yet they stuff they say, doesn't add up.  How are you going to be the go to guy if you are routinely insulting your posters to build up traffic and then complain about the topics . . .

Unless you are pointing at specific events here at RWD (and I do not think you are), the issue is moot. Take your complaints with other fora . . . . to those other fora. It matters not whether you agree with this position. The simple facts are that persistent complaints about other fora are almost always nothing more than someone having gotten crosswise with that other fora (as you indicated in your introductory post). RWD is NOT going to be disrupted by those who have an issue with other fora.

If you are here to be a contributing and productive member of the community HERE - then you are welcome. If not, you are encouraged (maybe even compelled) to 'air your beef' elsewhere.

- Dan

[lordtiberius]

Question, does the community have an interest in identifying scammers?

[Shadow]

Question, does the community have an interest in identifying scammers?

I believe that in most cases it is far better to educate about scam methods as to post names and pictures. There is a good reason for this.
When investigating on to this field (mostly before being married as currently I have no interest in browsing dating sites) it has become clear to me that the majority of scams could be traced back to a few small groups of individuals. These groups operate as a criminal organization, mining pictures and profiles from social media, then inventing a new name to lure men in to the profile they post on various sites.
Without doubt they will use some straw men pretending to be local agencies to get their profiles in to the big players, sometimes with and sometimes without knowledge of the respective owners.
This means that if you list the name, mail address and picture of a scammer in most cases you are posting false data and pictures of someone who has not a single clue her face (and body) is used for scamming.
Once you understand this, you know that posting names and pictures is only useful if you have had a way to ensure that they are correct. And even in that case the sttory should be clear regarding it being a scam, as a number of scam/pro-dater stories turned out to be men who decided to smear the woman's reputation after being turned down.

This is why it is far more effective to give information about scam methods than listing the actual named. Pictures and names change, methods of operating stay mainly the same.

[lordtiberius]

I believe that in most cases it is far better to educate about scam methods as to post names and pictures. There is a good reason for this.
When investigating on to this field (mostly before being married as currently I have no interest in browsing dating sites) it has become clear to me that the majority of scams could be traced back to a few small groups of individuals. These groups operate as a criminal organization, mining pictures and profiles from social media, then inventing a new name to lure men in to the profile they post on various sites.
Without doubt they will use some straw men pretending to be local agencies to get their profiles in to the big players, sometimes with and sometimes without knowledge of the respective owners.
This means that if you list the name, mail address and picture of a scammer in most cases you are posting false data and pictures of someone who has not a single clue her face (and body) is used for scamming.
Once you understand this, you know that posting names and pictures is only useful if you have had a way to ensure that they are correct. And even in that case the sttory should be clear regarding it being a scam, as a number of scam/pro-dater stories turned out to be men who decided to smear the woman's reputation after being turned down.

This is why it is far more effective to give information about scam methods than listing the actual named. Pictures and names change, methods of operating stay mainly the same.

Do you think Steveboy was a scammer?

Personally I was very disappointed by his posts.  I am always interested in hearing his experiences and insights in Saint Pete - culture, must see places, the mentality of the ladies, culture stuff.  I find expats fascinating and am curious why he choose his line of work.  What we got was anything but . . .

The thurst of Steveboy's posts were on other forums and yes, that sort of thing should be handled off site once he learned that RWD has no business relationship with Adate, EM or the other forums.  That said the business practices of these men seem to me IMHO  [redacted]

[Shadow]

Do you think Steveboy was a scammer?

I wonder why you talk about him in the past tense. As far as I know he is still a member here. I have no reason to believe he is a scammer, and as my interest in researching dating sites is very limited it is up to others to judge that part of his business.

[Daveman]

Do you think Steveboy was a scammer?

No....  That being said, his behavior is very reminiscent of other commercial members past (and present, come to think about it).  Not all, mind you, but some.  While at this point it's a null hypothesis, one possible common denominator is the old adage "There is no such thing as bad publicity".


Then again, he could really have thought there was an EM conspiracy furtively afoot.  :shrug: 

Personally I was very disappointed by his posts.  I am always interested in hearing his experiences and insights in Saint Pete - culture, must see places, the mentality of the ladies, culture stuff.  I find expats fascinating and am curious why he choose his line of work.  What we got was anything but . . .

Steve goes against the common grain in many ways. That's not a bad thing at all on a forum. Differing viewpoints are always welcomed by RWD and then it becomes up to the members to shake those differing opinions out.

The thurst of Steveboy's posts were on other forums and yes, that sort of thing should be handled off site once he learned that RWD has no business relationship with Adate, EM or the other forums.  That said the business practices of these men seem to me IMHO  [redacted]

Mehhhh.. people get caught up in a topic sometimes, for a variety of reasons.  Steveboy is welcome here, even after this mini fiasco, as long as he puts it behind him as we all must sometimes do.

[JayH]

Ok let me ask this, why would any legitimate business/web site working in the rat infested MOB industry wish to hide the owner of their web site? Is there anything to hide?

Steve -I  find pointless prolific posting a pia !!
On the question you pose---  in my world I have been a minor celebrity and hence potentially in a wider audiences notice-- it is very easy for me to understand why anyone would prefer to be out of 'site".  That is particularly so on inet based business where all see themselves as equals and qualified on every topic!! That is before those with head problems are considered -- so very easy to understand anonymity.All that before the connections of the mob industry are raised.
That said-- a site like this we all tend to believe in it's independence and neutrality--or I do not think we would stay here.
Of course--I do not agree with anonymous mods on this site- at the least privately we should know who is moderating.  That said--it is minor side issue.
So Steve--why is Manny so hostile and critical of you?

[Daveman]

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So Steve--why is Manny so hostile and critical of you?

The answer would be speculative at best and even if it weren't, the question needs to be posed, and answered, elsewhere, i.e., not on RWD.


It would be a good idea to let this topic fade.

[southernX]

stevie boy got the type of responses his style of posting earns imho

it was easy fun to pull him by the tail 


however i dont think he was genuine in his theorys & claims , he didnt substantiate any of his ramblings ,

he did get publicity for his site , such as it is ,which upon investigation  it gave me the impression of being more of an escort agency set up tbh 

the overall impression one gleaned from him was the busines he is involved in , in his opinion is dirty , with no integrity etc etc , he it seems uses that outlook as his own handbook on how he conducts himself ,
 
he &  his site are probably  best avoided for any genuine person interested in a serious relationship imho

 ask yourself could you envisage , trusting this guys values and proffesionalism to help you into a long standing relationship & marriage ?? given how he has conducted himself here ..   seriously ??

SX

[lordtiberius]

ask yourself could you envisage , trusting this guys values and proffesionalism to help you into a long standing relationship & marriage ?? given how he has conducted himself here ..   seriously ??

Concur.  All Dash and no Ballast

[tfcrew]

Selling dating accounts has become a local issue here in Texas.
The state attny general wants to stop a xfer of services to an agency in Canada.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/10/greg_abbott_wants_to_stop_a_ba.php

[JohnDearGreen]

I dont think so,  Just find it strange there has NEVER been a bad word said about EM on this forum:) Which is very strange, I mean you will find some bad feedback about every site its normal, no site is perfect!

The former kievstar mentioned several times about the number of hookers on EM site from Kyiv.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9056.msg169548#msg169548

[JohnDearGreen]

...The simple reason why they are not singing praises about my site here is because there are so few new guys coming to the forum, traffic is nearly zilch...

Ah, so they are no longer 'in their thousands' ? Pity for you, but what may have caused such an alarming decline in your membership ?

Sandro, I think he was referring to so few new guys coming into this forum, not steve's forum.
Probably due to occasional flood of off-topic posts about politics.  Why would any newby want
to post a serious message, only for it to get lost amongst 4 dozen posts about Obama?  The
"selective justice" of some of the moderators is worse than Yanukovych.   They only jump on newbies like Steve and ignore rules violations by their cronies.

[AnonMod]

The "selective justice" of some of the moderators is worse than Yanukovych.   They only jump on newbies like Steve and ignore rules violations by their cronies.

This is inaccurate.  I have reviewed the moderation log over the past month.  Not one post by steveboy was edited or moderated.  His thread was merged, as the topics were the same subject theme.

On the other hand, two long time posters had posts deleted, and two so called cronies had posts edited.

[JohnDearGreen]

This is inaccurate. 

'You agree to refrain from posting any ethnic, racial, religious, or political commentary which is not directly related to the theme of this site and/or which may be interpreted by others as being offensive or insulting."

I believe lordt was reprimanded after one period of ranting about religion.  Please apply same level of justice to off-theme political posts.   Can you reference any instance where posts about politics have been reprimanded?

[Daveman]

'You agree to refrain from posting any ethnic, racial, religious, or political commentary which is not directly related to the theme of this site and/or which may be interpreted by others as being offensive or insulting."

I believe lordt was reprimanded after one period of ranting about religion.  Please apply same level of justice to off-theme political posts.   Can you reference any instance where posts about politics have been reprimanded?

Ahh, but political rants expose the depths individuals will plunge into sheer Horse's Assery.  It's a public service.

[Gator]

You have no idea what goes on in the dating business. The Russian dating niche is the dirtiest god dam business you can possibly ever be involved in! 
just saying)

Maybe so.  The RW dating business seems to have contaminated you given how you raise the unsubstantiated  idea that RWD is somehow influenced if not controlled by EM management.
 
Years ago MOB agencies followed mostly a pay-by-the-letter business model with letters filtered if not written by the agency rather than RW.  EM's model offered a refreshing difference with men and women communicating directly.  I used EM and found it to foster genuine communication with sincere women.  Other men at RWD had a good experience with EM; hence, several of us recommended EM to newbies.

FYI, I met  my wife in 2005 not through EM but freepersonals.com. 

[die_cast]

About scammers on EM...

Profile (btw, it's listed in "Most popular girls ") http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=4786371
She/he stole those pics from http://www.gh0stparties.com/2013/03/kevyn-aucoin-sensual-skin-enhancer-daily-makeup-8.html

Sometimes Google can be very useful. 

[JayH]

Sometimes Google can be very useful. 

Beats making the effort to improve oneself !!
I often wonder why so many seem the think  EM is immune as a website  from the issues that plague other notorious sites.

btw  Ms d-c-- you still on there!!!  lol

[die_cast]

I'm still there, Jay. Why not? 

[JayH]

I'm still there, Jay. Why not? 

Thought you may vou  been snapped up !! lol 

[steveboy]

So Steve--why is Manny so hostile and critical of you?

I never discuss personal matters in public. That matter with Manny is resolved and there is nothing to be critical of me)

As for some fools thinking Im a scammer "Silly people" Im one of the most transparent people in the MOB business , if you check out redsquarecupid.com, do I hide anything?
 

[Manny]

That matter with Manny is resolved

Indeed.