Steveboy's Views of Ukrainians

[steveboy]

As long as Ukraine is run by mafia thugs and Oligarchs, they will never be a part of EU. They have got it so easy now stealing all they want with no consequences.

Its not just the mafia and thugs! Stealing and cheating is a way of life for many, its the mentality of many of the general population, if there is a chance to steal it, then do it. Im not saying ALL in Ukraine BUT a huge majority, in particular women searching for a foreign husband.
I only crossed the Ukrainian border a few days back and the tosser on the border was looking for some way to make a few $ off me.
From the top all the way down to the bottom.

[cc3]

Im not saying ALL in Ukraine BUT a huge majority, in particular women searching for a foreign husband.

"...a huge majority...", of an entire nation??? You are one prejudiced individual.

[steveboy]

"...a huge majority...", of an entire nation??? You are one prejudiced individual.

Unfortunately so ((((( Especially the international daters. Yes there are some nice normal women in Ukraine, but over the last 10/20 years na na na!! its like looking for a needle in a haystack, and whilst search you will have every possible thing thrown at you in your path((( another unfortunate fact.

[calmissile]

Unfortunately so ((((( Especially the international daters. Yes there are some nice normal women in Ukraine, but over the last 10/20 years na na na!! its like looking for a needle in a haystack, and whilst search you will have every possible thing thrown at you in your path((( another unfortunate fact.

Steveboy, you are sooo full of it!  Perhaps your rant against Ukraine women has something to do with the services you are trying to peddle here and elsewhere.

Ukraine is full of wonderful marriage minded women.  I have found many cultural differences and some common characteristics based on age groups, but to lump all or most Ukrainian women into the boxes you want to place them in is ridiculous.

While the dating sites has its share of scammers, it also has a lot of sincere women.  You only have to have enough brains and done enough research to ferret them out.  Certainly not a needle in a haystack to find a good wife.

It's true that the stereotype of picking a woman out of a catalogue and putting a stamp on her forehead to bring her to your/my country is a common belief among the unwashed, anyone that has done any research knows that you have to go through the same courtship and getting to know each other before marriage.  The problem with FSUW is that for most Americans it involves a great deal of free time to spend in country plus a lot of money for the whole process.  In my opinion it is/was worth it.

Any more general bashing of Ukraine women you will find me defending them and probably many engaged and married men as well.   You simply do not know what you are talking about!

[JayH]

Steveboy, you are sooo full of it!

Any more general bashing of Ukraine women you will find me defending them and probably many engaged and married men as well.   You simply do not know what you are talking about!

Maybe it was Ukrainian kid that stole his lunch at school?   Or perhaps like a few other Ukraine bashers on the forums  Ukraine girls rejected him/them  and they are forever intent on denigrating Ukraine and it's people.

[Daveman]

There are a serious number of questionable characters, both male and female, in Ukraine.  To believe otherwise would be naive. 


I would say that while those criminals, shysters, fleecers, and/or other shady characters do exist, I doubt very seriously that the percentage is any where near a majority. 


Are a majority of the women actively seeking foreign husbands of shady character?  I doubt that too, however, I wouldn't be too overly surprised if that were the case within that very select group of people.

[lordtiberius]

Steve,  Do you have anecdotes you would like to share?  I have one but the shyster was not Ukrainian

[Boethius]

anyone that has done any research knows that you have to go through the same courtship and getting to know each other before marriage.

For the most part, the "courtships" are far more compressed than in WM/WW courtships, with the added complexities of lack of a common language, and lack of common cultural references.  That being said, the only confirmed so called "green card girl" marriages disclosed on this forum (3) were all between AM and RW.

[JayH]

Its not just the mafia and thugs! Stealing and cheating is a way of life for many, its the mentality of many of the general population, if there is a chance to steal it, then do it. Im not saying ALL in Ukraine BUT a huge majority, in particular women searching for a foreign husband.
I only crossed the Ukrainian border a few days back and the tosser on the border was looking for some way to make a few $ off me.
From the top all the way down to the bottom.

So Steve-- tell us how much time you have actually spent in Ukraine. When did you first go there-- and why?
I am asking because from previous forum experiences one of  the biggest Ukraine denigrators failed to acknowledge that he had never actually been there !!
Similarly-- some active members here who comment unfavourably quite often--have not been there in many years-- so I question the validity of the currency of their conclusions in areas that needs  recent exposure.
btw-- you can cross the border and leave in 30 minutes  .lol

[steveboy]

I have been to Kiev 6 times, I was in Kiev for the Eurovision, the Orange revolution. Odessa several times, yalta twice for a summer holiday. As well as that I have travelled ALL over Ukraine buy bus and taxi. I have met my fair share of Ukrainians. Next week Im off for a weekend in Odessa, just for a party.
As for being ripped off by any Ukrainian women, that has never happened to me despite meeting more women from Ukraine than Im sure you ever have!! And I have met them from all backgrounds! Hookers, crooks, house wives , strippers and normal women.

One of my good friends is Ukrainian, I came to know him pretty well after ? Hey what he hacked my site and stole the files My other half is from Transnistria 1 hour from the Ukraine border, she has many Ukrainian friends, funny thing is she doesn't trust one of them and when we are ever in Ukraine she takes particular care with the money to avoid being ripped off . Its even funnier non of my Russian friends trust Ukrainian women, and taking any Ukrainian women back to your apartment after a night out keep hold of your valuables. ( Im speaking about younger women here)

Of course there are plenty of marriage minded women in Ukraine and many genuine honest women, especially the older generation who really do want to find a guy for marriage. I never dispute this fact.
But I think you will find the younger generation 25/35 a different category when it comes to International dating, and YES a big majority ARE out to rook you.
And thats from 10 years experience travelling as well as a considerable amount of Russian friends.

You think I haven't been to Ukraine ? Fool!! You can see many of my pics in Facebook . I don't need to waste my time explaining to idiots like you. And let me remind you "freedom of speech"

My point all the time is there are easier ways to meet FSU women than all the trouble of going to Ukraine, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DONT SPEAK ENGLISH.

[Boethius]

So you have been influenced by prejudiced friends.  What is it they say about the company you keep?

[steveboy]

Steve,  Do you have anecdotes you would like to share?  I have one but the shyster was not Ukrainian

Yes I will tell you in Facebook ))

[steveboy]

So you have been influenced by prejudiced friends.  What is it they say about the company you keep?

Dont forget the 750,000 search results on the subject in Google. I havnt included Bing and Yahoo Im never influenced by anyone and never have been and perfectly able to come to my own conclusions

[JayH]

Dont forget the 750,000 search results on the subject in Google. I havnt included Bing and Yahoo Im never influenced by anyone and never have been and perfectly able to come to my own conclusions

So you have been influenced by prejudiced friends.  What is it they say about the company you keep?

Steve a lot of what you say applies everywhere.
 I can personally quote instances of outstanding good morality and honesty .Do I think that is usual? Probably not--but it exceeded my expectations.
I have seen the other side of the coin-- but have not reached your conclusions.

[Boethius]

Dont forget the 750,000 search results on the subject in Google. I havnt included Bing and Yahoo Im never influenced by anyone and never have been and perfectly able to come to my own conclusions

You could get the same search results for Russians.  Plus, as we all know, everything on the internet is absolutely, 100% true and accurate. 

When I lived in Ukraine, I heard that those from Moldova were not too bright, the result of giving wine to children.  Should I assume that applies to a majority of Moldovans?

If you are familiar with my posts, you will note that I have often referred to the corruption in Ukraine.  But I think that has more to do with opportunity and lack of state structures, rather than the populace itself.  It is really not that different in Russia.  Who became wealthy as a result of the real estate boom in Moscow?  Who basically stole state enterprises?  Don't assume Russians are that much more moral than Ukrainians.  By the same token, you will find the same in your homeland, and in mine.  What keeps corruption at bay is not the good hearts and the basic decency of the populace, but rather, the rule of law.

[steveboy]

I forgot to mention I'm also running a Russian and Ukrainian dating site, the amount of fakes and scammers signing up is unreal (Im talking about the under 30 year olds in particular) its a non stop battle hour after hour to keep them off the site, and they keep coming back. Because they know how how easy it is to scam foreigners. I wouldn't say the same for the older women. If your looking for a women over 35/40 your chances increase big time.

And back to my point all along "why make a rod for your back" ? trying to find your other half in Ukraine really is not worth the trouble Especially for younger guys, unless your pretty experienced.
There are so many better options in other FSU countries.

Of course there are always the OAPs with a body odour problem or something like this who only have the "Ukrainian village" option.

[steveboy]

You could get the same search results for Russians.  Plus, as we all know, everything on the internet is absolutely, 100% true and accurate. 

When I lived in Ukraine, I heard that those from Moldova were not too bright, the result of giving wine to children.  Should I assume that applies to a majority of Moldovans?

If you are familiar with my posts, you will note that I have often referred to the corruption in Ukraine.  But I think that has more to do with opportunity and lack of state structures, rather than the populace itself.  It is really not that different in Russia.  Who became wealthy as a result of the real estate boom in Moscow?  Who basically stole state enterprises?  Don't assume Russians are that much more moral than Ukrainians.  By the same token, you will find the same in your homeland, and in mine.  What keeps corruption at bay is not the good hearts and the basic decency of the populace, but rather, the rule of law.

Yes you are 100% correct, Im not defending Russia!!I don't trust many Russians and recently fired my Russian partner, that will be first and last Russian business association.  But it is without a doubt , its a national past time in Ukraine.

[steveboy]

Whats the big deal with Ukraine for the US guys?? Just down the coast you have all those beautiful latinos!!!!! ?????

[Boethius]

More Ukrainian women looking for a foreign relationship come into contact with perverts and creeps than any man is scammed. 

Do you think these men are normal? -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/marriage-ukrainianstyle-hopeful-bachelors-from-all-over-the-world-head-to-odessa-in-search-of-a-wife-8701428.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2309867/Soviet-bride-safaris-Inside-seedy-parties-Western-men-hunt-young-Russian-Ukrainian-wives.html

These are men who are going to an economically disadvantaged region to buy women.  IMHO, most (note, I do not say all) deserve to be scammed.

[steveboy]

I have plenty of weirdos on my web sites, and plenty of the type you mention! They are also deleted, many sending abusive mails.

There are several Russian forums for women on the subject of scammers/perverts/sex tourists.


http://www.inter-svaha.ru/forum1/


Still it doesn't stop the fact that if your going searching for a women to marry in Ukraine its like war. especially for younger guys.
And who needs that shit?

[steveboy]

So whats the big attraction to ukraine from US???? Its thousands of miles away! Expensive to visit especially if it goes "Tits up" and its dam cold in the winter!

Whats wrong with the beautiful suntanned latinos , just down the coast from you. You could be sitting in a bar on Copacabana beach sipping cocktails but instead decide to track half way across the world to sit in a bar in kiev freezing your ass off? I know what i would do if i was from the US and it certainly wouldn't involve travelling thousands of miles to Ukraine:)
They must have villages in Bolivia?

[GQBlues]

So whats the big attraction to ukraine from US???? Its thousands of miles away! Expensive to visit especially if it goes "Tits up" and its dam cold in the winter!...

You need to come out of that silly snow cave you crawled into in the Arctic from time to time. The annual number of K-visa from Ukraine/US is a mere 500 +/-. Same number with Russia and far less than even compared to UK/US K-POE.

Where the heck do you get you information from? Australia?

...Whats wrong with the beautiful suntanned latinos , just down the coast from you. You could be sitting in a bar on Copacabana beach sipping cocktails but instead decide to track half way across the world to sit in a bar in kiev freezing your ass off? I know what i would do if i was from the US and it certainly wouldn't involve travelling thousands of miles to Ukraine:)
They must have villages in Bolivia?

BS! There's thousands of Russian women in the UK yet you hauled your asre to Russia repeatedly.

There's a HUGE Latino population in the US, so the majority of the population stays home if they wanted Latinas

[steveboy]

You need to come out of that silly snow cave you crawled into in the Arctic from time to time. The annual number of K-visa from Ukraine/US is a mere 500 +/-. Same number with Russia and far less than even compared to UK/US K-POE.

Where the heck do you get you information from? Australia?



BS! There's thousands of Russian women in the UK yet you hauled your asre to Russia repeatedly.

There's a HUGE Latino population in the US, so the majority of the population stays home if they wanted Latinas

Thats a surprise to me! so little Visas! Considering thousands of  guys signed up to Russian/Ukrainian sites, which I would guess means most are chicken shit:)

As for me I never came to Russia with the intent of finding a Russian women, Im just tired of the way the UK has been going over the last two decades, along with many thousands of others. However most go to Spain or Australia. I chose Russia:)

[steveboy]

Looks like Ryan Air are moving into Russia, if its anything like their usual ticket prices it will mean you can fly into Moscow/St Petersburg fro $30.00 from the UK Who knows maybe more marriage visas will come along:)



http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ryanair-to-begin-flights-to-russia-in-march-2014/490178.html

[Slumba]

Whats the big deal with Ukraine for the US guys?? Just down the coast you have all those beautiful latinos!!!!! ?????

Latinos in general don't read and act lower-class - the culture is quite different from American white-guy culture .  And I say this as someone who has Latinos who married into my family.  They are happy to have American men as husbands since my nephews don't cheat and aren't stridently macho.