The Propaganda War

[Muzh]

We are not clueless or in the dark. We know what spreading democracy American-style means.

LMFAO


Said the man whose country decimated entire civilizations in the name of the Queen.

[Shadow]

The point is that the separatist movement in Donbas is not a native movement.  Where do you think the funds and equipment come from?

Do you believe all people in the Donbass region are living in poverty?

[Gator]

We are not clueless or in the dark. We know what spreading democracy American-style means.

Are you certain those soldiers did not have a search warrant?

BTW, how is democracy there today after the interventionists left?

[jone]

Do you believe all people in the Donbass region are living in poverty?

Just the opposite, Shadow.  Where do you think the funds came to kick the rebels out of Mariupol?

[Photo Guy]

Speaking of Akhmetov, where is he now? What is he saying during the seige of Donetsk?
The separatists are both locals and Russians from Russia. It looks to me like most of them are motivated by propaganda from Moscow. Imagine dying, to fight an imagined monster (Poroshenko)? Very sad.

[Photo Guy]

One line of propaganda that has appeared in Moscow's media, ever since Euromaidan, is the idea that life in the USA and the EU is horrible, dangerous, and scary. Current surveys in Russia show us that Russians have a low opinion of the EU and the USA.
But, Russians should consider these facts:

Дочь Сталина - десятилетия жила и умерла в США.
 - Сын Хрущева - гражданин США.
 - Где дочери Путина? В России их не видно.
 - Депутат Пехтин. С сыном в США.
 - Министр транспорта Московской области - Кацыва. С сыном в США.
 - Дети депутата Железняка - живут в Швейцарии.
 - Дети Астахова. Один во Франции, другой в Англии.
 - Дети и внуки "главного патриота России" главы РЖД Владимира Якунина живут за пределами страны - в Англии и Швейцарии.
 - Дочка министра иностранных дел Сергея Лаврова Екатерина живет и учится в США.
 - Сын - вице-спикера госдумы А.Жукова долго жил и учился в Лондоне.
 - Дочь вице-спикера гос.думы Сергея Анденко учится и живёт в Германии.
 - Старший сын вице-премьера Дмитрия Козака - Алексей живет за границей и занимается строительным бизнесом.
 - Младший брат Алексея Козака, Александр, работает в Credit Suisse
 - Старший сын депутата Ремезкова, Степан, недавно закончил милитер-колледж Вэлли Фордж в Пенсильвании (год обучения стоит 1 млн 295 761 руб.).
 Его младшая дочь живёт в Вене, где занимается гимнастикой. Маша Ремезкова представляла сборную Австрии(!!!) на детских соревнованиях в Любляне.
 - Дочь депутата В. Фетисова - Анастасия, выросла и выучилась в США.Писать и читать по-русски Настя так и не научилась.
 - Дочь Светланы Нестеровой, депутата гос.думы от фракции «Единая Россия»- живет в Англии.
 - У главного борца за "традиционные православные ценности" Е. Мизулиной сын Николай учился в Оксфорде, получил диплом и переехал жить на постоянной основе в толерантную Бельгию, где разрешены однополые браки.
 - Дочь депутата Воронцова Анна проживает в Италии. Туда она переехала из Германии.
 - У единоросса Елены Раховой, прославившуюся тем, что она ленинградцев, проживших менее 120 дней в блокаде, назвала "недоблокадниками", дочь живет в США.
 - Дочь экс-спикера ГД,одного из основателей партии "Единая Россия", а ныне члена Совбеза Бориса Грызлова Евгения живёт в Таллине. И даже недавно получила эстонское гражданство.
 - Сын бывшего министра образования Андрей Фурсенко живёт на постоянной основе в США.
 - Сын В.Никонова (внука Молотова), президента фонда «Политика»- гражданин США. А Вам, русские, доказывают, что там плохо????? И Вы еще верите?

[Photo Guy]

from Ольга Павли's facebok page google translation:

Stalin's daughter - decades lived and died in the United States.
- Khrushchev's son - a U.S. citizen.
- Where is the daughter of Putin? In Russia, they are not visible.
- Deputy Pehtin. With his son in the United States.
- Minister of Transport, Moscow region - Katsyv. With his son in the United States.
- Children MP Zheleznyaka - live in Switzerland.
- Children Astakhov. One in France and one in England.
- Children and grandchildren "main Russian patriot" head Vladimir Yakunin live outside the country - in England and Switzerland.
- Daughter of the Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov Catherine lives and studies in the United States.
- Son - State Duma Deputy Speaker Alexander Zhukov long lived and studied in London.
- Daughter of Vice Speaker Sergei Gos.Dumy Andenko living and studying in Germany.
- The eldest son of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak - Alex lives abroad and in the construction business.
- Younger brother Alexey Kozak, Alexander, works for Credit Suisse
- The eldest son of the deputy Remezkova Stepan, recently graduated from College Militaire Valley Forge in Pennsylvania (study year 1 million worth 295,761 rubles.).
His youngest daughter lives in Vienna, where he is engaged in gymnastics. Masha Remezkova represented the national team of Austria (!) On the children's competitions in Ljubljana.
- Daughter deputy V. Fetisov - Anastasia grew and learned to read and SShA.Pisat in Russian Anastasia never learned.
- Daughter Svetlana Nesterova, State Duma member from the faction "United Russia" - lives in England.
- The main champion of "traditional Orthodox values​​" E. Mizulina son Nicholas studied at Oxford University, received his diploma and went to live on a permanent basis in a tolerant Belgium, where gay marriages are allowed.
- Daughter deputy Vorontsov Anna lives in Italy. She moved there from Germany.
- At United Russia Elena Rakhova famous because she Leningrad, lived less than 120 days in the blockade, called "nedoblokadnikami" daughter lives in the United States.
- Daughter of the ex-speaker of the State Duma, one of the founders of the party "United Russia", and now a member of the Security Council Boris Gryzlov Eugene lives in Tallinn. And even recently received Estonian citizenship.
- The son of former Education Minister Andrei Fursenko lives permanently in the United States.
- Son Nikonov (Molotov's grandson), President of the Foundation "Politics" - a U.S. citizen. And to you, Russian, prove that there is bad????? And you still believe?

[jone]

Putin's daughter lives in the Netherlands.

Stalin's daughter died last year, and lived not too far from where I grew up, in Wisconsin.

[Shadow]

Putin's daughter lives in the Netherlands.

Her current whereabouts are unknown as some people were choosing their words unwisely.

[wicheese]

Putin's daughter lives in the Netherlands.

His other daughter lives in Korea.

[Shadow]

His other daughter lives in Korea.

North or South?

[Faux Pas]

Her current whereabouts are unknown as some people were choosing their words unwisely.

She did maintain a residence there.

[Shadow]

She did maintain a residence there.

To be more precise, her Dutch husband does.
In the wake of the MH17 tragedy a mayor of a small Dutch town poposed to evict Putin´s daughter from the Netherlands as sanction. While he retracted this a very short time after and issued an apology, it was enough for the Faassens to book an extended holiday.

[Faux Pas]

To be more precise, her Dutch husband does.
In the wake of the MH17 tragedy a mayor of a small Dutch town poposed to evict Putin´s daughter from the Netherlands as sanction. While he retracted this a very short time after and issued an apology, it was enough for the Faassens to book an extended holiday.

That is the story I read although it said nothing about booking a holiday, just that they were gone and haven't been seen. So it's her husbands condo and she doesn't own it or consider it a residence? 

[southernX]

That is the story I read although it said nothing about booking a holiday, just that they were gone and haven't been seen. So it's her husbands condo and she doesn't own it or consider it a residence? 

FP , you cant beat russian logic when it comes to facts 

being married im sure you have experienced this twist of logic lol

SX

[Faux Pas]

FP , you cant beat russian logic when it comes to facts 

being married im sure you have experienced this twist of logic lol

SX

Maybe so but, twisted the other way  For example we have "our" car and we have "her" car

[Photo Guy]

A 'rebel' in eastern Ukraine talking about Buk missiles:

http://www.rferl.org/media/video/ukraine-rebel-commander-buk-missile/25468569.html?z=670&zp=1

from that article:
'...In a July 22 interview with Reuters, pro-Russian separatist commander Aleksandr Khodakovsky admitted the separatists had the type of antiaircraft missiles believed to have been used to shoot down a Malaysian airliner over eastern Ukraine...'

[Photo Guy]

Now why would people see a video like that, and still hold the position that Russia is not sending powerful weapons to Ukraine?

[southernX]

Maybe so but, twisted the other way  For example we have "our" car and we have "her" car

yep , thats them lovely FSU GIRLS logic all right lol 

any married guy knows how it wrks with them 
but we love them  all the more for it i reckon
SX

[I/O]

For example we have "our" car and we have "her" car

Ours when we buy it, mine (wife) when we show it to our friends (initially), yours (husband) when it comes to paying for repairs. Remember - RW thinking - what's yours is mine and what's mine's my own. Topic for another thread.

[I/O]

Said the man whose country decimated entire civilizations in the name of the Queen.

There can be much made of that but what the Brit's did do was leave a fairly stable and enduring system of government and prosperity (for the most part) in place. Quite unlike the Spanish and to an extent the French conquerors for example. There's plenty of holes in my proposition but it's worth comparing Canada with Mexico or Australia with the Philippines together with the mess in French speaking North Africa.

[Gator]

There can be much made of that but what the Brit's did do was leave a fairly stable and enduring system of government and prosperity (for the most part) in place. Quite unlike the Spanish and to an extent the French conquerors for example. There's plenty of holes in my proposition but it's worth comparing Canada with Mexico or Australia with the Philippines together with the mess in French speaking North Africa.

Near the top of the list is the Brits'  introduction of a proper crapper. 

Comparison of India with China for the period when the former was a British colony gives convincing evidence of the benefits of Anglicization. 

[jone]

[Boethius]

Very interesting article on corruption at the top of Ukraine's military command structure.


David Marples is a respected historian.  I believe some of this is true, although the Soviet military was historically one place where corruption did not exist at command levels.


http://opendemocracy.net/od-russia/david-marples-myroslava-uniat/ukrainian-army-is-unprepared-for-war

[I/O]

David Marples is a respected historian.  I believe some of this is true, although the Soviet military was historically one place where corruption did not exist at command levels.

Boethius - It is a good article and from what I understand, is significantly true. Indulge me to take up your point about Soviet Military Corruption thus. Way back when, I was travelling in a "Private Taxi" in Russia from a city to a tourist location along a very well maintained (if not quite a highway) road when much to my horror we suddenly braked and veered down a side track into the bush. Before my self defences became completely physical (as I  was bigger than the non Russian but Russian speaking driver, I figured I could at least make life willing for him on the way out), I found we were parked next to and being refuelled by, a  military bulk tanker hidden (loosely) in the bush with the pump being manned by a 3 star general.
 
I was to later recant my experience to my host and hostess, a charming Russian couple - after being berated thoroughly for daring to escape their watchful eye (and apparent protection) and be so stupid as to hire a taxi driven by who knows whom from who knows where going to see who knows what, I remarked that what amazed me most was the involvement of the 3 star general - my hostesses response was telling. A wry smile followed by "We have a lot of generals in Russia".  I enquired had it always been this way and they both assured me it had, even long before the collapse of the Soviet Union.