The Russian Invasion of Ukraine-The Real Nazis

[GQBlues]

No idea where they fired at, to be honest.  All I read was the military took out two mortar detachments but didn't say where they were. 


My gut reaction is this doesn't make sense.  To me, it seemed the military was being cautious when it came to civilians which was why they were having a hard time fighting the separatist.  Maybe something went wrong but I find it hard to believe they would fire into a public park.

FWIW and without jumping into any conclusion, here's a bit of news about these air strikes..

"...But Ukrainian authorities denied carrying out an air strike on the buildings, saying the blast was likely caused by a misdirected surface-to-air rocket fired by the insurgent side.

However, a report released on June 3 by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) special monitoring mission (SMM) to Ukraine said that the explosion was likely caused by air strikes.

"On 2 June, shortly after 15:00 [hours], rockets hit the occupied regional administration building. Based on the SMM’s limited observation these strikes were the result of non-guided rockets shot from an aircraft. The number of casualties is unknown," reads the OSCE report......"


http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/heavy-fighting-in-eastern-ukraine-as-government-restarts-active-phase-of-anti-terror-operation-350453.html


The air strikes/confrontations have apparently claimed 181 lives and injured 239 thus far....if this report holds true, that the blast was actually caused by air strikes, doesn't that just make cc3's dramatics even more hysterical?

[GQBlues]

haha  Hey man, give the guy a break, anything that gets his old blood flowing, at his age, has got to be a good thing.

I can't, for the life of me, visualize someone supposedly so angry and concerned but the instant reaction is to get online, login on RWD message board to post, LOL. It's like as though everyone should be impressed.

Heck, if you're that worried, bite the bullet and spend whatever pension you have left and make yourself useful and remove your loved ones out of a hostile zone and unto a safe region, instead of posting on message boards (as in *more than one*). At least until the regime change completes its course.

I'm sure somewhere out in virtual world, a *ThaiWomenDiscussion (TWD)* message board also contain a multitude of pensioned babyboomers huffing and puffing about their crisis, LOL.

[LiveFromUkraine]

FWIW and without jumping into any conclusion, here's a bit of news about these air strikes..

"...But Ukrainian authorities denied carrying out an air strike on the buildings, saying the blast was likely caused by a misdirected surface-to-air rocket fired by the insurgent side.

However, a report released on June 3 by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) special monitoring mission (SMM) to Ukraine said that the explosion was likely caused by air strikes.

"On 2 June, shortly after 15:00 [hours], rockets hit the occupied regional administration building. Based on the SMM’s limited observation these strikes were the result of non-guided rockets shot from an aircraft. The number of casualties is unknown," reads the OSCE report......"


http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/heavy-fighting-in-eastern-ukraine-as-government-restarts-active-phase-of-anti-terror-operation-350453.html


The air strikes/confrontations have apparently claimed 181 lives and injured 239 thus far....if this report holds true, that the blast was actually caused by air strikes, doesn't that just make cc3's dramatics even more hysterical?

Damn, Kiev has some explaining to do.  Funny how everyone was up in arms ready to lynch Yanukovych over the sniper attacks (which he was innocent) and now you got these types of incidents happening. 


I think cc3 was just confused and forgot his fiancee is in Kiev.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I can't, for the life of me, visualize someone supposedly so angry and concerned but the instant reaction is to get online, login on RWD message board to post, LOL. It's like as though everyone should be impressed.

Heck, if you're that worried, bite the bullet and spend whatever pension you have left and make yourself useful and remove your loved ones out of a hostile zone and unto a safe region, instead of posting on message boards (as in *more than one*). At least until the regime change completes its course.

A lot of these guys can only speak to their fiances/wives through google translation.  Where else are they going to go? 

I'm sure somewhere out in virtual world, a *ThaiWomenDiscussion (TWD)* message board also contain a multitude of pensioned babyboomers huffing and puffing about their crisis, LOL.

The US didn't sanction that coup so they pulled the million + in funding to the Thai military.  You can't make this stuff up!  haha

[GQBlues]

....The US didn't sanction that coup so they pulled the million + in funding to the Thai military.  You can't make this stuff up!  haha

Oh I dunno 'bout that, Live...

I think the New American order is to finance all revolution in all of the MOB regions for regime changes. I think they're trying to establish pastures for most of our pensioners so the mainland didn't have to deal with their annoying rants...

[sleepycat]

I'm sure somewhere out in virtual world, a *ThaiWomenDiscussion (TWD)* message board also contain a multitude of pensioned babyboomers huffing and puffing about their crisis, LOL.

Probably a fair few middle-aged westerners huffing and puffing about that crisis on "ThaiLadyboysDiscussion (TLD)" as well.

[GQBlues]

Probably a fair few middle-aged westerners huffing and puffing about that crisis on "ThaiLadyboysDiscussion (TLD)" as well.

Doubt it. They likely got it made in the shade somewhere in paradise...

I do however believe some loser is still in places like Kharkov for instance, giving away money and cell phones in exchange for attention from women....and hoping, and hoping, and hoping.....these women will look past their obvious MOBer presence.

Got laid yet?

 

[sleepycat]

Got laid yet?

 

What's with the interest in other people's bedroom activities? Not getting any at home?

[GQBlues]

What's with the interest in other people's bedroom activities? Not getting any at home?

 

Bedroom activities? You couldn't even get any of these women to look at you after the free meals! LOL.

....Last Friday I went back to Kharkov for a WOVO trip to see a woman that I previously meet during my last trip in September. After being taken to an apartment arranged by her, woman then left saying she had to go to work for a few hours on Saturday morning and will be back to see me after work. Around noon on Saturday I got a text from her saying that she got held up at work and will come later. The woman then dropped off the radar completely for the next 24 hours, not answering on Skype nor texting. By mid Sunday morning I was really starting to worry after being left there alone for more than a day,...

But I really liked this part the best....LOL!

...1) There was a period of about 3 weeks where she was totally uncontactable via phone calls 24/7. When I finally managed to get through to her via phone later on, her explanation was her phone was broken and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work. Probably during that time she was with another guy fleecing him so too busy to answer my calls. Stupidly I said I will buy her a new phone when I return this trip. She suggested that I buy a phone in Australia and bring it over. I know because Australian phones won't work in FSU even after changing the sim card, I said I will buy her the phone when I am back in Ukraine....

What a classic MOBer!

[Gator]

Whether one is pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian should not matter when viewing such tragic carnage.  Both sides should recognize that armed conflict invariably kills civilians.  There will be more and more civilian deaths until truce is reached.     

[Gator]

It doesn't look like the explosion was caused by the air strike but by someone on the ground.   More than likely someone trying to shoot down the plane.

I don't think this is the result of anything fired from the ground.    The video containing these still photos shows a sequence of plumes suggesting 4 separate explosions.  The first at the street, the next at the building, and another  two moving right into the park away from the building.

I do not know what it is.  Too impactful to be RPGs, nor is it a cluster bomb (there would be many bomblets). 

[Gator]

RPG have entrails when fired.

No, entrails are what we saw in Belvis's gruesome video of slaughtered civilians. 

Perhaps you meant condensation trails otherwise known as contrails.  However, RPGs leave a trail of smoke from the rocket motor burning.   

You are correct, there were no such trails to suggest a RPG.

[GQBlues]

This is a much closer view of the blasts.

Look at the right side of the video roughly where the the alleged the surface-air rockets was supposed to be fired from on the other sites. The *spark* that LFU posted claiming this was the separatists actions.

If you notice the blast pattern, it resembles more what Belvis described it to be. It was a multiple bomblets blasts that went from the right to the left of the screen.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-03/osce-confirms-ukraine-plane-fired-rockets-hit-lugansk-building

This whole stupidity goes in line with Kiev sniper attack denial.

[LiveFromUkraine]

This is a much closer view of the blasts.

Look at the right side of the video roughly where the the alleged the surface-air rockets was supposed to be fired from on the other sites. The *spark* that LFU posted claiming this was the separatists actions.

If you notice the blast pattern, it resembles more what Belvis described it to be. It was a multiple bomblets blasts that went from the right to the left of the screen.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-03/osce-confirms-ukraine-plane-fired-rockets-hit-lugansk-building

This whole stupidity goes in line with Kiev sniper attack denial.

Yep, that definitely looks like the explosions started back within the park and worked it's way across the road.   Just to be clear, my claim was more of an unsubstantiated guess.   


It doesn't matter, it's still Putin's fault.  hah

[southernX]

you know one thing that struck me as odd in belvises video link ?

what kind of person makes a video of that womans agony [lady in red blouse ] as she raises her head & then lays back down again without stopping and offering some help to her ?

of course she is dying , but it is so cold and inhumane to do that imo

was the video oppurtunistic or a set up with  prior knowledge of  the attack to maximise the event ?

SX 

[GQBlues]

...It doesn't matter, it's still Putin's fault.  hah

LOL. Yup, he can fire RPGs in rapid succession. Better than Rambo hands down. 

...was the video oppurtunistic or a set up with  prior knowledge of  the attack to maximise the event ?...

  They just keep flowing down, doesn't it?

[JayH]

Dramatics, you a$$? It's not your woman being a pedestrian on the sidewalks of Luhansk, just trying to get to her next English tutoring appointment without getting shot.

CC --there are many on forum who do understand and respect your situation-- the forum fools here seem to think it amusing to see the anguish you( and others) are feeling.Really--those fools are intent on showing how ridiculous and ignorant they are generally--let alone devoid of human decency .If you note--their persistent theme is to insult to draw response-- and divert every thread to being about them(yawn).Ignore them.

Todays news from Lugansk is not good at all--fierce battle ongoing now.
Up thread I posted links of how the terrorist pipeline is being fed-- it will not be as quick or simple to dislodge these terrorists who are using the civilian population as a shield in the eastern cities.
My view is that a mass evacuation of  civilians will be the only way to dislodge these invaders-- as the battle will increase in intensity.
Important to leave asap in my strongest urging.Many further west are offering to billet people from eastern cities-- the social networks are active in promoting offers.

[BillyB]

As far as I can see the bloody separation in minds has been done, so what are you going to do as the president of Ukraine? Kill  them all  is not a feasible option.

I'd do what the current Ukrainian president is doing. Kill the foreigners and keep the country safe. East Ukrainians aren't rioting and picking up arms to start a civil war as Putin hoped for. That is why Putin is sending in irregular army personnel instead.

This is a much closer view of the blasts.

Look at the right side of the video roughly where the the alleged the surface-air rockets was supposed to be fired from on the other sites. The *spark* that LFU posted claiming this was the separatists actions.

If you notice the blast pattern, it resembles more what Belvis described it to be. It was a multiple bomblets blasts that went from the right to the left of the screen.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-03/osce-confirms-ukraine-plane-fired-rockets-hit-lugansk-building

This whole stupidity goes in line with Kiev sniper attack denial.

Your video with LivefromUkraines photos clearly show the rockets were fired at ground level, traveled through the trees and exploded in the distance. One landed in the road short of it's target probably because it hit some limbs. Just look at the right of your video where multiple missiles took off and the trajectory of the rockets. If missiles were shot from a plane, they would enter the ground on a diagonal trajectory and explode on impact. They would not travel a few feet above the ground and explode half a block or more down the road as rpgs could.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I sure hope JayH doesn't start a petition and have some of us kicked out of the USA.  How will I ever sleep at night knowing my fate is just a click away?

[BillyB]

Whether one is pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian should not matter when viewing such tragic carnage.  Both sides should recognize that armed conflict invariably kills civilians. 

Both sides do recognize there will be civilian deaths. One side knows civilian deaths will be to their advantage. That is why they conduct their business among civilians instead of facing their enemy out in the open. If the Ukrainian army continues to succeed, you will see those militants retreat out of government buildings into churches, hospitals, and schools. They will continue to use the civilian population as a human shield.

[Anotherkiwi]

Oh the drama! Give the man an Oscar!!!

*Your* woman wasn't anywhere close to where the blast took place so quit huffing and puffing. It ain't WW II anymore pops. Germany surrendered a long time ago, LOL. Time to go home pops. The *war* is over.

How the hell would you know?  You take an awful lot upon yourself when you make assumptions about everything under the sun.  I'm getting really sick of you belittling just about everybody on this forum, simply because you consider yourself so bloody superior to "the average MOBer."  As has been posted in the past by various people, you don't have a dog in this hunt (nor do I, which is why I'm not commenting on this particular item).  The lady in question is living in what is fast becoming a war zone, so her fiance is right to be concerned.
 
Just as an aside, cc3 is only ten years older than you, and the age difference between him and his fiancee is pretty the much the same as between you and your wife, so where do you get off making all these stupid cracks about World War II and "pops?"

[BillyB]

  I'm getting really sick of you belittling just about everybody on this forum,

Hard to get along with GQ on the forum? Just think how hard it would be to deal with him in real life. Just be glad you're not the one that has to live with him.

[sleepycat]

Just think how hard it would be to deal with him in real life.

Probably no one in real life is willing to, hence the dude resorts to posting here to get at least some kind of interaction.
Have you noticed how ridiculously easy it is to bait him into posting an angry reply?

[GQBlues]

How the hell would you know?  You take an awful lot upon yourself when you make assumptions about everything under the sun.  I'm getting really sick of you belittling just about everybody on this forum, simply because you consider yourself so bloody superior to "the average MOBer."  As has been posted in the past by various people, you don't have a dog in this hunt (nor do I, which is why I'm not commenting on this particular item).  The lady in question is living in what is fast becoming a war zone, so her fiance is right to be concerned....

From your vantage point, I can understand why you feel so belittled. Yah just gonna have to deal with this, yes? 

First off, cc3 was supposed to be in the military. LOL. Pretty silly to be displaying some zany knee jerk reactions during a crisis, no? If this jerk was in the military, then that helps explain why we've been in such a mess lately.

He damned the entire nation fed only by a silly website BEFORE embarking on an objective assessment of the murderous rampage against its innocent citizens by this illegitimate government with it's newly-elected *president*, and then *deny* doing it. What a show of progress, don't you think?

Secondly, and obviously you missed this bit Kiwi, if anyone is so concerned for the welfare of their loved ones, quit bitching that the world isn't shaped in the manner you'd like for it to be and get them the hell out of harm's way instead of ranting on message boards (plural) about how unfair reality can be sometimes. That's pretty elementary, don't you think?

So get over it, and yourself...
 

....Just as an aside, cc3 is only ten years older than you, and the age difference between him and his fiancee is pretty the much the same as between you and your wife, so where do you get off making all these stupid cracks about World War II and "pops?"...

You kidding me? The dude's an old fart. He already posted his pic. So go BS Sleepycat. He's probably alone in his Kharkov apartment again. What's up with you down-under dudes spending wads of monies and years trying to get laid under the cover of wife-hunting?

Hard to get along with GQ on the forum? Just think how hard it would be to deal with him in real life. Just be glad you're not the one that has to live with him.

Spoken by a guy who willingly solicit assistance from people he doesn't know in the internet as character witness and lie to someone he professes to *love*... 

Man...LFU is damned right...So much drama with you boys...I can't even believe you guys are actually looking for anyone to share your silly lives with, LOL.

MOBers...

[GQBlues]

Probably no one in real life is willing to, hence the dude resorts to posting here to get at least some kind of interaction.
Have you noticed how ridiculously easy it is to bait him into posting an angry reply?

You shouldn't be talking about AnotherKiwi like that...LOL.

How's the dating free meals so far? Did you bring enough cell phones and money?  What's the exchange rate on these for you these days? One hour conversation through an interpreter?