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Scammer Scorecard - Released
« on: May 05, 2006, 07:53:25 AM »
The Scammer Scorecard is now in 'Released' status!

Based on inputs received from the members, the Scorecard has been revised and upgraded. Check out the latest version, here -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=1

We will continue to tune and refine the Scorecard - and continue to welcome your comments, criticisms and suggestions. Keep 'em coming.

Enjoy!

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« Last Edit: May 05, 2006, 08:24:20 AM by Dan »

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2006, 08:18:41 AM »
I checked, and the colour coding near the answers at least give a clear explanation of the red and orange flags, which is a vast improvement.
I had two reasons why there was a high score on my fiancee and a former contact.

One was telling she loved me in a letter before meeting. It happened and meeting her did not change that as she is my fiancee. However I would normally see this as orange or red flag for most newbies.

Second is the location of the IP, I think the weight for this one is too heavy.
Perhaps this one should be split in more than one part.

I have a couple of examples, all verified, where the IP is not located in the city of origin.

1. Sends mail from work. She worked for a large German company and the e-mail came through Germany to my mail address. However she sent it from the Ukraine office.

2. Dial-up network. As internet is in development phase in Russia providers are in big competition. Dial up servers through special cheap numbers can be located in a different place. I know of a case where a woman changed provider and her IP location changed from Moscow to Siberia.

3. Sattellite internet. I recently came across an IP located in the USA, but on a Russian company. Some searching showed this was actually a sattellite internet connection.

If sending from an internet cafe from a smaller city, both 2 and 3 could be causing a red flag.

In general I am beginning to like this tool.
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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2006, 11:12:02 AM »
Dan,

On #3 and #4 would it be possible to change to answers to Sometimes/Always/Never

On #11 and #12 could it be possible to add the numbers 0 and 1

Just throwing in my two cents worth.

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2006, 11:22:33 AM »

But we have only the "He said" side of the story!  I wish there were some way we could view her scorecard.

In the end each must make his/her own dicision, and trust his ability to judge if it is right for them.

Often it is not RiGHT ,,, and both people are nice people....but not RIGHT     for esch other!

Before you make a choice... be informed! Because you will have to live with the results of that choice.

Happy years to the ones that have found the prize....and good adventures and trust your instinct if you are still looking..

But as an old women, I would remeind you... WOMEN are WOMEN, and we don't change much the world round!
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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2006, 12:36:56 PM »
Dan,

On #3 and #4 would it be possible to change to answers to Sometimes/Always/Never

On #11 and #12 could it be possible to add the numbers 0 and 1

Just throwing in my two cents worth.

Noleman

Made all the changes save for # 11. Will get back on that one.

Thanks!

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2006, 03:41:22 PM »
Radio buttons for 6 and 7 are kinda screwy.. answer one in 6 then when you answer in 7 your selection in 6 disappears..

Overall quite good though..

Would be nice to have a question something like:

Did you meet via:  o Agency/personals/   o Other non-marriage venue


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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2006, 04:04:18 PM »
Man, this program is tough, I just ran my wife of now 5+ years through the "scam detector" and the results were "Perhaps she is not a scammer".  I wonder what it would take to get a more definitive answer?

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2006, 04:14:23 PM »
I got a "she is probably not a scammer"..

but lied about our age difference.... LOL

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2006, 04:19:52 PM »
Same thing I got for Elena. Guess we got lucky... ;D
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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2006, 04:59:36 PM »
My wife "may be a scammer". I have to admit, I did catch
her sneaking some mayonnaise into the pizza dough last weekend.


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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2006, 05:03:44 PM »
You gotta be kidding Vaughn..

They'd give her a life sentence here for that..

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2006, 07:03:18 PM »
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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2006, 07:11:26 PM »
Would be nice to have a question something like:
Did you meet via:�  o Agency/personals/�  � o Other non-marriage venue

BC, what impact would that have on assessing the FSUW as honest vs. scammer ?
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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2006, 09:28:18 PM »
hi just did this test
was totaly honest,concider whoever designed this test knows nothing
my wife of 3 years came up as a possible
what a crock
the only thing i can see was the age difference & thats only  matters to couple concerned

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2006, 09:48:06 PM »
hi just did this test
was totaly honest,concider whoever designed this test knows nothing
my wife of 3 years came up as a possible
what a crock
the only thing i can see was the age difference & thats only  matters to couple concerned

Don't be offended, the test is designed to help people - especially inexperience people - to identify scamming behaviors.

In that regard, age difference *has* to be considered. I, too, have a large age difference in my marriage - and that score alone places my wife of 5 years in the possible scammer category. Does that mean she is a scammer? Of course not. Does it mean I would counsel a guy who was involved with a woman more than 20 years his junior to be cautious? You bethcha.

How would you suggest the SSC be improved?

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2006, 03:17:05 AM »
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Would be nice to have a question something like:
Did you meet via:��  o Agency/personals/��  �� o Other non-marriage venue
BC, what impact would that have on assessing the FSUW as honest vs. scammer ?

Not trying to point out exceptions since they always seem to exist, but looking around this board there are quite a few men that were not actively looking for a RW but ended up married with one.. Chance meetings while travelling, Men working in FSU etc.

Here in south IT, we know several IM/RW couples, - none met via an agency.

Just trying to possibly broaden the scope of the questionaire a bit.  At the moment it is designed for the man who is approaching this venture via the agency/letterwriting route.












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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2006, 03:26:52 AM »
Put some explanation on the colours used, so that people can understand which questions leads to increasing of the score.
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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2006, 03:40:59 AM »
Shadow,

The colors are good for debugging and testing but should disappear when all is final.

Kinda easy to pick green ;)

But of course if you're foolin yourself, you're foolin yourself anyway...

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2006, 12:04:57 PM »
   Is it even possible to get..."Not a scammer"?  My wife came up Scammer first time and then second time when I was trying to make her not a scammer...it came up Probably a Scammer.  LOL

  I think the test weighs way too hard on some questions is my guess. I think it needs to be re-tooled.

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2006, 03:58:38 PM »
 
Hay guys... if you are lucky enough to find, a "Best friend" and marry her ....
My advice..." :)  KEEP HER".

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2006, 05:04:01 PM »
I'm sorry, I think this 'test' is complete pants.

I ran two ladies I am corresponding with through it and they both came out as scammers.
Now, I may be a bit dim but I think I'm old enough and experieced enough with women to recognise one that is trying to get into my wallet rather than my pants or my heart.

IMV this is scorecard is of highly questionable utility. What's wrong with common sense?
'It's not very common...'
Good answer...
Best to stick with the scorecard, then...
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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2006, 10:46:46 AM »
I tested it and it didn't work... it said "probably a scammer" on a lady whom I trust... It's a little too harsh I think and the scoring needs to be adjusted.
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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2006, 10:55:16 AM »
I tested it and it didn't work... it said "probably a scammer" on a lady whom I trust... It's a little too harsh I think and the scoring needs to be adjusted.

Specific suggestions?

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2006, 11:07:47 AM »

Do you think she/he might be a scammer, if the wants are; ....a Mink on the shoulder, a Jaguar in the drive, a Tiger in the bed, and a Jackass to pay for it?

or simply dreaming? :)

Oh well ....(sigh)  LIFE GOES ON.......

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Re: Scammer Scorecard - Released
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2006, 11:12:41 AM »
I tested it and it didn't work... it said "probably a scammer" on a lady whom I trust...
One could always counter : "Do you REALLY know her, and for how long have you known her ?". Surprises may always happen (fortunately AND unfortunately).
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It's a little too harsh I think and the scoring needs to be adjusted.
This was rather deliberate, since it's preferable to err on the side of caution than in the opposite direction, and an unexpected harsh verdict usually makes people stop and think, and possibly reconsider some earlier, too optimistic conclusions, many cases of which we have seen all too often on this board.   

If it obtains just that result, then it may have proved its usefulness, it was not meant as an infallible ORACLE of truth (please read the header on top).
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