how long did it take you to find someone?

[BC]

How long?

5 minutes.

wasn't planned, just happened.

that's the way it should go.....

[YoungBuck]

  So there, YoungBuck. You got a great perspective from a woman who was in EM and the international dating gambit before.

So let me repeat what I said before which is pretty much what Aloe said....

This also explains my apprehension of NOT readily recommending EM to anyone (or the MOB as a whole - especially these days when these women already ARE in your neighborhoods). I've seen two of the women's pic featured in these EM ads you see here that I went to meet back in early '04. As beautiful as those women were/are, they can't possibly be still on EM 'looking'. OTOH, like Aloe's experience suggested, it must really be insanely slim-pickings for these women, LOL.

As ugly as I am, those two had more than high hopes when they were with me in '04 hoping I'd pick 'em. So the guys that came after must just be downright disgusting.

Anyway, the only problem I have with that is, if they are in fact still there and is still looking - at least update the pics. Otherwise their pictures are at least 9-10 years old and they can't possibly still be as delicious and fresh today like they did 10 years before, no?

But, that's the MOB. I know I'm breaking my own creed by telling you stick with the MOB. But I'm making an exception with you solely based on your posts and the way you relate to women. You are adamant about believing your life's experiences dealing with women are borne by faults that reside with the women and not with you. So I know with that type of attitude, you fit perfectly well with the rest of the MOBers. But since these interactions begin in the internet, I am hopeful that you can at least rise above many of the men in appearance.

The *age* factor is not necessarily working for you either because your age range will be women who are 'prime' choice both by the 'younger' studs. Both local and international who understand women a helluva better than you. And yes, even old farts loose with money who'd rather have a nubile on high heels than a Hoverround.

But as bad as this may seem, the MOB is still your best bet. It may seem like an oxymoron but most thing in the MOB are an oxymoron.

I don't know your story,  but are you married?  were married?  you have a weird way of writing,  sprinkling advice with insults,  so I'm hoping this is your online persona and that you're more pleasant in real life.

and yes, the women that I meet are the problem. I've traveled to other places and my college has an international  population of 30% so I've met  and continue to meet women from all over the world,  even in the U.S.

 people who are attracted to the western lifestyle tend to be non traditional. people who go to college tend to be very liberal (hook up culture,   drugs, etc). believe it or not but I'm not  hurting for female attention,  just hurting from the kind I want (traditional,  educated, ambitious,  etc.)

 unfortunately  in Mexico and Brazil the whole mob  thing is taboo,  so the goods are odd. I  have a few friends and family members who go there to meet agency girls and they tell me the same.

[Boethius]

No, he is right YB.  The problem is with you, not with the women.

[YoungBuck]

No, he is right YB.  The problem is with you, not with the women.

 so dinosaurs  and dinosaurs at heart are the problem. I guess that's how the world goes,  when doing drugs,  sleeping around,  etc.  is viewed as normal then the guys who want a family and lead an honorable life are problematic.

expecting decency  and respect is then too much to ask nowadays.  yeah I'm the problem...

[Daveman]

No, he is right YB.  The problem is with you, not with the women.

I agree, but I think it's just the shape of his head that's strange.


    


YB, females are generally responsive by nature.  If they like you, as you say, and then, as you also say, become repulsed - then you are somehow triggering that response.  It is an exceedingly rare woman who receives a celestial epiphany from the wild blue yonder to go on a jihad of active repulsion.

[YoungBuck]

I agree, but I think it's evilwho tojust the shape of his head that's strange.


    


YB, females are generally responsive by nature.  If they like you, as you say, and then, as you also say, become repulsed - then you are somehow triggering that response.  It is an exceedingly rare woman who receives a celestial epiphany from the wild blue yonder to go on a jihad of active repulsion.

 my friend had a traditional family,  and she hated it.  she resented the limitations such as curfews, who  to date,  what to wear. I  saw her go from a quiet  studious girl,  to a  cynical college dropout.  I told her that family was controlling but protecting with the control.  now she gets it,  but when she was dating,  any sign of that traditional mindset,  and protective behavior drew ire.

 people have their traumas,  and it's difficult to separate,  so they not like ME,  or some trauma inducing aspect of mine.

[YoungBuck]

 here's a scientific study on the dating landscape I'm experiencing.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12110-010-9089-x

 yeah I could date a traditional,  non intellectual, who would most likely be very beautiful,  nothing,  etc.   but I really want the whole enchilada.  that's why I tried this mob  thing. 

[Daveman]

How do you define "traditional"?  Really, think about that.  Traditional can have a variety of meanings depending on individual background and is one of the most ambiguous terms used around these parts.


I don't really see a family as "controlling" as you mentioned, but my first thoughts while reading your descriptions was that you were probably coming across to women as needy/clingy and/or controlling.  No need to respond to that. Just mentioning my first impressions - take that for what it's worth.



Describe your ideal woman in as great of detail as possible.. really.. think about it... when you visualize  this special woman, what do you see? 


Of course, educated, traditional, normal shaped head (jees that was hilarious, man... yeah, there are a variety of "skull types" around the world, but that comment caught me off guard...) etc.. but really get into detail.  You may discover some interesting contradictions, or a new way of looking at this.. no joke, get into it..  it's an extremely useful mini project.

[Konfushus]

You have to understand what kind of audience these websites attract. I'd say i only liked 1 in 100 profiles. I had looked through dozens of pages to find 10 men profiles i liked on EM.  Out of those 10, zero were interested in me.

Is it really that bad? Your description makes it sounds like a semi-normal guy could create a profile on Elenas and have no competition. So, I'm curious. I took a look.

Here's the age breakdown with number of profiles -

18-30 - 3280
31-40 - 4820
41-50 - 5500
51-60 - 3640
61-70 - 1020
71+ - 140

I looked through a few pages in each age range. Looks like a normal bunch of men, not the losers I was expecting. I made a comparison to some regular dating sites and the dudes on Elenas actually appear to be above average in general. Surprising really.

Strange that only the hugely overweight dudes 50+ showed you interest. (I'm assuming you were in your 20s). Even in the over 50s group, it appears maybe 1/10 are overweight. Somehow you got the attention of only the least desireable men on the site. It could be as you say though, everyone is writing to the top women and the rest get ignored.

[Konfushus]

Now men were raised believing that a good job, nice personality and clean look will get you the girl.

And the girl would be hot .... right ? That's where you went wrong. I'm glad I wasn't raised (misled) that way. You want to get the girl, you need to attract her. She needs to feel good, both comfortable and excited around you.

also the typical mober  is divorced  or approaching the wall, and is desperate.

I don't know about that. Better to focus on yourself rather than your competition or perceived lack thereof. You don't want to be a girl's choice because she has no other options.

[Boethius]

 so dinosaurs  and dinosaurs at heart are the problem. I guess that's how the world goes,  when doing drugs,  sleeping around,  etc.  is viewed as normal then the guys who want a family and lead an honorable life are problematic.

expecting decency  and respect is then too much to ask nowadays.  yeah I'm the problem...

Most women are not doing drugs or sleeping around.  What are you doing, in your life, to attract other types of women?  Until you stop being defensive and determine why you cannot attract what you want, you are the problem.

[GQBlues]

...It is an exceedingly rare woman who receives a celestial epiphany from the wild blue yonder to go on a jihad of active repulsion.

That's just funny as hell there...

YB, take a chill pill, man. It's good to have ideals in life just don't let it consume you to the point all the ills you suffer in your life appear as though they're induced upon you by others.

At 30, you should be living your life to the fullest as a single male in the best region (NA) that arguably have the greatest number of choiced females.

[Ooooops]

the kind I want (traditional,  educated, ambitious,  etc.)

What do you mean by "traditional"?   To me those three qualities do not combine very well.


Oooops!   I'm too late with my question…   

[jazztropy]

Now men were raised believing that a good job,  nice personality and clean look will get you the girl. 

You swallowed the wrong information.  If you want to learn the truth, there's plenty of info about this subject outside of this forum.

[ML]

Quote from: YoungBuck on Today at 02:12:01 PM

Now men were raised believing that a good job,  nice personality and clean look will get you the girl. 


jazztropy:  You swallowed the wrong information. 


No, I don't think it is the wrong info.  Those characteristics (as a young man) will get you a ton of acceptable gals . . . provided there aren't some very negative offsetting characteristics that come as part of the package.

[jazztropy]

You have to understand what kind of audience these websites attract. I'd say i only liked 1 in 100 profiles. I had looked through dozens of pages to find 10 men profiles i liked on EM.  Out of those 10, zero were interested in me. Besides, i only got like 1 message or wink per week on EM.

I think because you are too young (you are 27 or younger, yes?) for most men exploring that site. 

[Ooooops]

No, I don't think it is the wrong info.  Those characteristics (as a young man) will get you a ton of acceptable gals . . . provided there aren't some very negative offsetting characteristics that come as part of the package.

I'm not sure about the trends in nowadays college graduates ( YB is looking at that age, right?) in US - do they tend to get married right out the graduation party, changing black robes to bride's gowns?   Or do they go into the workforce and start biding their careers after all of that effort (and money) they put into their education?

[ML]

Whether the guy and gal are looking for marriage soon, or marriage later . . . I think the qualities originally posted will give the man good standing with many women.

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Ooooops how did you find a way to cope with the air pollution in China?

[Ooooops]

Whether the guy and gal are looking for marriage soon, or marriage later . . . I think the qualities originally posted will give the man good standing with many women.

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Ooooops how did you find a way to cope with the air pollution in China?

Good job means that they are out of the college for a while, no?  Both of them?


We moved out half a year ago, thanks for asking.      Now couple of months in Singapore and then back to US of A for a life time adventure!   

[ML]

Now couple of months in Singapore and then back to US of A for a life time adventure!

Be careful with your illegal drugs in Singapore; not to mention gum.

[Ooooops]

Be careful with your illegal drugs in Singapore; not to mention gum.

Don't do those, although even the legal once are crazy expensive here!      And you can get gum prescription from your dentist.   

[YoungBuck]

How do you define "traditional"?  Really, think about that.  Traditional can have a variety of meanings depending on individual background and is one of the most ambiguous terms used around these parts.


I don't really see a family as "controlling" as you mentioned, but my first thoughts while reading your descriptions was that you were probably coming across to women as needy/clingy and/or controlling.  No need to respond to that. Just mentioning my first impressions - take that for what it's worth.



Describe your ideal woman in as great of detail as possible.. really.. think about it... when you visualize  this special woman, what do you see? 


Of course, educated, traditional, normal shaped head (jees that was hilarious, man... yeah, there are a variety of "skull types" around the world, but that comment caught me off guard...) etc.. but really get into detail.  You may discover some interesting contradictions, or a new way of looking at this.. no joke, get into it..  it's an extremely useful mini project.

 usually, traditional is what I  would refer to as respectful,  moral,  and feminine.  someone who stands by her husband instead of beating him down.

I don't mean anything about the head shape,  is just an observation that  surprised me too.  similar to my European friends expecting the fiery and buxom Latina yet seeing  all these short and overweight women.

[Ooooops]

usually, traditional is what I  would refer to as respectful,  moral,  and feminine

Moral is good quality.  Feminine is pretty easy to come by.  Respectful?  To whom?  And why?

[Shadow]

It took me about 38 years to find someone. Though for the most part of those I was not actively searching 

[Елена]

Of course, you are wrong, that in these women , there is a downside, and they are bad wives or bad people. Of course, women are different, and men are different, too . I think that if a woman very quickly found out that she had found the love of her husband and was incredibly lucky. But maybe she thought it was her last chance , and it's better to have any husband than anything. So, unfortunately , often the case with Russian women. Do not think that if every day to go for a walk vpark or to the mall and get acquainted with all the women out there, you will quickly find a wife. And sayth dating is also true. A lot of dishonest men and sex tourists on dating sites . After meeting with these people , many women for a long time come to life , something to restore. For me it is very important that my man was a friend of my son. And if the person in the correspondence did not show any interest in my son and did not even ask how my son's name and how old he is , I can not believe that this person will be a good father .