Protesters in Ukraine remind us of the priceless benefits of being EU members

[Faux Pas]

Good man, I couldn't agree more!! keep the f***** out of other peoples business!!

I can agree to that!! BTW, who's going to tell Putin to keep the f*** out of other peoples business?

[justme100]

The answer of Sevastopol to new "goverment"

[The Natural]

Ukrainian Neo-Nazis Declare that Power Comes Out of the Barrels of their Guns
 
 Paul Craig Roberts
 
 Reality on the ground in Ukraine contradicts the incompetent and immoral Obama regime’s portrait of Ukrainian democracy on the march. 
 
 To the extent that government exists in post-coup Ukraine, it is laws dictated by gun and threat wielding thugs of the neo-Nazi, Russophobic, ultra-nationalist, right-wing parties. Watch the video of the armed thug, Aleksandr Muzychko, who boosts of killing Russian soldiers in Chechnya, dictating to the Rovno regional parliament a grant of apartments to families of protesters.
 http://rt.com/news/radical-opposition-intimidating-techniques-882/ 
 
 Read about the neo-nazis intimidating the Central Election Commission in order to secure rule and personnel changes in order to favor the ultra-right in the forthcoming elections.  Thug Aleksandr Shevchenko informed the CEC that armed activists will remain in CEC offices in order to make certain that the election is not rigged against the neo-nazis.  What he means, of course, is the armed thugs will make sure the neo-nazis win.  If the neo-nazis don’t win, the chances are high that they will take power regardless.
 
 Members of President Yanukovich’s ruling party, the Party of Regions, have been shot, had arrest warrants issued for them, have experienced home invasions and physical threats, and are resigning in droves in hopes of saving the lives of themselves and their families. The prosecutor’s office in the Volyn region (western Ukraine) has been ordered by ultra-nationalists to resign en masse .
 
 Jewish synagogs and Eastern Orthodox Christian churches are being attacked.
 
 To toot my own horn, I might have been the first and only to predict that Washington’s organization of pro-EU Ukrainian politicians into a coup against the elected government of Ukraine would destroy democracy and establish the precedent that force prevails over elections, thereby empowering the organized and armed extreme right-wing.
 
 This is precisely what has happened.  Note that there was no one in the Obama regime who had enough sense to see the obvious result of their smug, self-satisfied interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine.
 
 If a democratically elected president and ruling party are so easily driven from power by armed neo-nazis, what chance do Washington’s paid stooges among the so-called “moderates” have of forming a government? These are the corrupt people who wanted President Yanukovich out of office so that they could take the money instead.  The corruption charge against Yanukovich was cover for the disloyal, undemocratic “moderate” schemers to seize power and be paid millions of dollars by Washington for taking Ukraine into the EU and NATO.
 
 The Washington-paid schemers are now reaping their just reward as they sit in craven silence while neo-nazi Muzychko wielding an Ak-47 challenges government officials to their face: “I dare you take my gun!”
 
 Only Obama, Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland, Washington’s European puppets, and the Western prostitute media can describe the brutal reality of post-coup Ukraine as “the forward march of democracy.”
 
 The West now faces a real mess, and so does Russia. The presstitutes will keep the American  public from ever knowing what has happened, and the Obama regime will never admit it.  It is not always clear that even the Russians want to admit it.  The intelligent, reasonable, and humane Russian Foreign Minister, a person 100 cuts above the despicable John Kerry, keeps speaking as if this is all a mistake and appealing to the Western governments to stand behind the agreement that they pressured President Yanukovich to sign. 
 
 Yanukovich is history, as are Washington’s “moderates.”  The moderates are not only corrupt; they are stupid.  The fools even disbanded the Riot Police, leaving themselves at the mercy of the armed right-wing nazi thugs.
 
 Ukraine is out of control. This is what happens when an arrogant, but stupid, Assistant Secretary of State (Victoria Nuland) plots with an equally arrogant and stupid US ambassador (Pyatt) to put their candidates in power once their coup against the elected president succeeds.  The ignorant and deluded who deny any such plotting occurred can listen to the conversation between Nuland and Pyatt here:
 
 
 The situation will almost certainly lead to war.  Only Putin’s diplomatic skills could prevent it. However, Putin has been demonized by Washington and the whores who comprise the US print and TV media. European and British politicians would have their Washington paychecks cut off if they aligned with Putin.
 
 War is unavoidable, because the Western public is out to lunch. The more facts and information I provide, the more emails I receive defending the “sincere [and well paid] protesters’ honest protests against corruption,” as if corruption were the issue.  I hear from Ukrainians and from those of Ukrainian ethnicity in Canada and the US that it is natural for Ukrainians to hate Russians because Ukrainians suffered under communism, as if suffering under communism, which disappeared in 1991, is unique to Ukrainians and  has anything to do with the US coup that has fallen into neo-nazi hands,
 
 No doubt. Many suffered under communism, including Russians.  But was the suffering greater than the suffering of Japanese civilians twice nuked by the “Indispensable people,” or the suffering by German civilians whose cities were firebombed, like Tokyo,  by the “exceptional people”? 
 
 Today Japan and Germany are Washington’s puppet states.  In contrast, Ukraine was an independent country with a working relationship with Russia.  It was this relationship that Washington wished to destroy. 
 
 Now that a reckless and incompetent Washington has opened Pandora’s Box, more evil has been released upon the world. The suffering will not be confined to Ukraine.
 
 There are a number of reasons why the situation is likely to develop in a very bad way. One is that most people are unable to deal with reality even when reality directly confronts them.  When I provide the facts as they are known, here are some of the responses I receive: “You are a Putin agent;” “you hate Ukrainians;”  “you are defending corruption;” “you must not know how Ukrainians suffered at the hands of Stalin.” 
 
 Of course, having done Russian studies in graduate school, having been a member of the US-USSR student exchange program in 1961, having traveled in Russia, Georgia, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan, having published in scholarly journals of Slavic and Russian studies, having twice addressed the Soviet Academy of Sciences, having been invited to explain to the CIA why the Soviet economic collapse occurred despite the CIA’s predictions to the contrary, I wouldn’t know anything about how people suffered under communism. The willingness of readers to display to me their utter ignorance and stupidity is astonishing. There is a large number of people who think reality consists of their delusions.
 
 Reality is simply too much for mentally and emotionally weak people who are capable of holding on to their delusions in the face of all evidence to the contrary. The masses of deluded people and the total inability of Washington, wallowing it its hubris, to admit a mistake, mean that Washington’s destabilization of Ukraine is a problem for us all.
 
 RT reports that “Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered an urgent military drill to test combat readiness of the armed forces across western and central Russia.”  According to Russia’s Defense Minister, the surprise drill tested ground troops, Air Force, airborne troops and aerospace defense. http://rt.com/news/putin-drill-combat-army-864/ 
 
 The Defense Minister said: “The drills are not connected with events in Ukraine at all.”
 
 Yes, of course.  The Defense Minister says this, because Putin still hopes that the EU will come to its senses.  In my opinion, and I hope I am wrong, the European “leaders” are too corrupted by Washington’s money to have any sense.  They are bought-and-paid-for. Nothing is important to them but money.
 
 Ask yourself, why does Russia need at this time an urgent readiness test unrelated to Ukraine? Anyone familiar with geography knows that western and central Russia sit atop Ukraine. 
 
 Let us all cross our fingers that another war is not the consequence of the insouciant American public, the craven cowardice of the presstitute media, Washington’s corrupt European puppets, and the utter mendacity of the criminals who rule in Washington.
 
 

[JayH]

Russia 'grants Ukraine's Viktor Yanukovych protection'

Russia has agreed to provide Viktor Yanukovych with protection following his ousting as president of Ukraine, report Russian news agencies.

"I still see myself as the legitimate head of the Ukrainian state," he was quoted as saying, but needed protection "from the actions of extremists".

Russian TV said he was in Russian territory but his precise whereabouts are unconfirmed.

Mr Yanukovych fled Kiev amid deadly clashes in the capital last week.

He said his overthrow was illegal as he had been "elected by Ukrainian citizens in a free vote".

On Saturday, Ukrainian MPs voted to oust Mr Yanukovych and hold early presidential elections in May.

But Mr Yanukovych said he believed the sessions currently taking place in the Ukrainian parliament were illegitimate.

He claimed the Ukrainian parliament was taking decisions while many MPs from his Party of Regions, and lawmakers from other factions, were absent because of threats to their safety.

Continue reading the main story
Analysis


Bridget Kendall
Diplomatic correspondent, BBC News, Moscow
Will the Kremlin now align itself with or distance itself from Mr Yanukovych's statement?

The Kremlin too has been critical of Kiev's new government, questioning its legitimacy and warning of threats to Russia's interests in Ukraine. Just this morning the Russian foreign ministry issued a new warning that it would "strongly and uncompromisingly" defend the rights of its compatriots when they were violated by foreign governments.

It could be this is just another example - alongside the fighter jets now on combat alert, patrolling Russia's borders with Ukraine - of sabre-rattling, another way to increase pressure on the new Kiev authorities to register Russia's concerns and ambivalence.

What would be more worrying is if this is part of a carefully co-ordinated campaign which is also somehow linked to the move by pro-Russian armed groups who took over the Crimean parliament and government buildings in Simferopol overnight. There is no evidence that Moscow knew about or sanctioned that action. But the fact it has happened just as Mr Yanukovych has resurfaced and been allowed to challenge Kiev from Moscow is unsettling.

"I think that the agreement on the settlement of the crisis in Ukraine, signed by me and leaders of the Ukrainian opposition in the presence of respected Western partners on 21 February 2014, has not been implemented," Mr Yanukovych was quoted as saying - referring to a deal to install a national unity government and call early polls agreed between Mr Yanukovych and opposition leaders after mediation by EU foreign ministers.

He said he would "fight to the end for the implementation of important compromise agreements to take Ukraine out of deep political crisis".

Mr Yanukovych warned that people in southern and eastern Ukraine would not accept a lawless situation where government ministers were approved by crowds in a city square, and he warned of possible armed conflict ahead.

He said he had asked Russia for protection following "threats of reprisals against me and my fellows" - and Russian media quoted official sources as saying Moscow had granted the request.

Ukraine has issued an international arrest warrant for Mr Yanukovych, the interim interior minister announced on Monday.

Tensions
The BBC's diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall, in Moscow, says it should be noted that Mr Yanukovych's statement denouncing the legitimacy of the current interim leadership in Ukraine was not only relayed on Russian news agencies but broadcast over the airwaves on official Russian television.

She says Mr Yanukovych has been widely criticised by senior figures in the Russian political establishment, and the assumption had been that President Vladimir Putin would want to keep his distance from him - in contrast to this very public platform given to his cause.

His words come against a backdrop of growing tension over Ukraine's fate.

Russian fighter jets and troops are participating in exercises close to the Ukrainian border which Russia claims are routine.

Armed men, believed to be pro-Russian, have seized Crimea's regional parliament and the government headquarters of the Russian-majority region.

The US and Nato have warned Russia not to escalate tensions.

[JayH]

Ukraine's new leaders begin search for missing billions
Leading protesters join interim government as fugitive president surfaces in Russia and Switzerland agrees to freeze accounts

Shaun Walker and Oksana Grytsenko Kiev
The Guardian, Friday 28 February 2014 07.28 AEST


As President Viktor Yanukovych apparently surfaced in Russia, claiming to still be the president and promising a press conference on Friday, Ukraine's parliament set about taking measures to recover some of the billions of dollars they say went missing under his kleptocratic regime.

The new government features some old faces but also has places for a number of people instrumental in the protest movement over the past three months. The new youth minister is Dmytro Bulatov, who was kidnapped and tortured last month by thugs apparently linked to the regime, while the anti-corruption committee will be headed by Tetiana Chornovol, an investigative journalist who was also beaten to within an inch of her life on the outskirts of Kiev in December.

The parliament approved Arseniy Yatsenyuk, a key member of former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko's party, as prime minister. Yatsenyuk, who was previously foreign minister, was one of the three main protest leaders of the past three months. He began his first speech in office by calling for a minute's silence for those who died in last week's violence.

Yatsenyuk stressed the enormity of the task facing the new government and said joining it could be akin to political suicide, given the tough economic times that are likely to be ahead."I told everyone who is coming into this new government that they are effectively ending their political career by doing so. But we need to think about how we can save the country," Yatsenyuk said.

Oleksandr Shlapak, the new finance minister, said he hoped an International Monetary Fund mission would visit Ukraine next week to hammer out the details of a $15bn package for the struggling economy. The hryvnia, Ukraine's currency, hit a new low on Thursday . It has now lost more than 20% of its value this year.

Speaking in parliament, Yatsenyuk said that the former government had left the country with $75bn of debts. "Over $20bn of gold reserve were embezzled. They took $37bn of loans that disappeared," Yatsenyuk said. "Around $70bn was moved to offshore accounts from Ukraine's financial system in the last three years," he claimed.

Rostyslav Pavlenko, an MP from the UDAR party of former boxer Vitali Klitschko, said that all cases of suspected money laundering and all offshore accounts of former government officials should be investigated, with the aim of repatriating the funds to Ukraine.

"The money in Yanukovych's personal accounts and in the accounts of his family would be enough to cover many current needs of Ukraine," he said. He added that, if the new government did sign the EU association agreement that Yanukovych faltered over, it would be easier to investigate offshore havens and return the stolen money.

Klitschko, who plans to stand in presidential elections on 25 May, called on US and European officials to freeze any accounts suspected of belonging to Yanukovych and his inner circle and return the money to Ukraine.

Switzerland said it was ready to freeze any funds that Yanukovych might be keeping in its banks. The Swiss foreign minister said financial institutions had been ordered to show increased vigilance when dealing with Ukrainian funds. Yanukovych's son Oleksandr, who has amassed a fortune measured in the hundreds of millions of dollars in the past three years, opened a branch of his company, MAKO, in Geneva in 2011.

Meanwhile, investigative journalists are sifting through a haul of documents retrieved by divers from the river near Yanukovych's lavish residential compound outside Kiev. The documents, which are being restored by specialists after being dried in one of Yanukovych's personal saunas, are gradually being posted online, and purport to show multimillion dollar corruption and financial mismanagement.

Yanukovych himself, who has been the invisible man since he fled the capital last Friday night, surfaced on Thursday yesterday with a statement claiming he was still president, and is apparently due to give a press conference in the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don on Friday afternoon, Russian media reported.

"On the streets of many cities, there is an orgy of extremism," wrote the president in a statement addressed to the Ukrainian people. "I am certain that in these conditions all the decisions taken [by the parliament] will be ineffective and not carried out. In this situation, I officially declare that I am determined to fight to the end for the implementation of important compromise agreements that will bring Ukraine out of the deep political crisis."

However, even among the president's close allies, he has lost authority after his flight, with the mayors of towns in his eastern heartland describing him as "history", his closest aides fleeing or resigning and Rinat Akhmetov, the oligarch closest to him, saying he is ready to work with the new authorities. Even in Crimea, where the pro-Russian populace has shown little appetite for accepting the regime change in Kiev, there is little sympathy for Yanukovych personally.

There were rumours yesterday that Yanukovych was at a government-run sanatorium outside Moscow, however the location of his press conference, in Rostov, not far from the Ukrainian border, suggests he might have arrived there directly from Ukraine.

"Given that President Yanukovych appealed to Russian authorities with a request to guarantee his personal safety, that request has been granted on Russian territory," a government source told Interfax earlier on Thursday yesterday without specifying the ousted president's location.

The Ukrainian parliament has voted that Yanukovych should be sent to the international criminal court in The Hague, though legal experts have said the court would be unlikely to take on such a case.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/ukraine-search-missing-billions-yanukovych-russia

[justme100]

Oh, yes, they've already began searching. Time is limited, so they have to hurry up

[The Natural]

Oh, yes, they've already began searching. Time is limited, so they have to hurry up

LOL. That's priceless  Funny and sad at the same time.

[Slumba]

People are not seeing the wider view, however ... Syria - home of Russian base - destabilized ; Ukraine - home of Russian base - destabilized ; Turkey, somewhat friendly to Russia - about to be destabilized.  What is happening "over there" is much bigger than just what is going on in Ukraine.

[JayH]

Wanted For Mass Murder: Viktor Yanukovych

Feb. 28, 2014, 12:58 a.m. | Ukraine — by Christopher J. Miller, Olga Rudenko

Overthrown Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, wanted for mass murder and stealing as much as $70 billion from Ukraine in the last three years, remains defiant as a fugitive from justice.
© Kyiv Post



Christopher J. Miller

Olga Rudenko



Yanukovych’s documents reveal many dark secrets


Overthrown Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, wanted for mass murder and stealing as much as $70 billion from Ukraine in the last three years, remains defiant as a fugitive from justice.

According to RIA Novosti and other Russian news agencies, Yanukovych is planning to hold a 5 p.m. Feb. 28 press conference in Rostov-on-Don, a southern Russian city near the Azov Sea.

However, Ukrainian authorities showed their own determination, promising to catch Yanukovych and put him on trial for his alleged crimes.

First Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Vitaliy Yarema said “we’ll do everything possible to submit all the documents necessary to ensure Yanukovych, (ex-Interior Minister Vitaliy) Zakharchenko and (ex-Prosecutor General Viktor) Pshonka are searched for by Interpol. We’ll ensure that Yanukovych is returned to Ukraine as soon as possible and is brought to criminal account.”

Yarema, when asked about reports that Yanukovych is still issuing presidential decrees, said: “These are just convulsions. Yanukovych is politically dead, and all these decisions have no judicial power.”

According to a written statement to the Ukrainian people, obtained and published by several news agencies in Russia, Yanukovych claims to be the legitimate president of Ukraine – despite being removed from office by parliament on Feb. 22 after he fled his palatial estate 20 kilometers north of Kyiv as well as his presidential duties.

At the same time, Russian news agencies reported he was in Moscow, where the government was providing him safe haven.

Meanwhile, in what is widely seen as a related issue, tensions have escalated in the Crimean capital of Simferopol as armed separatists stormed the autonomous republic’s government buildings – including its parliament and administration buildings. Two people were killed and up to 30 injured in clashes on Feb. 26, officials reported.

“I, Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych, am addressing the people of Ukraine. I still believe myself to be the legitimate head of the Ukrainian state elected in a free vote by Ukrainian citizens,” said Yanukovych’s address, according to Interfax news service on Feb. 27.

The Kyiv Post could not independently confirm the authenticity of the statement.

Yanukovych, impeached for dereliction of duty and gross human rights violations, said he has asked the Russian authorities to ensure his personal security. He is wanted on an arrest warrant charging him with mass murder in the slayings of more than 90 EuroMaidan demonstrators since Nov. 21, with most of the deaths taking place on Feb. 20.

Newly confirmed Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk also alleged that Yanukovych committed massive financial crimes. Yatseniuk estimated the former president siphoned as much as $70 billion out of Ukraine in the last three years.

Yanukovych’s statement, far from acknowledging any wrongdoing, complained of threats against him and allies.

“Threats of reprisals are coming to me and my associates. I have to ask the authorities of the Russian Federation to ensure my personal security from extremists’ actions,” his statement said.

Yanukovych described the latest decisions adopted by the country’s parliament as illegitimate.

“I officially declare my determination to fight until the end for the implementation of the important compromise agreements concerning the Ukrainian recovery from the profound political crisis,” he wrote.

Yatseniuk reacted to the former president’s statement on Feb. 27 by reaffirming that Yanukovych “is no longer the president. He is a wanted person who is suspected of mass murder, committing a crime against humanity.”

Interim Prosecutor General Oleh Makhnitsky said at a briefing in Kyiv on Feb. 26 that the ex-president and ex-Interior Minister Vitaliy Zakharchenko had been put on the international wanted list, among other former officials.

The manhunt for them, however, got off to a slow start. “The general prosecutor’s office ordered police to find Yanukovych on Sunday (Feb. 23),” First Deputy Prosecutor General Mykola Holomsha said on Feb. 26.

But as of nightfall on Feb. 27, the ex-president had not been posted to the Interior Ministry’s online fugitive database or on Interpol’s international wanted list. At a Feb. 26 press conference, Avakov said the police “didn’t have time to put the names on the database yet.”

Oleh Tiahnybok, leader of the Svoboda Party, said that Yanukovych “should have been” on all international and national wanted lists.

Asked by the Kyiv Post about progress made in the search, Holomsha said that “enough people” have been interrogated, including some of his former Party of Regions allies. However, Yanukovych’s wife Liudmyla Yanukovych had not yet been questioned as of Feb. 27.

The manhunt involves an investigative group of about 100 people that includes some 40 police officers, according to Avakov. But he was short on details when pressed about what specifically the group was doing to track down the toppled leader.

In his Feb. 24 statement, Avakov said Yanukovych had flown a helicopter to Kharkiv on Feb. 21, and then made his way to Donetsk the next day. There he attempted to flee Ukraine by plane, but was stopped by border service guards for not having proper documentation. He later went by car to the coastal Crimean city of Balaclava, near Russia’s naval base in Sevastopol, before cutting communication and disappearing.

Crimea is where Avakov went looking for him on Feb. 23-24, along with Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, the newly appointed head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU). But the two called off their search in a bid to reduce regional tensions, Avakov told journalists on Feb. 26.

“I believe that we should not allow any military confrontation or conflict there (in Crimea),” he said.

Pro- and anti-Russian protesters faced off in the autonomous republic’s capital of Simferopol on Feb. 25-27, over the newly appointed government in Kyiv. At about 4 a.m. on Feb. 27, armed pro-Russian gunmen stormed and took control of the regional government headquarters and parliament and raised the Russian flag atop the building.

Rumors as to Yanukovych’s whereabouts ran the gamut.

As of the Kyiv Post’s deadline late on Feb. 27, Yanukovych’s exact location remained a mystery, but his statement, along with unconfirmed Russian news reports that he had already purchased a home in Moscow for $52 million, led many to believe that he plans to live in Russia.

Meanwhile, as tempers flared in Crimea, where supporters of Ukraine’s new government clashed with pro-Russia demonstrators. Two died and more than 30 were injured during confrontations there, officials said.

Zair Akadyrov, an editor for Crimean newspaper Argumenty Nedeli in Simferopol, said journalists were not allowed inside the Crimean Parliament for a closed emergency session during which a referendum on greater autonomy will be held on May 25, the same day the country’s early presidential elections will take place.

Akadyrov said hundreds of Berkut riot police patrolled the building during the session, despite the group having been disbanded by Avakov, the nation’s top cop, on Feb. 24.

A high-ranking Ukrainian Foreign Ministry source believes that the gunmen who took over the Crimean government buildings are Russians.

“They (the Russians) are going to legitimize Yanukovych, and the situation in the country is going to sharpen in the next days because of the standoff in Crimea and the unclear situation in Crimean parliament,” Akadyrov said.

In his statement, Yanukovych called for all lawmakers who still support him to gather in Sevastopol on March 3.

A Ukrainian government source said on Feb. 27 that Russia has been warned against interfering in Crimea.

The source said that the Foreign Ministry warned the Russian Federation against unauthorized movement of military vehicles on the peninsula. The note said that these moves would violate the bilateral agreement allowing the Russian military base in Crimea.

Earlier in the day, there were reports of Russian armored personnel vehicles moving on the southern coast and jets scrambling to the Ukrainian border.

Ukraine is hoping to solve the problem internally, but is prepared to engage third parties to find a diplomatic solution to the conflict.

“If we don’t solve it ourselves, we will try to use the Budapest Memorandum (on Security Assurances),” the Foreign Ministry source said. Under the 1994 accord agreed to when Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nuclear arsenal, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States serve as guarantors of Ukraine’s borders.

Ukraine might also address the United Nation’s Security Council and invite the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe to intervene.

Besides arrest warrants against Yanukovych, other former top officials remain under investigation in his administration. Those include ex-Prime Minister Mykola Azarov, who is suspected of financial crimes.

 Others charged with complicity in the mass murders of demonstrators include: former presidential chief of staff Andriy Klyuyev; ex-Prosecutor General Viktor Pshonka; ex-head of the Security Services of Ukraine (SBU) Oleksandr Yakymenko; and ex-Interior Ministry troops commander Stanislav Shuliak.

Makhnitsky, Ukraine’s new top prosecutor, said “this is not the final list. The investigations go on and new names are going to be added soon.”

If Yanukovych is convicted of murder and financial times, he faces the third prison sentence of his life. He served two prison terms in his youth, in 1967 and 1970, for assault and theft.

[Chelseaboy]

Personally,i feel all those people living in Ukraine,waving Russian flags,armed terrorists taking over government buildings in Ukraine and hoisting Russian flags on them and any others who love Russia so much should move themselves to Russia..leaving Ukraine to the true Ukrainians who love Ukraine.

There..problem solved.

[GQBlues]

Imagine President Nieto amassing his military along the Mexico/US border in case Obama's Immigration Reform law proved to be unfavorable to those millions of *law-abiding aliens* of Mexican nationals living in the US.

Imagine for a moment the Hungarian government amassing it's army along the southern border of Slovakia unless the Slovakia's Magyar population received their autonomy despite the accord to the pre-WW treay of Trianon.

Ukrainian are the acting charges by EU/Russia's driving poli-charges in the west-east influential tug-of-war. This is just a second-act of the Balkanization of Ukraine. I would easily believe the US's hands are clean of deliberately aiding this revolt but unfortunately the Kosovan/Bosnia/Albania shindig was only and merely two decades ago.

Like Milosevic before him, Pres. Yanu is now nothing more than a Geo-Sphere political dead man walking. Unless of course he finds a cozy bunk next to Ed Snowden. Putin had learned the hard way during the siege of the Balkans. He will pull the trigger like he did in Georgia. No doubt about that. All for the sake of those poor Russian nationals inside the border of Ukraine.

Does it not make anyone wonder the youtube video of "I AM Ukrainian" was so well done? Heck, Yulia Marushevska was classy enough to wear Kre eyelashes and Guerlein cosmetics/lipstick in making that teary-eye video, folks. This revolution is sparing no expense regardless where your political POV resides.

Sad as it may be, it isn't Ukraine, the Ukrainians or Russians living within it. No one gave a hoot about any of them before nor will these puppeteers do now. This is simply for the control of the Black Sea.

This site have 10 +/- threads dealing with the same topic mostly by regurgitating Googled sanitized media feeds? I thought this was a 'dating' advice experience shared site? Sad.

LOL

[justme100]

who love Russia so much should move themselves to Russia..leaving Ukraine to the true Ukrainians who love Ukraine.

they don't need to move, they are already in Russia! Check how many true Ukrainians who love Ukraine live in Sevastopol:)

[Chelseaboy]

So what ?

           There are plenty of Indians that could wave their flags in England..doesn't make England become India 

Sevastopol belongs to Ukraine,and if you pro-Russians don't like it you can pack your bags and move to Russia,waving your Russian flags as you go.

The true Ukrainians who you pro-Russians have been attacking in Crimea will be glad to wave you off I'm sure.

[justme100]

So what ?

           There are plenty of Indians that could wave their flags in England..doesn't make England become India 

Sevastopol belongs to Ukraine,and if you pro-Russians don't like it you can pack your bags and move to Russia,waving your Russian flags as you go.

You really believe it's only about waving flags? Do you chance to know the date 1783 in Russian history?

[Chelseaboy]

We don't live in the past,we live in the present. 

[jone]

AAAAACTUALLLY,

Krim is an autonomous region, affiliated with Ukraine.  Should this region decide to break away, it has both an infrastructure and a localized governing body that would make it happen. 

Think of the great names they could come up with:

Krimson Tide!

Land of the Kriminals!

They could be ruled by the Scarlet Krimpernel!

All kidding aside, the region is so poor it is a millstone around the neck of whatever country it happens to associate with.  Right now, Ukraine, proper, pays over 28% of the money to keep it from bankruptcy.  Not exactly a flag to be waving.  Frankly,  Russia can have it.

[justme100]

We don't live in the past,we live in the present. 

Yeah, exactly. We too by the way.And you saw the present on the video. Russian fleet was here, is here and will always be here.

[justme100]

.  Right now, Ukraine, proper, pays over 28% of the money to keep it from bankruptcy. 

Lol Where from you get this info?Chance to know how much Kiev gets from Russia for Russian fleet being here in Crimea?It's we who feed them, not they)

[jone]

Ultimately, the Russian fleet is moving.  But it will keep portions of the fleet in place with the deal signed in Kharkov until 2042.   (I even spelled it Kharkov - instead of Kharkiv, just for you, justme!)

My assessment of Krim remains the same. 

I do mark this moment in time, though, to say what folly the current Russian stance is.  The cities of Donetsk, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, have not made any moves to secede.  There is a standing Ukrainian army of 182,000. 

To come out in support of Yanukovych when the whole remaining country seems to be against him is not a smooth move.  I think Russia should take a little Ex Lax and not be so quick to give a platform for Yanukonvict to speak.  I dislike Tymoshenko and Yanukovyct equally.  But I also believe that the entire country is up in arms against the latter and Russia would score hugely by not supporting him. 

If there is one thing that can polarize Ukraine, it is support of a man who repeatedly has raped the country of its resources.

[Anotherkiwi]

Chance to know how much Kiev gets from Russia for Russian fleet being here in Crimea?It's we who feed them, not they)

Out of interest, justme100, and if it's not too personal a question, where were you born?  You've always used the Ukrainian flag in your profile, so do you consider yourself totally Ukrainian, totally Russian, an ethnic Russian who happens to live in Ukraine, or what? 

[lonedrake]

Members of President Yanukovich’s ruling party, the Party of Regions, have been shot, had arrest warrants issued for them, have experienced home invasions and physical threats, and are resigning in droves in hopes of saving the lives of themselves and their families.

 Good! Except for the physical threats.....they should have been shot instead.

[justme100]

Out of interest, justme100, and if it's not too personal a question, where were you born?  You've always used the Ukrainian flag in your profile, so do you consider yourself totally Ukrainian, totally Russian, an ethnic Russian who happens to live in Ukraine, or what?

not too personal at all, as the overwhelming majority here in Sevastopol, I'm ethnic Russian who happens to live in Ukraine.

[justme100]

(I even spelled it Kharkov - instead of Kharkiv, just for you, justme!)

Thank you so much)What makes you think I wouldn't like Kharkiv? [size=78%]I do like Ukrainian language, it's so beautiful and melodic.[/size]

[jone]

I often read dated articles for background.  Take a look at this particular article.

It speaks a little to what JustMe was talking about - the agreement for leasing through 2042, the prevention of Ukraine joining NATO by virtue of same.  The secret collusion between Yanukovych and Medvedev.  The intentions for shared nuclear development. 

While I dislike Russia's penchant for secrecy, I can appreciate that these are the types of deals you make with your neighbor who shares your heritage.

http://www.diploweb.com/Russia-s-Black-Sea-fleet-in.html

Obviously, now, many of the argued points are OBE (Overtaken by events).

[justme100]

Both airgates to Crimea, Simferopol international airport and Sevastopol military airport Belbec were blocked by RF several hours ago.Moscow never sleeps:)