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Author Topic: Protesters in Ukraine remind us of the priceless benefits of being EU members  (Read 270464 times)

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Oh, what a gentleman you are.

My dear friend:  I am no gentleman.  I am a realist.  If anything I say or do can prevent bloodshed on either side, I will say and do it.  I said the same thing to the people who were clamoring for Tymoshenko's release.

I do not fathom war.  I cannot stand by when people decide to start shooting at each other.  And those egging them on should be brought out for who they are.

These are life and death decisions.   This lady has not shown an ounce of intelligence in how she presents herself.  So, yes.  Go ahead.  Castigate me for not being polite.  She can fall on the sword.  What she says offends me because I stand for innocent lives.  I have many friends that live in areas that could be front lines of combat in the near future.   They mean much more to me than this unfortunate drivel spewed by a lady who will be safe in a bastion of Russian support where other cities that are not so fortunate will take the brunt of her opinions.

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It is one thing to take control of a country - another thing to keep control of it.  Yanuk couldn't control the population, why would the Russians be any better at it?

Me gusta ir de compras con mi tarjeta verde...

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Yes, there are a lot of us here. And we will never let fascists come to our land again.

No, the great majority of people I met do not want war of any type.

Fascism is dead on the European continent.  The closest anyone comes to Fascism is Lukashenko.  Fascism is outlawing other political parties and throwing their leaders in jail.

From your side or from the other side.  You are as guilty as the worst pro EuroMaidan activist.  Think about that when you go to sleep tonight and in the coming weeks when you see people dying in the streets.
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It is one thing to take control of a country - another thing to keep control of it.  Yanuk couldn't control the population, why would the Russians be any better at it?

This is Afghanistan approach to occupation and a good military strategy.

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Fascism is dead on the European continent. 
check the biographies of the new minister cabinet before saying stupidities ;)
As to war, not we started it. By the way, upgrade.

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These are life and death decisions.

I understand that these are life and death decisions and I can't imagine anyone on this forum wanting war or people get hurt. But as an American I reckon you do have and understanding of and symphaty for the need for self defence or better yet, protection, so that it doens't have to come to that. As I view it, that's what is of utmost importance to the Russians in Krim. The criminals in Kiev have already started preparations to outlaw the Russian language! That's like trying to destroy a people's identity and the Russians surely feel that will not be the end of the oppressions should they get their way.
 
This lady has not shown an ounce of intelligence in how she presents herself.

I disagree. On the contrary, I find her very intelligent and knowledgeable and impressive.

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Obama skips national security meeting on Russia, Ukraine

Must be golfing

Don't worry. I'm sure he will be back in time to read the conclusions of the meeting on national TV  ;)

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There was no impeachement!



What do you think the Ukrainian parliament did when they voted him out?
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Russia is just protecting their ethnic people, and what is the problem with that?? If they don't the Neo nazis that are in the Ukrainian government will soon start a kind of ethnic cleansing, murders are already taking place.
But anyway what has it got to do with the US?? Nothing, they have murdered enough people over the last decade poking their noses in to other countries business. They just cannot keep their big beaks out!! All in the name of freedom, lol. Tell them that in the off shore concentration camps the US operates.

Ukraine and for that matter Europe has jack s****  to do with the US.

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What do you think the Ukrainian parliament did when they voted him out?
How do you think voting with the gun next to your forhead is called?:) ;)


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To each their own.  I find no one who advocates war in any form to be demonstrating intelligence.

In my area of the United States, we are constantly subjugated by the different ethnic populations who live here.  If the use of language is your singular call to war, then it is on you, too.

Everything I have heard coming from the extremists on either side show that there is no coming together.  "Oh, did you hear!!!!  They are OUTLAWING THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE!!!!"  Give me a break.  You better have something better than that before the bombs fall.

Now, I will happily take on any criticism you want to make of my country.  It is, after all, simply a country.   I have stated this before, and I will state this again.  The Russians can control the situation without the confrontation.  They have it within themselves to do so.  But to do so would take wisdom.  Which is something that no one seems to be able to produce lately.

If you really love Ukraine, Natural (and I have a tremendous love for this currently misguided people) then you will stand with me against war - against confrontation - and call out those standing for it.
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, murders are already taking place.
tsssss, US media doesn't let them know about the murders, robberies and rapes by former Maydan members that are taking place now in Ukraine and Kiev.

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Why couldn't they wait until the election and vote in the candidates who got a majority of the votes?


 It is laughable to believe that a corrupt bastard like Yanuconvict would not rig the election.

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tsssss, US media doesn't let them know about the murders, robberies and rapes by former Maydan members that are taking place now in Ukraine and Kiev.

I know that! They just hear all the usual Bull**** they pump out over there. I hear every day of murders or the likes and many Russian friends in Crimea seriously are worried for their lives.
They need to be protected while the situation is sorted out.

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How do you think voting with the gun next to your forhead is called?:) ;)


You have a valid point there but as you mentioned earlier, Ukrainians, including those in his party, think Yanukovych is politically dead. Not many people want to associate with him or even vote in his favor. Putin only accepts Yanukovych out of Russia's interest. Putin also wants a return on the billions he gave Yanukovych.


They need to be protected while the situation is sorted out.



Have no fear! Large armies are coming to protect people. I don't think things will be sorted out as well as you like though.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Not many people want to associate with him or even vote in his favor.

I would even dare to say none.
All he is needed for now is to help remove fascists, that;s all.

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Russia is just protecting their ethnic people, and what is the problem with that?? If they don't the Neo nazis that are in the Ukrainian government will soon start a kind of ethnic cleansing, murders are already taking place.
But anyway what has it got to do with the US?? Nothing, they have murdered enough people over the last decade poking their noses in to other countries business. They just cannot keep their big beaks out!! All in the name of freedom, lol. Tell them that in the off shore concentration camps the US operates.

Ukraine and for that matter Europe has jack s****  to do with the US.

Protecting their ethnic people from what, exactly?

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If you really love Ukraine, Natural (and I have a tremendous love for this currently misguided people) then you will stand with me against war - against confrontation - and call out those standing for it.

A little melodramatic but..... I stand against war. This wouldn't have happened in the first place if THE EMPIRE didn't start poking in Russia's backyard. Well, they've done it and continue to stir up things. European lackeys join in and everything builds. The Russians in Krim have asked Russia for protection. Let's hope that will keep the maniacs from ever attempting to do anything foolish.

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Protecting their ethnic people from what, exactly?

You are so out of touch !! Being murdered, it is already happening! just you don't see it, are you in Ukraine now seeing what is going on?

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Your English and grammar is very good in many of your posts. Are you sure you are Ukrainian?

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A little melodramatic but..... I stand against war. This wouldn't have happened in the first place if THE EMPIRE didn't start poking in Russia's backyard. Well, they've done it and continue to stir up things. European lackeys join in and everything builds. The Russians in Krim have asked Russia for protection. Let's hope that will keep the maniacs from ever attempting to do anything foolish.

The "Empire" love it 8)

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You are so out of touch !! Being murdered, it is already happening! just you don't see it, are you in Ukraine now seeing what is going on?

Please show me from St Pete

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Please show me from St Pete

????? Im in Ukraine at present 8) well actually just come back 2 hours ago  :deadhorse:

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tsssss, US media doesn't let them know about the murders, robberies and rapes by former Maydan members that are taking place now in Ukraine and Kiev.

So, ethic Russians in Ukraine need protection from fascist, rapists, murderers and robbers? They didn't need this protection before Maidan? Only after Yankuovich ran to Russia they needed this protection?

 

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