Divorce finally final after 3 years and 3 different lawyers for her.

[GregfromGa]

So BillyB I've obviously been away for a while. Is this your first marriage to a RW/UW?   I know you've been here a while. More than most. I'm sorry I haven't followed and kept up better. There have been a number of good guys here that thought they had it all figured it only to have the wind let out of their sails. Stay humble my friend. I'm kind of on the same lines as Ditka, sometimes I'd rather be lucky. Lottery winners aint good at picking numbers. Since more international marriages end in divorce than not, well you get the jest of my point. Again hope the best for you. How's that/

[lordtiberius]

No one knows the weight of another man's burden.

[Doll]

   
 
 Don't blame those forums. Your ex chose to read crap. If a guy comes to this forum and read divorce stories and scams, he may get paranoid and turned off. If a guy reads happy stories, he may get motivated to proceed to find a RW.
 
 
 
 

Russian women forums aren't bigger crap than this one.
Be nice.
I am sorry but Greg's wife divorced him because she wanted so, it has nothing to do with any forums at all.
She might have some support there- just like Greg is getting the support from you guys.
Sure- forums are to blame, MIL is to blame.
It takes two people to dance tango to get divorced- husband and wife.

[lordtiberius]

That's a lie.

It just takes one person to say 'I quit.'  So much for death do you part or forsaking others.

[YoungBuck]

I know this is far from a scientific poll but does anyone keep track of the divorce rate between the membership and RW?

I think it would be helpful for new guys like me to get an idea of what to expect even after you successfully woo a RW.

 another thing,  is this simply an  adaptation issue?  would RW  already living in the U.S. be better prospects,  or is it the dynamics of the MOB  relationship?

once I read that MOB  relationships are inherently flawed.  one party always approaches from a position of weakness,  either the lonely man,  or the desperate woman. just thinking out loud as a wait for my flight...

[Boethius]

I know this is far from a scientific poll but does anyone keep track of the divorce rate between the membership and RW?

I think it would be helpful for new guys like me to get an idea of what to expect even after you successfully woo a RW.

 another thing,  is this simply an  adaptation issue?  would RW  already living in the U.S. be better prospects,  or is it the dynamics of the MOB  relationship?

once I read that MOB  relationships are inherently flawed.  one party always approaches from a position of weakness,  either the lonely man,  or the desperate woman. just thinking out loud as a wait for my flight...

I don't believe it is adaptation.  I don't believe it has to do with culture.  It all comes down to two people and how they treat one another.  I agree with Doll in that virtually no divorce is one sided.  Something drives someone who was in love enough to marry, in some cases, in love enough to have children together, in love enough to build a family life, to decide to throw that all away.   I also do believe luck plays a role, not in marriage, but in finding the right person, because you can never really know a person until you have lived with him/her.


At the end of the day, forgiving those who have wronged you is important, if not for them, then for yourself. 


Don't look for a formula, YB.  It doesn't exist.

[BillyB]

 

Is this your first marriage to a RW/UW?

Married a Ukrainian lady I met in the States in the late 90's. We were not compatible but I wasn't turned off by a divorce and continued to date FSU women.
 
 

There have been a number of good guys here that thought they had it all figured it only to have the wind let out of their sails.

Divorce can be ugly but it's best people move on, live happy lives no matter what kind of crap life throws at them.
 
 

Russian women forums aren't bigger crap than this one.
Be nice.

It was not my intention to say women forums are crap. Greg's ex chose to read the crap that existed in those forums and thus the forums aren't to blame. She probably chose to read the threads on how to divorce and get the most out of a man instead of the threads by women who offer advice on how to repair and facilitate a happy and healthy marriage.
 
 

I know this is far from a scientific poll but does anyone keep track of the divorce rate between the membership and RW?

I remember someone posted statistics that these kind of relationships have less of a divorce rate than the standard in America but these kinds of relationships haven't been around 50 years so the study may have some flaws.
 
Everybody is different and thus would increase or decrease their odds in a successful marriage. A guy can come here, get advice, study and become an expert on culture and language and still be an unattractive mate for ladies. If he's lucky enough to find a lady who'd marry him, he may not last long.
 
Another scenario is that a guy may be an attractive mate for many ladies but his problem could be identifying wife material and he marries all the wrong girls.
 
If two good people get together, good things happen. No matter the culture barriers, language barriers, problems we all go through and changes throughout our lives, good people tend to overcome the barriers, fix the problems, and make changes to improve the relationship.
 

[Ade]

For those new to the story, Greg has posted many times that he was pissed with his ex wife for teaching his kids Russian instead of English. When it was suggested that he spends some time with his kids teaching them his mother tongue he made the excuse that he wasn't at home enough - so, absent father too. We can perhaps start to see why she "changed".

The superstitions he mentions are generally par for the course when you marry a village girl. You pretty much get what you ask for there I'm afraid.

For what it's worth; it's a damn good thing when a FSUW speaks to your kids in their native langue and the experts even recommend it. Kids will always end up preferring the language of their peers eventually anyway.  Any extra languages they pick up on the way are a bonus and good for their development.

[lordtiberius]

Kudos to AnonMod for the Ade edit.   

BB, you have what is called in Rooskie a spore-knee Va PROSS bc of the cirxumstances of your marriage & u kick a man when he's down.  Classy

Glad I am not in need of adump truck in NE California.

Divorce is incase you don't know very painful.  If you want to pour salt on wounds and call it cleaning maggots.  Your right under TOS.  But it makes you weak in my eyes as ou have no tact or compassion.  But maybe you amd Ade go to the same church.  idk

your move sugar dad.

[mendeleyev]

I agree on the languages and on the fact that few divorces are the result of just one person. However I don't want to dump on Greg right now as that is counterproductive at this stage of his life.

[lordtiberius]

Ira Glass's Mum Sydney studied cheaters.  She found that women cheat SLIGHTLY less than men and that they do cheat even when their marriages are good.

Some of you can call a square peg round and shove it in a hole, but I won't.  The fact is 2 people made a promise and one person kept it.  You can reverse engineer it and Monday morning   quarterback it all you want, but the fact is there is no excusing the practioners of cuckolding.  Nothing.

Further because children are involved this man's rights and the rights of the children to living in an in tact home trump hu$$y wishes.

I don't care if GregInGA is Adolf Hitler, no1 put a gun to Mrs. Hitler.s head.  Gimme a break

[Boethius]

The fact is no one knows the truth but Greg and his ex wife.

Nothing is gained by speculating, and it isn't useful.

[GregfromGa]

For those new to the story, Greg has posted many times that he was pissed with his ex wife for teaching his kids Russian instead of English. When it was suggested that he spends some time with his kids teaching them his mother tongue he made the excuse that he wasn't at home enough - so, absent father too. We can perhaps start to see why she "changed".

The superstitions he mentions are generally par for the course when you marry a village girl. You pretty much get what you ask for there I'm afraid.

For what it's worth; it's a damn good thing when a FSUW speaks to your kids in their native langue and the experts even recommend it. Kids will always end up preferring the language of their peers eventually anyway.  Any extra languages they pick up on the way are a bonus and good for their development.

For those new  to the story I was never ever an absent father. I cant ever recall not being in my house with the exception of maybe 3 or 4 nights over a 7 years period where I was working.  My little girl speak fluent Russian and her English is well now. It has taken a couple  years of speech therapy because obviously the Russian sounds and the English aren't exactly the same. She's doing great now. I started getting my boy when he was 6 months so obviously he started speaking English at least a year ahead of her and all kids are different I know but socially he is miles and miles ahead of her.  As for cheating I have no doubts whatsoever that my ex never cheated while we were together. I am so happy that it is finally over. Of course it's not the final chapter as we have the rest of our lives to raise our kids. Of course there are two sides to every story. I've told the truth since the beginning here. I guess some people might come here and lie for whatever reason but why?  I'm not here looking for sympathy. Because of my charm, good looking and personality I date as much as I want. LOL   I've only had my kids around a girlfriend if they had kids. The guy that married my ex never spent a day with my kids until they were married. After two weeks he had already spanked them both. I approached him during a child swap and made it clear in no uncertain terms that if he put his hands on my children again he would need more than the 6 weeks of military training her received at Paris Island. He knows this.   If I spanked my G7 while at home she would threaten to call the law. I have my home back. It's paid for. My kids love it out here. No worries. Life is good.
 

[Doll]

That's a lie.

It just takes one person to say 'I quit.'  So much for death do you part or forsaking others.

To say "I quit" may take one person but to get to this point it takes two.

[Doll]

 
 
 
   
It was not my intention to say women forums are crap. Greg's ex chose to read the crap that existed in those forums and thus the forums aren't to blame. She probably chose to read the threads on how to divorce and get the most out of a man instead of the threads by women who offer advice on how to repair and facilitate a happy and healthy marriage.
 
 

How do you know what she read and IF she read any of this "stuff" at all?
"Probably" she did this, she did that.
Have you ever read these forums?
I do both- this and that one and I'll tell you that RWD is more "gloomy" then that one.
But read the OP over- ex is "wrong", MIL is worse))), Russian women forums are poisoning, tha guy ex married is a looser (he is a military!)
Hello!
BTW I know that the divorce between by husband and his ex was ugly BUT over 12 years I've never head a single bad word about her except "she was not happy with me".

[GregfromGa]

How do you know what she read and IF she read any of this "stuff" at all?
"Probably" she did this, she did that.
Have you ever read these forums?
I do both- this and that one and I'll tell you that RWD is more "gloomy" then that one.
But read the OP over- ex is "wrong", MIL is worse))), Russian women forums are poisoning, tha guy ex married is a looser (he is a military!)
Hello!
BTW I know that the divorce between by husband and his ex was ugly BUT over 12 years I've never head a single bad word about her except "she was not happy with me".

Doll you've misread here love. If you have kept up over the years you would know I never said ex was wrong and MIL is worse. I said ex is a loon, MIL is Satan and the new husband is a loser because he was in the military 10 minutes and gets a check, he's a loser because he has the audacity to have a RETIRED MARINE tag on his Mustang GT and he's lived with his parents for the last 2 years. Certainly not trying to take away anything from military guys but at least finish basic before you label yourself RETIRED MARINE.
I guess I'm more disappointed that she moved off from this house and left our cat to fend for himself.  I mean how hard would it have been to pick up the phone and say "hey you know that cat we've had since he was an abandoned kitten  10 years ago, well how about taking him a bag of food by there and opening it up and sticking it on the back deck".

[Doll]

No, I have not kept up with years

[Doll]

Off topic question- how can you be in the Military for 3 months without getting through basic training? BMT is what it starts with.

[GregfromGa]

 

Off topic question- how can you be in the Military for 3 months without getting through basic training? BMT is what it starts with.

Who knows?   All I know is he never served out and he gets a check. Was I there? Did I see him climb the ropes and jump in the water? No but all I know is he is a washout after a few months. Joined in his 30's for some reason and didn't see it through. I guess he hurt his knee or his back or his finger. Don't exactly know as military records are somewhat confidential. LOL. I did a little homework as my kids are under his roof now. He was married for 6 months before and he's held too many jobs to count. I've known him for 20 years as I used to coach his age group in little league baseball. I have no doubts my son will come live with me when he is of age. Now Doll I'm really not ready to turn this thread into about him. Not really ready to turn it into anything really. I just came here and merely said that after 3 long years I got my divorce. 

[Doll]

I said it was off topic question as my son is in AF and his BMT was the first thing to do.
Ok, ok, chill down
(you didn't react on YB "another thread" question about dating Russians in the US ).
How old are the kids, Greg?

[GregfromGa]

I said it was off topic question as my son is in AF and his BMT was the first thing to do.
Ok, ok, chill down
(you didn't react on YB "another thread" question about dating Russians in the US ).
How old are the kids, Greg?

I'm chilled sweetie. Me and you have always been like peas and carrots here. Always liked you. Kids are 4B AND 7G.   Didn't see the dating Russians in US thing. I might. Not wanting to move to Brighton Beach though. LOL

[GregfromGa]

I said it was off topic question as my son is in AF and his BMT was the first thing to do.
Ok, ok, chill down
(you didn't react on YB "another thread" question about dating Russians in the US ).
How old are the kids, Greg?

Who do you have in mind Doll? LOL,  I've had all my shots and I'm housebroken for the most part. I'm low maintainence as well. She wouldn't have to spend a lot keeping me up. LOL

[pitbull]

Greg,


Did you get the 50/50 custody?

[GregfromGa]

Greg,


Did you get the 50/50 custody?

  No we have joint custody with her being the primary. In Georgia someone has to be. I have a great visitation plan. Every other weekend and every Wed night. Lots of time for major holidays. I'm happy with what I have. I will get more time I know once her baby arrives. At 13 a kid can live with who they want. It took her getting preg to basically force it. Two of her lawyers quit on her. This last guy was ready to get it over and done. I got a good deal if there is such a thing.
 

[fathertime]

I find your story intersting Greg,


If it were me, I think I would be completely delighted by the new freedom, especially since you had a hard time with some of the ex-wife's habits/customs...The ice cream thing you mentioned would be aggravating...my wife has a couple of those weird things too...I accept that I'm going to catch a little hell but do them anyway...no biggee for me.




I'm guessing your age is somewhere in the 50's...What do you intend to do in terms of dating now? Your children are young and I think you are probably correct in your assessment regarding your wife wanting less time with them after her new child is born.  I had a 50/50 after my divorce with an AM, which still gave me plenty of time to enjoy women and other things. 


Good luck with it all,


Fathertime!