Playing the percentages

[Joe Kerr]

I've been wondering what percentage of Russian women give a positive response to e-mails.  For example, if I write 10 women, how many might invite me over for a visit in their home town? 

The reason I ask this is because if you write too few, you may not any around by the time the trip becomes imminent.  Write too many and you may be unable to sort your Elenas from your Olgas. 

I've read on a couple of occasions to can expect to lose about 66% of your initial correspondents.  The man or the woman realizes they aren't right for one another or there's somebody more promising in the wings. 

Timing seems to play a big part in this pursuit.  I'm actually surprised to see how many women have been on some websites for years.  What keeps them going?  If I were a Russian woman, I'd hang it up after a year if clearly nothing is going to happen.  That raises a another question.  How many foreign guys does the average Russian woman date before getting married or giving up?  One could say the same for the men.  When do you give it up and go for the domestic brand of women however unpalatable?

I'll probably only write to about 10 women expecting to see 3 or 4 when I get there in about 2 or 3 months.   

[ronin308]

Joe, that's kind of a loaded question.  The percentage is really going to vary with your expectations.  For example if you're a 50 y/o guy with a beer gut and very little money I expect you won't get a high percentage of responses if you're target group is 19 year olds.

If you have a realistic goal and aren't shooting too high then expect greater than 66% positive responses.  In my case I wrote to women no more 10 years younger than me with common goals and ambitions.  I got 100% responses (verified) and 30% were interested and able to meet me. 

Many women hang on simply because once they're posted on the site it's purely a no cost gamble for them, after all it doesn't cost the agencies either and you never know.  After all you never know where it might lead.  You will find the serious ones will have recent pictures and possibly keep their profiles updated.

Define average russian woman.  An attractive RW might correspond and meet with many guys before settling down if she ever does.  It will also depend on where she lives, those in the big cities and cities popular in with the marriage agencies will also have more "experience" than those from smaller, less popular towns.

As to giving up, I'm not sure what you mean, I didn't really ever give up the possibility of meeting someone here.  You have the possibilities of ending up with a "bad seed" as you do here.  While you can see a difference from a RW/UW and an AW, in many ways women are women.  The agency hype isn't completely true.

[PeeWee]

I've been wondering what percentage of Russian women give a positive response to e-mails.  For example, if I write 10 women, how many might invite me over for a visit in their home town? 

The reason I ask this is because if you write too few, you may not any around by the time the trip becomes imminent.  Write too many and you may be unable to sort your Elenas from your Olgas. 

I've read on a couple of occasions to can expect to lose about 66% of your initial correspondents.  The man or the woman realizes they aren't right for one another or there's somebody more promising in the wings. 

Timing seems to play a big part in this pursuit.  I'm actually surprised to see how many women have been on some websites for years.  What keeps them going?  If I were a Russian woman, I'd hang it up after a year if clearly nothing is going to happen.  That raises a another question.  How many foreign guys does the average Russian woman date before getting married or giving up?  One could say the same for the men.  When do you give it up and go for the domestic brand of women however unpalatable?

I'll probably only write to about 10 women expecting to see 3 or 4 when I get there in about 2 or 3 months.   

What I did was reverse the playing field. I posted my profile on Elena's Models and then waited to see who contacted me. You might be surprised how many emails you get that way. You can choose who you want to reply to and who not. In doing it this way your chances go to 100%.

My experience has been different. I chose one, wrote to her, and after a few emails if we seemed to not click I wrote to the next one that looked interesting to me of the ones that I had stored in my favorites file.

I learned something today. I have been communicating with a sweet little doctor who lives in the central part of Russia. On more than one occasion she has asked me if when I will travel to meet her in August will I meet with just her or will there be others that I meet with as well. She seems somewhat worried about it. Not wanting to worry her I told her I will spend all of my time with her.

Another time I did plan to meet with 3 in Moscow. When I told the primary one on my list about my plan to meet 3 she grew very concerned about it. "Please, I hope you meet with me first," was her request. In both cases the women seemed to be clearly concerned about me meeting with several. That tells me how important I am to them and how important the first meeting is to them as well. I do one at a time. It has worked very well for me in the past. Others do nor recommend doing my method. Each to his own.

I look at it this way. I am so confident that I will be successful with meeting just the one that I am traveling to meet and that she will like me that I can do just one. I don't believe that I need back ups. Again, that is just me.

Peewee

[SANDRO43]

Many women hang on simply because once they're posted on the site it's purely a no cost gamble for them, after all it doesn't cost the agencies either and you never know. After all you never know where it might lead. You will find the serious ones will have recent pictures and possibly keep their profiles updated.

True. However, scammers also do that (repackaging )

BEWARE !

[Shadow]

Joe it all depends. If you write 10 women that are interested in you, 100% will be happy to meet you in their home town. If you write 10 women with other motives, none will want to meet you in their home town.
Realistic goals are one. Realistic approach is a second one. The debate about meeting one or multiple women will never stop. I always tell do what you are comfortable with, and expect equal treatment. If you want to meet multiple women do not be angry when a woman you are meeting can not meet you the next day because she has an appointment with another guy.

[Turboguy]

Another aspect of how many will contact you back is how you are contacting them.   Someplace like Free personals  where many are drawn because of the fact it is free and your response rate may be lower.  I think my response rate with FP is around 20 % +/-   With Elena's models my response rate is more in the 50% rate.   Now, way back when I used Global Ladies briefly at $ 8.00 a letter or whatever it was 100%.  Of course the question is who was really moving the keys on the computer, the beautiful 19 year old gal in the skimpy bikini or Yuri. 

As far as willingnesses to meet about everyone I write to is willing to meet.  I don't see much of an issue there for you.

[Joe Kerr]

"For example if you're a 50 y/o guy with a beer gut and very little money I expect you won't get a high percentage of responses if you're target group is 19 year olds."

What beer gut? 

"In my case I wrote to women no more 10 years younger than me with common goals and ambitions.  I got 100% responses (verified) and 30% were interested and able to meet me."

My parameters are quite similar.   

"Define average russian woman.  An attractive RW might correspond and meet with many guys before settling down if she ever does.  It will also depend on where she lives, those in the big cities and cities popular in with the marriage agencies will also have more "experience" than those from smaller, less popular towns."

I'll probably end up in a small town in the U.S. so I'll pass on the usual hunting grounds in Russia in the biggest cities.   

"As to giving up, I'm not sure what you mean, I didn't really ever give up the possibility of meeting someone here." 
 
I was referring to looking for a wife abroad not giving up women entirely.  I haven't seen a guy on this forum (I've been reading for a year) write a post about how he gave up on this whole venture. 

"I do one at a time. It has worked very well for me in the past. Others do nor recommend doing my method. Each to his own."

Peewee, maybe I'm wrong here but aren't you connected to the airlines in some way?  Most of us don't have that luxury. 

"If you want to meet multiple women do not be angry when a woman you are meeting can not meet you the next day because she has an appointment with another guy."
 
Exactly.  I've read about how the women want the men to see only them.  I think that is irrational since the next foreign guy could arrive in the back door as I leave out the front door.  If a woman has that many suitors, she doesn't need me as another sugar daddy.   

I tried the Match.com site for local dating on and off for a couple of years and I asked one woman how many guys were writing to her.  She had 19 guys lined up for a date and she really wasn't that attractive.  I read the ratio on that site was 60% men and 40%.  No wonder the women on Match could cop an attitude with all that attention.   
 

My profile goes up soon.  I don't think I'm going to reply to women who write me first.  With so many Russian women advertising themselves it seems smart to set realistic goals and not get swayed by younger or prettier than I can handle.  I see little reason to write dozens of women to boost my ego.

[PeeWee]

"My profile goes up soon.  I don't think I'm going to reply to women who write me first.  With so many Russian women advertising themselves it seems smart to set realistic goals and not get swayed by younger or prettier than I can handle.  I see little reason to write dozens of women to boost my ego."

Say what?

Peewee

[catzenmouse]

I'm with ya on that one PeeWee. Why put up your profile if you don't want women to write you? Do you put in your profile a line that says "Don't write to me. I won't reply."

Not getting the logic (or lack thereof) on this one.

Ken

[Turboguy]

Perhaps I am not following you completely PeeWee, but I sort of agree with Ken.  If it were me I would judge the ones that write to me by the same critera that you judge the ones that you decide to write too.   I don't end up writing too many of the ones that right me first but sometimes there are some gems in there.

[PeeWee]

Perhaps I am not following you completely PeeWee, but I sort of agree with Ken.  If it were me I would judge the ones that write to me by the same critera that you judge the ones that you decide to write too.   I don't end up writing too many of the ones that right me first but sometimes there are some gems in there.

I see this adventure by using the target practice analogy. Shotgun or rifle with scope. Shotgun means what it is, you take a shot but the as the buckshot scatters you have a good chance of hitting the duck. Harder to hit a duck with a rifle with scope, a one shot and percise delivery. Everyone has his own way at going about this. I use the rifle and scope method because I have little time for writting a lot of letters and little time for crusing the agency looking for ducks, but call them swans as they are more elegant than ducks.

I liked the idea of having them write to me because they took the time to show their interest to me by writing and now, if I write back to her, there is a high chance of there being even more emails exchanged. I then go to see the one that I have developed a reasonable series of exchanges and phone calls with. To meet for the first time.

My son, Little Peewee, is different. He met a lady by accident, he was not looking to meet a RW, while we were in Moscow last year. They have met. He wants to return to Russia this summer to met with her again. One woman one trip.

Peewee

[Jumper]

So many factors it would be impossible to predict responce percentages??

It depends on how good you are at writing,
or rather, how good you are at communicating with women
per correspondence. ¦nbsp;

How serious you come across in actually being someone that gets on a plane in a reasonable amount of time
 
Generally how your own looks, ¦nbsp;equate to the women you are writing,
and quite a few other factors.
 

Why not write many?
 if you get too many replies you can easily fix that..
a heck of a lot easier than not having enough replies.

[jb]

Excellent post AJ.

Peewee said;

because I have little time for writting a lot of letters and little time for crusing the agency looking for ducks, but call them swans as they are more elegant than ducks.

You seem to have plenty of time to post here, why not use the time more productively?  You might find something that gives you a lot more pleasure and satisfaction than reading the tripe that passes for wisdom here.

[Jooky]

if I write 10 women, how many might invite me over for a visit in their home town?

If you send that photo in your avatar, none!

I'll probably end up in a small town in the U.S. so I'll pass on the usual hunting grounds in Russia in the biggest cities.

Lots of guys think this way, but I don't get. Many city girls would rather live in the country, many small town girls dream of the big city. So many men ask things like "Would a RW live in a small town? I'm a mechanic, would a RW marry me? I have three kids, is that ok with a RW?".

Just ask the women you're writing! They are not all the same. Don't limit yourself based on false preconceptions.

The percent of responses your receive will depend on the factors AJ mentioned, but also on the site or agencies you use.

Some agencies require women to respond to all letters. You'll get a great response rate, but it might be a waste of your time. Larger sites than don't screen their clients will attract more scammers and keep older profiles.

My advice is to write many and be selective.

[PeeWee]

Excellent post AJ.

Peewee said;
You seem to have plenty of time to post here, why not use the time more productively?  You might find something that gives you a lot more pleasure and satisfaction than reading the tripe that passes for wisdom here.

 

I spend a lot of time at my computer. It is easy to surf by, look for something to read, learn something new, and then move on. Communicating with many women would take a lot more time than this does and why do it. One is enough for me. I don't need to validate my manhood or my self confidence, or anyother thing by taking the shotgun approach to this. One for one is all I want which now leaves me more to to post here and not have to write to a hoard of RW. Get it?

Peewee

[Joe Kerr]

"I'm with ya on that one PeeWee. Why put up your profile if you don't want women to write you? Do you put in your profile a line that says "Don't write to me. I won't reply."

I said I'd only write to the women I was interested.  If there are too few takers, I could always broaden my search by including those who would contact me first.  I put up a profile as a simple way for women to access my data and photo.  I doubt there are many Russian women writing long, original e-mails so they didn't waste much time writing to me.  I'm not writing long e-mails at the outset myself.   

My circumstances are somewhat different than most other posters on this forum.  I already have a woman I want to write who was recommended to me by a Russian friend here in the U.S..  Ironically, she was already on my top ten list before I saw her photo at my friend's apartment.  The others are just a backup plan.   
 
"Why not write many?
 if you get too many replies you can easily fix that..
a heck of a lot easier than not having enough replies."
 
Works the other way around as well.  Profiles and search criterea can change if need be.   


if I write 10 women, how many might invite me over for a visit in their home town?

"If you send that photo in your avatar, none!"

It's just an avatar I found.  It's a joke.  It's not really me.

[Jumper]

aj said Why not write many?
 if you get too many replies you can easily fix that..
a heck of a lot easier than not having enough replies."
 
joe replied
Works the other way around as well.¦nbsp; Profiles and search criterea can change if need be.¦nbsp; ¦nbsp;

of course it works the other way around!
if you have plenty of time, (and its good to not rush this )
then no real reason to worry about reply percentage anyway ..
da?
and you are just looking for backups..
*shrugs*

as jooky¦nbsp; mentioned¦nbsp; which websites/agencies is also a factor-
because the amount of scammers/ noise is much higher some places than others..
 getting a high percentage of reply rates, if you have to weed a huge percentage out as spam/scam can be a big factor.

 Good luck!

[Admin]

as jooky�  mentioned�  which websites/agencies is also a factor-
because the amount of scammers/ noise is much higher some places than others..
 getting a high percentage of reply rates, if you have to weed a huge percentage out as spam/scam can be a big factor.

 Good luck!

AJ,

The Reviews section of the site would be a great place for you to list, and rate, those agencies - both the bad and the good, and provide your experiences.

- Dan