Why many of us go to FSU to find a wife

[PBRstreetg]

Why would someone want to date an AW if this is an indicator?

[Some of these women are Euro, but most seem AW, albeit young such as university girls on spring break, some from soft porn sites, etc.]

http://webcafe.net.hr/forwarduse/video/inner.html?select=201307130004503

Amazing how a crisp 50USD bill can allow 'regular' girls to remain the same, if only about 275HRK richer

 ...He responded, "almond chicken".  This is a dish that is common in chinese restaurants here.  But this answer resulted in the girl ending things with the guy.  She regarded it as insufficiently culinarily adventurous for her.  I did not make this up!  And it's not an uncommon type of thing when you are online dating here.

Insufficiently cunnilingusly adventurous, unfortunately for her, was not a requirement 

Larry, there you go again with the Reaganomics. 

Nancy would not have approved of this thread 

[lonedrake]

is when women from a major city less than an hour away from where I live tell me "I live too far away." They aren't interested in a  long distance relationship.

 I hear that. I am 1 hour away from any city over 10,000 and it was a problem. Plus....I suck at bullshiting online.

[ML]

Come on guys . . . this has been covered hundreds of times.

The gals in FSU are no better (except for the slender variable) than gals in the West.

The only thing different is we guys can trade up to something more in FSU than we can achieve in the West . . . because of the economics.

Oh yeah, I just remembered . . . the FSU gals have a peppermint taste.

[Slumba]

Come on guys . . . this has been covered hundreds of times.

The gals in FSU are no better (except for the slender variable) than gals in the West.

The only thing different is we guys can trade up to something more in FSU than we can achieve in the West . . . because of the economics.

Oh yeah, I just remembered . . . the FSU gals have a peppermint taste.

And you have said exactly this, exactly as many times. 

Despite multiple commenters stating that there are in fact, qualitative differences between AW and FSUW aside from their size.

Now that I have actually been to Russia, it is clear that your experience is quite different from many others, mine included. 

Such that (to put it as politely as I know how), you are a statistical outlier.

[PBRstreetg]

My favorite tasted more like spearmint, with a hint of fishy-ness (in a good way))

[Gator]

Now that I have actually been to Russia, it is clear that your experience is quite different from many others, mine included. 

Such that (to put it as politely as I know how), you are a statistical outlier.

My opinion:   FSUW vary widely with regard to personality, values, etc.  It is wrong to say they are better than AW, particularly considering not a small number of FSUW are bad apples.  Nevertheless, with much pre-trip screening one can focus on women more to his liking.  A very appealing point is that if a man approaches FSUW who are more slender and younger than the AW a man would normally date, some of these FSUW will respond favorably to his overtures.

Before you consider ML's observation a "statistical "outlier," you should consider the terms statistical validity and reliability.  The rest of this post is about why ML is not an outlier. 

I assert that ML's observations based on what could be 50 or more trips to the FSU have more validity than observations from someone with 1-3 trips.   In other words, if you make only one trip, the few particular FSUW you meet could differ remarkably from the median FSUW.

Reliability is a more complicated issue.  First, there is the bias introduced when the uninitiated measure something.  A man on his first trip may be influenced by his exaggerated expectations, the wonderment of dating someone much younger than his AW peers, and the fog of a different culture and language. 

There is also the bias introduced by sample selection.  A man's AW samples are probably more random than his FSUW samples, who have been narrowed through various filters (profile analysis, correspondence, Skype) before deciding to meet.

Another bias may be that the FSUW a man meets have different motives for meeting than would the AW.    I assert one of the last things on an ASW's mind is the possibility of marriage, which could be paramount in the FSUW's mind. 

Let us return to ML's observation.  He concludes that FSUW gals are no better than AW other than BMI.  He would have been more accurate if he had added younger, but perhaps he implied such with the "slender" part.  The key point is that ML said "better" not "different."   

The few FSUW whom I got to know well have some differences from the many AW I have known well.  Some difference such as family values were preselected by me.  Other differences such as stubbornness and directness came with the general population and could be considered less desirable than AW traits.  Yet many traits such as sense of humor were the same merely because I would never have endeavored to know well any woman (whether FSUW or AW) if she did not have a SOH.

[jmana]

The first post reminded me of a little experiment I did years ago on OKcupid.  I posted 2 fake profiles on there, one an attractive woman, and the other a really unattractive fat woman who wrote about wanting sex.  The attractive girl got inundated with letters from guys of all ages, so many "her" mailbox got full.  But the interesting thing was the ugly fat girl who was horny got a hell of a lot of letters too!  From good looking, young guys!  I was amazed by this.  Not sure what any of it proved, other than that site is like a shark tank, and the guys are the sharks, and the women are tasty little morsels of bait and every time one is dropped into the water the sharks go batshit crazy

[Noch1]

I think the biggest difference is simple.
Supply and demand, never mind apples.
Western women, that have looks, plus other attributes the
normal man would like are in high demand, more competition.
The FSU offers more with a few catches.
Language being the biggest, the fact, even though she is likely better educated, it could mean nothing in your country. Values vary, but the fact that you have thousands
to filter, to what you look for, gives you better odds.
The fact you can go up a few notches from what you normally date.
Many factors, not necessarily better, just far more options.
But you need to understand a few  things. this is not easy cheap or fast.
If you have bad game in the west, your likely not doing a whole lot better
in the FSU. More important, understanding the differences.
FSW seek different qualities and require those for them to give up
their existing life. Hey if you educate yourself, from others mistakes, and get your ass on plane, dramatically increase your odds:)

[Vinnvinny]

As usual, Vinny, you take the prize for succinctness and accuracy. You captured in two sentences the essence of what I was trying to describe in many paragraphs.

And congratulations for not wasting years and tens of thousands of dollars/pounds on the Western dating sites.

Thanks Larry. Quite a few years back after my 2nd divorce a friend of mine who had also recently became single joined a few western sites of the type that are frequently mentioned here. He was younger than me and much better looking and, having witnessed the shallow and murky waters he was fishing in, I decided there and then that was a door that would remain firmly shut.

How much influence on browsers (men and women) does the novelty of chatting up a foreigner have?

Certainly not for me. I would be ecstatic if my town was full of attractive and single ladies who were fluent in English.

[I/O]

I would be ecstatic if my town was full of attractive and single ladies who were fluent in English.

Who would not be - the length and breadth of the FSU never revealed such a location either

[Vinnvinny]

There, fixed that for you Vin.

Thank you Ade for taking time out of your busy life to append my post. I hope that in later life you look back on the times you spent trolling complete strangers as being productive ones. I wish you and your family a most wonderful year.

[Slumba]

My opinion:   FSUW vary widely with regard to personality, values, etc.  It is wrong to say they are better than AW, particularly considering not a small number of FSUW are bad apples.

You gave a lengthy response to my short, perhaps too blunt post.  Perhaps I should have simply said that sweeping generalizations based on 1 person's experience, which are contradicted by others with similar experiences, are questionable.

Also, no one defined what "better" meant, so, what one person views as better, might not be to another's taste.

I will say, that from my view, there is a greater percentage of women I would consider to be a "likely match" among the FSUW I met.  And I did meet some that were never on any online dating agencies, spoke no English, etc., and thus there was a greater chance that they were representative of the FSUW population.

The "because of the economics" line is a generalization that is only partially true, if it is even true at all.  Older RWD posters that I can recall, such as I think Donna Pedro (?) mentioned many other reasons that had nothing to do with economics, but I don't have her posts to hand.

[Anotherkiwi]

The "because of the economics" line is a generalization that is only partially true, if it is even true at all.  Older RWD posters that I can recall, such as I think Donna Pedro (?) mentioned many other reasons that had nothing to do with economics, but I don't have her posts to hand.

Donna Pedro is one FSUW who quite clearly spelt out that economics was the over-riding reason for moving to the USA.  Love seemed to be only a tiny part of it.

[Ade]

Thank you Ade for taking time out of your busy life to append my post. I hope that in later life you look back on the times you spent trolling complete strangers as being productive ones. I wish you and your family a most wonderful year.

One man's troll is another man's truth.

If you are entirely honest with yourself, I think you'll agree that my additions to your post were accurate (and appropriate for many here) - so why the mods decided to remove it is, IMO, silly.

And thanks for the well wishing - my life is as productive as it needs to be.

[Slumba]

Donna Pedro is one FSUW who quite clearly spelt out that economics was the over-riding reason for moving to the USA.  Love seemed to be only a tiny part of it.

The search engine is broken, apparently?  So I can't find the quote I may be mis-remembering.

[BillyB]

Donna Pedro is one FSUW who quite clearly spelt out that economics was the over-riding reason for moving to the USA.  Love seemed to be only a tiny part of it.

Aren't economics the over riding reason for a woman to date and eventually marry a man at home? How many homeless men are getting dates? No money, no honey. Those words don't apply to just the men in this endeavor.

[Vinnvinny]

One man's troll is another man's truth.

If you are entirely honest with yourself, I think you'll agree that my additions to your post were accurate (and appropriate for many here) - so why the mods decided to remove it is, IMO, silly.

Thank you Ade for your considered reply. Open forums such as these attract all sorts of people and wacky views are frequently aired and usually tolerated. However, when they are combined with left field, unprovoked, personal attacks and derogatory manipulation of another members post, one can expect some censure as we saw here. Whilst you may find it ‘silly’, most will see such action as reasonable.

[Gator]

Perhaps I should have simply said that sweeping generalizations based on 1 person's experience, which are contradicted by others with similar experiences, are questionable.

And I could have simply said, an opinion based on hundreds of observations is more reliable than an opinion based on a few observations.

I will say, that from my view, there is a greater percentage of women I would consider to be a "likely match" among the FSUW I met.

By "likely match" do you mean compatibility? If so, I assert you probably could find the equal if not superior in the AW population (except the AW would probably be older and heavier because so few of the younger and slender AW would be interested in much older men on a permanent basis).   

   And I did meet some that were never on any online dating agencies, spoke no English, etc., and thus there was a greater chance that they were representative of the FSUW population.
 

Having a cup of tea with a FSUW hardly counts as getting to know them well. 

The "because of the economics" line is a generalization that is only partially true, if it is even true at all.  Older RWD posters that I can recall, such as I think Donna Pedro (?) mentioned many other reasons that had nothing to do with economics, but I don't have her posts to hand.

Partially correct.  I met Donna Petro and spoke to her several times.  Very intelligent woman.  I recall her saying that "economics" were important, but only as a threshold criterion.  The man must provide financial security, yet after meeting that minimum the man's other qualities are paramount (i. e., it is not about finding the wealthiest man).   

[Muzh]

Come on guys . . . this has been covered hundreds of times.

The gals in FSU are no better (except for the slender variable) than gals in the West.

The only thing different is we guys can trade up to something more in FSU than we can achieve in the West . . . because of the economics.

Oh yeah, I just remembered . . . the FSU gals have a peppermint taste.

Thanks for pointing out the elephant in the room. That pepermint taste is a dead giveaway.

[Muzh]

Aren't economics the over riding reason for a woman to date and eventually marry a man at home? How many homeless men are getting dates? No money, no honey. Those words don't apply to just the men in this endeavor.

It all depends on the woman you are looking for. If you want a subservient woman, then you don't look for those making more money than you do, right?

[Larry1]

The reason I raise the question is this - Back in the day, to be frank, I was just messing around really with no particular plan in mind, travelling a lot, dating plenty here and abroad. I'm fairly average I guess, and yet, despite all the arguments put forth about "ordinary" (or worse)  looking women proliferating USA whom mostly have an "attitude", I found very much the opposite - I was never short of hot dates in America who were charming company - is this in part because I was a foreigner?

I ran across one bit of evidence that the Australian accent is much appreciated by AW.  A Duke university student created a powerpoint presentation evaluating the guys she had slept with at Duke. I have attached her evaluation process slide.  You will notice at the bottom of the slide that she gave guys bonus points for having an Australian accent:

"Bonus points were given for extraneous factors, such as the presence of an Australian accent and/or professional surfing skills.  Points were deducted for rudeness or being Canadian."

I'm not sure why no love for the Canucks.

You can click on the pic to make it enlarge.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6962015/content/64875867-karen-owen-s-duke-sex-rating-powerpoin

[BillyB]

  I met Donna Petro and spoke to her several times.  Very intelligent woman.

I'm glad you had a good experience with Donna because my recollection of her isn't all that great. When I first signed up on the old forum, it was about the time she soon left the forum so I have very little experience reading her posts but the few I did read gave me the impression she was pessimistic, unhappy with her life and left the forum unhappy.

When I posted an introduction at the old forum and said I've been previously married to a Ukrainian woman I met in the states and she had a child from a previous relationship and mentioned I'm excited to get back into RW, Donna accused me of pursuing virgins.


Some pessimistic people, when reading cheerful posts, go into a blind rage, so as a result, what they read doesn't register correctly. I had to remind and reassure Donna that I married a woman with a child previously so my ex wasn't a virgin and targeting virgins wasn't my goal.


 Since I entered the scene when Donna was exiting, she was going through a lot of bad days and that's all I remember her by. She may very well be a different person than what I thought. I hope so.

  I recall her saying that "economics" were important, but only as a threshold criterion.  The man must provide financial security, yet after meeting that minimum the man's other qualities are paramount (i. e., it is not about finding the wealthiest man).   

That's an intelligent response by Donna.


Economics play a big role in relationships and usually it's the role of getting a man's foot in the door to the woman's heart. Some guys think that's a bad thing but it's natural for animals and humans to select the best possible mate to compliment their lives and benefit offspring. I've seen it often, on these forums, men having a jaded view of women who value economics. That isn't healthy and can be harmful in any relationship those men may enter. What a man should worry about is if economics is the only thing a woman is looking for.

  If you want a subservient woman, then you don't look for those making more money than you do, right?

I actually prefer women who make more money than I do.

[Slumba]

I actually prefer women who make more money than I do.

Rich, young, and the only daughter and sole heir of the co-owner of the company that makes Jaegermeister, would serve also (at least for me).

[Muzh]

I actually prefer women who make more money than I do.

I hope A never catches you saying this.

[BillyB]

I hope A never catches you saying this.

Ooops! Too late. Why didn't you warn me earlier?


My wife knows I'd like her to make more money than I after she finishes college. She knows I like FSU women, beautiful women, intelligent women, blondes, and long legs. She's not insecure and doesn't get mad when I say those things. She thinks it's rather normal.  IMO it's rather strange to see men scared of women who seek financial security in their lives and label those women gold diggers. Financial security are normal desires.