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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1600 on: March 23, 2015, 04:17:23 PM »
In what way did Reagan kill Americans to get elected President?  How did Reagan start a war with a neighbor like Chechnya, get many of his countrymen killed only to surrender de facto control to a traitor like Razman Kadyrov's Daddy?  How many people did Reagan's friends kill for Reagan on his birthday?  Reagan created 20 million jobs, how many did Putin create?  How many underworld connections did Reagan have with Putin?  How many US servicemen were denied burial due to operations Reagan ordered compared to Putin?  How many plastic surgeries has Reagan had?  The resemblance is astonishing.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1601 on: March 23, 2015, 04:23:48 PM »
Central America was pretty unstable during the Reagan years.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1602 on: March 23, 2015, 04:27:22 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on March 23, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
You claimed he is upfront.  He isn't upfront, as he has been caught in several lies.


Irelevent. It goes against my preconceived notions.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1603 on: March 23, 2015, 04:34:12 PM »
Quote from: Muzh on March 23, 2015, 04:12:40 PM

What you like the best? His bare chest or his macho prowess?


You're pro Ukraine and judging by your avatar you like Putin a lot more than me.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1604 on: March 23, 2015, 04:53:27 PM »
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With two studies out of the way, both Western-based, it seems without question that the vast majority of Crimeans do not feel they were duped into voting for annexation, and that life with Russia will be better for them and their families than life with Ukraine. A year ago this week, 83% of Crimeans went to the polling stations and almost 97% expressed support for reunification with their former Soviet parent. The majority of people living on the peninsula are ethnic Russians.

This was the gist of the article I posted, any thoughts?


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1605 on: March 23, 2015, 05:30:10 PM »
Quote from: lordtiberius on March 23, 2015, 04:17:23 PM
In what way did Reagan kill Americans to get elected President?  How did Reagan start a war with a neighbor like Chechnya, get many of his countrymen killed only to surrender de facto control to a traitor like Razman Kadyrov's Daddy?  How many people did Reagan's friends kill for Reagan on his birthday?  Reagan created 20 million jobs, how many did Putin create?  How many underworld connections did Reagan have with Putin?  How many US servicemen were denied burial due to operations Reagan ordered compared to Putin?  How many plastic surgeries has Reagan had?  The resemblance is astonishing.
...boring....


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1606 on: March 23, 2015, 05:33:23 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on March 23, 2015, 08:24:21 AM
What a stupid argument.  Mind you, I don't expect much from the former commie nomenklatura who are now the "respected lawmakers" of Russia and yes, Ukraine.
 
They were killers and pigs before the collapse, and they haven't changed much since the collapse of the USSR.


I think the statement by the Russian official was made to point out the hypocrisy of the UK making the statement it did, given it's own history. 


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1607 on: March 23, 2015, 05:34:48 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on March 23, 2015, 04:23:48 PM
Central America was pretty unstable during the Reagan years.

Anyone else agree with Steamer and Boethius that Putin is like Reagan?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1608 on: March 23, 2015, 05:44:30 PM »
Quote from: lordtiberius on March 23, 2015, 05:34:48 PM
Anyone else agree with Steamer and Boethius that Putin is like Reagan?

I am a Reagan fan, and a comparison to Putin insults Ronnie. 
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1609 on: March 23, 2015, 05:49:03 PM »
Quote from: Steamer on March 23, 2015, 02:38:05 PM

No redistributed, from the bottom up. Put Putin on a pedestal? Really? I said I like the guy. Why does everything go to extremes with you guys?

You are saying we go to extremes!   

Speaking of extreme, you are the one who wrote, "Top performing oligarch gets a bonus and a parade, bottom performing oligarch gets a bullet in the head and his business turned over to someone more capable."
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1610 on: March 23, 2015, 05:55:03 PM »
Quote from: Gator on March 23, 2015, 05:44:30 PM
I am a Reagan fan, and a comparison to Putin insults Ronnie.

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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1611 on: March 23, 2015, 06:01:05 PM »
Quote from: lordtiberius on March 23, 2015, 05:34:48 PM
Anyone else agree with Steamer and Boethius that Putin is like Reagan?


I never asserted that, nor do I believe it.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1612 on: March 23, 2015, 06:06:10 PM »
Quote from: Steamer on March 23, 2015, 04:27:22 PM

Irelevent. It goes against my preconceived notions.


I would never misspell irrelevant. :) In any event, it is relevant, because you made it so.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1613 on: March 23, 2015, 06:22:45 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on March 23, 2015, 06:01:05 PM

I never asserted that, nor do I believe it.

That is comforting.  I apologize for any misunderstanding.  As for the likeness, Putin has to Reagan, I agree with the sentiments expressed by the gentlemen above me.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1614 on: March 23, 2015, 06:30:08 PM »
Quote from: lordtiberius on March 23, 2015, 05:34:48 PM
Anyone else agree with Steamer and Boethius that Putin is like Reagan?


No one ever said Putin is like Reagan. You are just pulling inferences out of your !ss. If not then show me.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1615 on: March 23, 2015, 07:00:47 PM »
I think the forum is not interested in any foreplay between you and I.  Let me therefore, move on.

So I was talking to 2 Eurasians last night over twitter.  Everyone here knows my views on Novorossiya and its adherents, yet I correspond with these half men because they are polite and we find agreement on certain issues.

1) There is a slow motion coup going on in the Kremlin between the Kadyrovsty and the Siloviki.

2) Ukraine is the great beneficiary of this conflict because the war in Moscow stunts any progress made by Russia's war machine.

3) The assassination of Batman is a blot on Russian military honor.

4) Hybrid warfare is a stupid way to to wage war that unnecessarily wastes Russian lives and Russian combat power that only benefits the greed of the SysLibs.

5) Russia's survival depends on aggression and expansion.  Any discussion of morality is second to political expediency of the geopolitical and historical realities of Russia.

6) Russia is fragile and could cease to exist if Russia returns to the ways of the 90s.

We could not agree on anything else.  One of them insisted that the only way forward was for America to intervene on the side of the self-proclaimed Republics and recognize them before Russia.  You can guess what my thoughts were on that measure.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1616 on: March 24, 2015, 07:37:14 AM »
Putin on the Ritz
« Last Edit: March 24, 2015, 08:07:03 AM by Faux Pas »
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1617 on: March 24, 2015, 02:59:26 PM »
Quote from: lordtiberius on March 23, 2015, 04:17:23 PM
In what way did Reagan kill Americans to get elected President?  How did Reagan start a war with a neighbor like Chechnya, get many of his countrymen killed only to surrender de facto control to a traitor like Razman Kadyrov's Daddy?  How many people did Reagan's friends kill for Reagan on his birthday?  Reagan created 20 million jobs, how many did Putin create?  How many underworld connections did Reagan have with Putin?  How many US servicemen were denied burial due to operations Reagan ordered compared to Putin?  How many plastic surgeries has Reagan had?  The resemblance is astonishing.


Ever heard of Efrain Rios Montt?


Look him up and get a calculator because the numbers are staggering.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1618 on: March 24, 2015, 03:00:56 PM »
Quote from: Steamer on March 23, 2015, 04:34:12 PM

You're pro Ukraine and judging by your avatar you like Putin a lot more than me.


Oh dear, and how did you come out with that incredible deduction, Sherlock?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1619 on: March 24, 2015, 03:43:21 PM »
Quote from: Muzh on March 24, 2015, 02:59:26 PM

Ever heard of Efrain Rios Montt?


Look him up and get a calculator because the numbers are staggering.

If you are willing to answer my questions point by point with civility in a separate thread, I would be interested in a dialogue with you.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1620 on: March 24, 2015, 04:27:56 PM »
Quote from: Muzh on March 24, 2015, 02:59:26 PM

Ever heard of Efrain Rios Montt?


Look him up and get a calculator because the numbers are staggering.


SUPERB!!!!  Given some of our recent history we can't (with credibility) lecture about how our past leaders are all angelic and everybody we disagree with is the devil.....lots of shades of gray and both the US and Russia are in it. 


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1621 on: March 24, 2015, 04:58:08 PM »
America is always wrong, eh FT?
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1622 on: March 24, 2015, 06:39:53 PM »
Quote from: lordtiberius on March 24, 2015, 04:58:08 PM
America is always wrong, eh FT?


Unlike you, I am not a loyalist to the point of blindness....the very thing you criticize the Russian citizenry of.  :o


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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1623 on: March 24, 2015, 07:58:18 PM »
You got nothing.
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Re: The Propaganda War
« Reply #1624 on: March 24, 2015, 08:34:23 PM »
Quote from: fathertime on March 24, 2015, 06:39:53 PM

Unlike you, I am not a loyalist to the point of blindness....the very thing you criticize the Russian citizenry of.  :o


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Quote from: lordtiberius on March 24, 2015, 07:58:18 PM
You got nothing.


I was expecting your standard nothing response when a truth regarding your willful blindness is revealed....the truth is YOU have nothing, as is evidenced in your 'response'.   :D :D


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