Current situation in Ukraine

[chilenoski]

Hi everyone! I've recently seen the news in my country (Chile) about the situation between Ukraine and Russia. For what I've seen and read it's clear that the relationships between Russians and Ukranian are not quite good but sometimes the tv news tend to overreact about what's really going on in Ukraine. So, I wanted to ask to the russian and ukranian girls member of this forum, What do you think about this? What's really going on in Ukraine? Is it true that both countries are in the edge of a war? Do you think that is "safe" or "convinient" to go to Ukraine right now? It's not my intention to make a politic debate, neither to create a enmity between both peoples, I just want to understand this situation, especially if I have intention to get to know some special girl from there.

Greetings...

[BillyB]

. So, I wanted to ask to the russian and ukranian girls member of this forum, What do you think about this? What's really going on in Ukraine?

Read some of the political threads and you'll find some of the lady's opinions on the matter. Like men, they don't always agree. There will be some pro West Ukrainians that say east Ukraine is dangerous to visit and there will be some pro Russian Ukrainians that say it's safe to visit east Ukraine but it's more dangerous in west Ukraine because the violent fascists that took over Ukraine's government live in there. I'm half Asian and been to West Ukraine a few times and never felt any discrimination or hostilities.


You've probably read some journalists, individuals, and independent observers have been taken hostage and beaten. This is true but few so the risks are still low if you want to visit. The biggest problem I see for men in this endeavor is getting involved with an east Ukrainian woman and later having his paperwork messed up because the region changed hands over to Russia. Also another problem is with escalating sanctions, there may be a tourist ban on all citizens from both America/Europe and Russia and it would be extremely hard to get together with ladies from Russia. You, living in Chile, may not have as many problems unless Chile is joining the West on applying sanctions on Russia.


It might be best to focus on RW in other countries like Uzbekistan, the Baltics, Kazahkstan, etc... until this crisis is over with.

[calmissile]

Current status of banking from wife in Kiev...

Upon my recommendation for her to keep her money in USD, I transferred $1000 to our U.S. joint bank account.  She was able to take the debit card and withdraw $200 from 5 banks and get the $1000 in cash.  She indicated that there is a limit of $200 per bank, per person for USD.

She had previously transferred money from our joint U.S. account into her personal account in Grivna.  She was then limited to about $50 per pay (400+ Grivna) in withdrawals from her Ukraine account.  It is not clear to me whether that limit has been changed or eliminated.

Considering the future of the Grivna, it might be best for your loved ones and family to hold USD or Euros rather than Grivna.

[JayH]

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17558.0

Similar question-- but more specific. You should be reading .

[XMan]

Current status of banking from wife in Kiev...

Upon my recommendation for her to keep her money in USD, I transferred $1000 to our U.S. joint bank account.  She was able to take the debit card and withdraw $200 from 5 banks and get the $1000 in cash.  She indicated that there is a limit of $200 per bank, per person for USD.

She had previously transferred money from our joint U.S. account into her personal account in Grivna.  She was then limited to about $50 per pay (400+ Grivna) in withdrawals from her Ukraine account.  It is not clear to me whether that limit has been changed or eliminated.

Considering the future of the Grivna, it might be best for your loved ones and family to hold USD or Euros rather than Grivna.

Absolutely correct, as I have 50,000 grivna I cannot get to at all, and do not know if I ever will.  Not to mention it lost about 30% of its value.  The interest rate hardly makes up for that.

Limits in western Ukraine, as of two days ago, were 1,000 grivna per day, or about $80, given the current decline in grivna value.

If you want to read a Belarussian journalist's perspective on what is happening in eastern Ukraine, see this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-intelligence-officers-in-eastern-ukraine-2014-4

his interview begins part way through the article.  He traveled there with two other foreigners (French journalist, Italian photographer).

XMan

[ML]

Absolutely correct, as I have 50,000 grivna I cannot get to at all, and do not know if I ever will.  Not to mention it lost about 30% of its value.  The interest rate hardly makes up for that.

Not commonly known to the general public but . . . interest rates paid on deposits are a reflection of the expected future inflation rate in that country as well as the probability of devaluation (whether via market adjustments in a floating currency or direct action by national government in a pegged situation.)

Any extra interest you think you are earning is illusionary in anything except the very short run (and then only if you are very lucky).

[tfcrew]

As of today........... $1 US = 11.55 Ukrainian Hryvnia

[XMan]

As of today........... $1 US = 11.55 Ukrainian Hryvnia

Relatively stable for several years.

Funny how having part of your country annexed, Russian troops pretending to be Ukrainian citizens stirring up S**t, a long list of economic issues, etc., crushes your currency....

[chilenoski]

Ok guys, thanks for the information.

It might be best to focus on RW in other countries like Uzbekistan, the Baltics, Kazahkstan, etc... until this crisis is over with.

I think I'm going to take your advice BillyB, I think that is better in the meantime. It's a shame because there's a lot of beautiful women in ukraine. I just hope that this conflict over soon.

[BillyB]

Ok guys, thanks for the information.

I think I'm going to take your advice BillyB, I think that is better in the meantime. It's a shame because there's a lot of beautiful women in ukraine.

There are beautiful Slavic women in the countries I mentioned. It may be more difficult to get to those countries compared to Ukraine but if you find a wonderful woman, it's worth it. Good luck and enjoy the journey no matter where you go.

[cc3]

Chilenoski, if I was starting this search anew, amidst current conditions, I would confine it to geographical parameters within NATO boundaries and eastern European countries not previously CCCP.
However, I am currently engaged to a Luhansk lady, and will do everything that I can to relocate her further west in Ukraine, preferably Lviv.

[tfcrew]

Ukraine Violence Spreads: At Least One Killed in Odessa Riots Ukraine's tug-of-war between Russia and the West lurched to the central southern coastal city of Odessa on Friday, with around a thousand rival protesters involved in violent clashes in the city center.
A demonstration calling for the country's unity marched through the streets and was met by pro-Russian activists, Kiev-based UNIAN news agency and the Ukrainian online newspaper Ukrainskaya Pravda reported.   Riot police stepped in as the crowds threw flares and light bombs, and fired stones in slingshots. The English-language Kiev Post reported that one person had been killed in the clashes, showing a photograph of a body wrapped in the Ukrainian flag.

 

Ukraine Clashes Turn Deadly as Dozens Killed in Fire    Reuters  A protester wrapped in a Ukrainian flag walks past a burning tent camp and a fire in the trade union building where at least 31 people were killed.    At least 31 people were killed in a fire that broke out amid clashes between pro-Russia demonstrators and government supporters in the southern Ukrainian city of Odessa.
The port city has not been a deadly flashpoint in the unrest that has plagued the eastern section of Ukraine during the tug-of-war between Russia and the West.
But violence erupted when protesters calling for a united Ukraine marched through the streets and were met by pro-Russian activists, Kiev-based UNIAN news agency and the Ukrainian online newspaper Ukrainskaya Pravda reported.
Riot police stepped in as the crowds threw flares and light bombs, and fired stones in slingshots. Several people were reported killed, but the toll rose sharply after a trade union building was set ablaze.

See videos.....

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/ukraine-clashes-turn-deadly-dozens-killed-fire-n95916

[lordtiberius]

A good info graphic about the military situation in Ukraine:

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/russias-buildup-on-the-ukraine-border/996/?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost

[Елена]

in this scuffle Nazis burned alive 47 people. !!. And all of you divide people into pro-Russian and pro-Western. only wounded more than 200.

[calmissile]

in this scuffle Nazis burned alive 47 people. !!. And all of you divide people into pro-Russian and pro-Western. only wounded more than 200.

I am curious as to why Russians call westerners Nazis?
Would you be comfortable if Westerners called all Russians Communists?

[lordtiberius]

I am very comfortable calling all Putin supporters SCUM.

[alex330]

I am curious as to why Russians call westerners Nazis?

Certain members supposedly had ties to Nazi groups. In regards to Nazi's in Odessa, hilarious. Odessa is a very multinational city with a decent Jewish population. My wife's babushka fought against the Nazi's during WWII in the same city so this label is just insulting.

The funny thing is that Russia itself is home to most neo Nazi's today.

[XMan]

I am curious as to why Russians call westerners Nazis?
Would you be comfortable if Westerners called all Russians Communists?

It's an attempt to try to demonize the perceived opponent, and used when there is no real ability or desire to debate a sensitive topic, and even more often when the name caller knows he or she is in the wrong.   

The recent tragic events in Odessa are a perfect example.  Pro-Russian's (likely with special ops direction at the very least) attacked a larger crowd of Ukrainian unity marchers.  The unarmed crowd went all medieval on them, since they did not particularly enjoy being beaten and shot at, and set the trade union building the pro-Russians retreated to on fire.  No police got involved on either side. 

Is it tragic?  Yes.
Is it surprising?  No. 

If someone is threatening your life, you run or you fight back.  They chose fighting back. 

From Russia's spin the "fascist Nazi's" (unarmed) burned freedom fighters alive.
From a more logical perspective, the pro-Russian's created an angry retaliatory mob and paid a heavy price. 

In the end, you reap what you sow.   

If you really want to stop violence, pull your Russian troops pretending to be Ukrainian's out of Ukraine.  Then have the Ukrainian military stand down and find a way to have real elections (unlike the highly suspicious 97% vote in Crimea with Russian troops everywhere).  It very well may be that east and west Ukraine are incompatible and cannot function as a single country.  Or perhaps they can have a government where all are represented. 

What doesn't work is a decade of horrific corruption where all sides are guilty. 

[JayH]

in this scuffle Nazis burned alive 47 people. !!. And all of you divide people into pro-Russian and pro-Western. only wounded more than 200.

No-- not even close to the reality .
I have said it repeatedly--- until Putin's invasion there was not any great anti Russian belief in Ukraine. The fact is that the huge majotity want and wanted Ukraine to remain independent.Any anti- Russian concept has been promoted by Russia itself-- far in significence than it had in Ukraine.
Read the following--it is an account of what happened-- and credible.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/what-really-happened-in-odessa-a-step-by-step-reconstruction-of-a-tragedy-that-killed-46-people-video-346192.html

The Ruissian promoted idea that these are innocent Russians being attacked in Ukraine is simply a gross lie. While it may be that some innocents get sucked in to pro-Rus rallies-- the key elements are paid to create trouble( eg look at FSU involvements). Why--because Putin is intent on creating a situation where Russia can invade on the pre text of protecting Russians.
Any fair minded person can see this pattern repeatedly. Ask yourself why these so called Pro-Rus attack peacefull Pro-Ukraine rallies & why buildings are "captured"--generally something that can disrupt Ukraine in some way-- that fact highlights what is a co-ordinated plan to disrupt Ukraine.
Another link-detailing who some of pro-Rus crowd were--not exactly innocent Ukrainian pro-Rus people.
http://bessarabiainform.com/2014/05/druzya-izmailskoj-druzhiny-ubivali-odessitov-fotofakt/#ixzz30n56hK5Y

[lordtiberius]

Quite frankly I am sick of every Putinist who comes here and screams Fascist, Nazi, or Russophobe every time you disagree with the Kremlin King.


Anyone actually interested in Ukrainian Nazi's here is a brief & I think accurate explanation of their current shape:

[Shadow]

I am very comfortable calling all Putin supporters SCUM.

Say Hi to your friends.
http://odnoklassniki.ru/video/62575417704499-1

[Shadow]

Quite frankly I am sick of every Putinist who comes here and screams Fascist, Nazi, or Russophobe every time you disagree with the Kremlin King.


Anyone actually interested in Ukrainian Nazi's here is a brief & I think accurate explanation of their current shape:

BTW I am staying away purposely not to meet people like you.
Do not expect me back a lot, so you can spread your hate freely.

[lordtiberius]

Say Hi to your friends.
http://odnoklassniki.ru/video/62575417704499-1

So Banderists aren't allowed political expression?  The Nazis, Klan and Black Panthers are in America.  Live a little.  Tolerate.  Don't hate.

BTW I am staying away purposely not to meet people like you.
Do not expect me back a lot, so you can spread your hate freely.

A state of War exists in Ukraine.  If you have any solutions that would lead to a long lasting peace, I am all ears.

[Muzh]

in this scuffle Nazis burned alive 47 people. !!. And all of you divide people into pro-Russian and pro-Western. only wounded more than 200.

You mean these Nazis?





or this sweetheart?


More Nazis


Which Nazis are you referring to? The ones that invade countries?

[Shadow]

So Banderists aren't allowed political expression?  The Nazis, Klan and Black Panthers are in America.  Live a little.  Tolerate.  Don't hate.

A state of War exists in Ukraine.  If you have any solutions that would lead to a long lasting peace, I am all ears.

Stop hating Russians. That would solve it all.