The Russian Invasion of Ukraine-The Real Nazis

[LAman]

What's the name of your puppy?   

Not a puppy anymore....fully grown and 'developed' but.......she was sitting on my lap!!!

[BillyB]

Billy here you go.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/world/europe/ukraine-luhansk-building-attack/


Now, I wonder how Putin could stage that. 

HA!!! You silly rabbit! After believing media articles from the Western propaganda machine, you should have your head examined! Everything you said on the forum should be dismissed and I wouldn't get involved with your type of women. Your tastes aren't good enough for me since you're a classic MOB'er.  I love this place! Great entertainment! 


Was that productive debating or what?


Actually I value what the CNN military expert said in the article. His assessment and report was made within a day of the attacks. I still have questions. Why didn't this military expert report seeing unexploded shells or even the shell fragment clearly showing writing of S8KOM which is ordinance the Ukrainian air force uses? Why are the Russian media and militia finding more evidence than the western media and their military experts? Shrapnel can travel many meters and can splinter tree limbs up in the air. Need more evidence like photos of the unexploded shells that RT and the militia reported they found. As hard as Russia is running with this story, one would think the evidence of unexploded shells found soon after the attack is crucial. One can clearly identify an unexploded shell with it's delivery system.


I'm going to make you laugh your ass off again by presenting you with a Yahoo news article. Says there are separatists operating on church grounds. You can be sure more innocents are going to be killed based on their choice of battlegrounds.


http://news.yahoo.com/separatists-eastern-ukraine-attack-border-post-081824997.html

[LiveFromUkraine]

Was that productive debating or what?

I have to say it's an improvement Billy.  Much better than "Uh, hey, like, if I was in your town, would you, like, I don't know,  get coffee or something with me?"


or


"You obviously don't know anything about women, just yesterday I was telling my mother in law how I make love to my wife and she said da, dat tis good BoobyB."

Actually I value what the CNN military expert said in the article. His assessment and report was made within a day of the attacks. I still have questions. Why didn't this military expert report seeing unexploded shells or even the shell fragment clearly showing writing of S8KOM which is ordinance the Ukrainian air force uses? Why are the Russian media and militia finding more evidence than the western media and their military experts? Shrapnel can travel many meters and can splinter tree limbs up in the air. Need more evidence like photos of the unexploded shells that RT and the militia reported they found. As hard as Russia is running with this story, one would think the evidence of unexploded shells found soon after the attack is crucial. One can clearly identify an unexploded shell with it's delivery system.

You should also be asking why Kiev lied if this did happen and it looks like it did.

I'm going to make you laugh your ass off again by presenting you with a Yahoo news article. Says there are separatists operating on church grounds. You can be sure more innocents are going to be killed based on their choice of battlegrounds.


http://news.yahoo.com/separatists-eastern-ukraine-attack-border-post-081824997.html

No doubt there will be more.  That is why Kiev needs to try and reduce casualties by communicating with the residents more.  If you're going to start bombing public areas, they should at least try to get out as many innocents as possible.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Not a puppy anymore....fully grown and 'developed' but.......she was sitting on my lap!!!

LAman, it looks like the only way to settle this is a good ole fashioned beauty pageant between you and GQ.  The judges will need to be gathered from somewhere else since GQ is unpopular here.  haha

[Maxx2]

Maxx, you shouldn't call Billy a gorilla.  Just post these instead.   

Or this and shame our resident gorilla.





PUNTINCIZE!

[Chelseaboy]

Putin has ordered the security services to strengthen the border with Ukraine.

Is that to stop the pro-Russian militants entering into Ukraine from Russia ?

Or has he heard that Ukraine people are now planning tit for tat actions in Russia ?

[Chelseaboy]

The US state department says Russia has sent Tanks and Rocket launchers to  seperatists in Ukraine.

William Hague,the  UK foreign secretary, has said "The entry into the  sovereign territory of Ukraine of three Russian tanks is completely unacceptable "

But of course certain pro-Russian sympathisers on here claim it's the west that is interfering in Ukraine.

[The Natural]

The US state department says Russia has sent Tanks and Rocket launchers to  seperatists in Ukraine.

William Hague,the  UK foreign secretary, has said "The entry into the  sovereign territory of Ukraine of three Russian tanks is completely unacceptable "

But of course certain pro-Russian sympathisers on here claim it's the west that is interfering in Ukraine.

Yeah, coming from the country that invented 1984, anything Your secretary this or that say, just muuuuust be true....

Besides, whatever anyone in Great Britain may say, I say... you lost the world dominance 100 years ago and what you've left With now is being a sidekick of the New empire. William Hague.... hahahahahaha. Best if you stick to the royal Family, make Beefeater gin and maintain whats left over after a great culture. Modern Brittain is a pathetic sick joke.

[GQBlues]

The US state department says Russia has sent Tanks and Rocket launchers to seperatists in Ukraine.

William Hague,the  UK foreign secretary, has said "The entry into the  sovereign territory of Ukraine of three Russian tanks is completely unacceptable "

But of course certain pro-Russian sympathisers on here claim it's the west that is interfering in Ukraine.

 

...and what exactly did Mr. Hague do after that rant? My guess is between 'zip & nada', right?

Ukrainians didn't want anything to do with NATO, so they're getting from the west exactly what they wanted in terms of military assistance - zip and nada. Besides, it never was Ukrainians the 'west' were interested in from the very beginning of this silly event. This was never a *humanitarian* matter. It was always what was underneath Ukraine - $$$$.

Why do you think little regard was given for that faux pas sniper attack in Kiev when that plan was conveniently executed? Kill a few Ukrainians and wait until the dust settle itself out - then cash in on the loot. By that time, more than a few Ukrainians will die for it and neither your country or mine, nor Germany or France could really give a hoot? LOL. Ukraine will likely have better compassion from China, but even that is debatable. This silliness had been happening since the demise of the League of Nations and the creation of the UN. Ukraine was the sacrificial pawn in this entire charade. Folks like you was gooberish enough to swallow what your media fed you.

Read this Kiev report and stop your dramatics and emotional drooling and face reality.

...The United Kingdom continues its game of talking tough and doing nothing to upset the London financial system of laundering dirty money from Russian oligarchs and other criminals. It is left to Prince Charles to call out Putin’s Hitler-esque behavior....

Ukraine is today's Rwanda!

With Asaad's re-election in Syria, the PO'd Saudis had retaliated in Iraq for Obama's ineptness and failed promise. The Sunni's resurgence will definitely affect the oil market and automatically give Russia added economic boost and switch the crisis to oil instead of gas.

[Chelseaboy]

The Natural,

Coming from the mighty Norway,and spoken like a true pro-Russian sympathiser,which we all know you are.

[JayH]

Russian propaganda machine 'worse than Soviet Union'

Russian media is reminiscent of the propaganda produced in the Soviet Union.

Moscow was in the midst of a heat wave when I arrived. The heady scent of lilac on the long warm evenings brought people out on to the streets.

One night on the embankment of the Moskva River, a drunken band of students tried to engage me in conversation, and then staggered off down the street.

There is always a slightly celebratory air at this time of year - a realisation that winter is over and a few precious months of sun are here.

But this year's euphoria is underpinned by a sense of having proved to the world that Russians can come out on top. A surge of self-confidence, after the humiliations of post-Soviet collapse.

"We're on a roll," one Russian TV editor in chief tells me. "No-one can stop us now."

"First the Sochi Olympics, then we got Crimea back," says another man who I meet on Red Square. "And now we've won the World Ice Hockey championships as well."
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27713847

[Chelseaboy]

GQBlues,

             Unlike you I am facing reality...despite all your posturing and attempts at deflections,the fact remains Russia is sending arms and men to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians.

Now you can deal with that thought in your own little world in anyway you wish.

[The Natural]

The Natural,

Coming from the mighty Norway,and spoken like a true pro-Russian sympathiser,which we all know you are.

Mighty Norway... hell no, and I never wish that upon my country because it leads to grand thoughts and misery. What I wish for is a country that minds it's own business, have good relations With everybody else and not send F-16's on bombing raids over other countries that never did anything to us (like we did With Libya).

Yes, you're right that I sympathise With Russia in all this. Simply because it's right and I'm sick of the western hipocracy and war- mongering that might very well bring us the final war which every sane person realize will be the end of us all, except the crazies in Washington and their minions in Europe.

[lordtiberius]

Why is GQBlues on this forum?

[Chelseaboy]

The Natural,

                 So there are no crazies in Moscow ?

I beg to differ.

[JayH]

Russia admits that its troops are fighting Ukraine

Russia admits that its troops are fighting Ukraine , but from time to time in social networks get pictures of Russian paratroopers taking part in anti-Ukrainian campaign. "Cargo 200" now comes regularly to the white stone. TSN correspondent visited the town in the Moscow region, where they buried one of those who fought in Ukraine, according to a story TSN. 19:30 . Residents of the city Elektrogorsk Sergey Zhdanovicha buried last weekend after the family received the body transported from Donetsk to Rostov, and in the Moscow region town.  Sergei died in Donetsk airport in the battle for the airport. The news of his death quickly spread through the small town.
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/svit/rodicham-zagiblih-na-donbasi-rosiyskih-naymanciv-zaboronili-kazati-pro-yihni-podvigi-354524.html

http://tsn.ua/svit/rodicham-zagiblih-na-donbasi-rosiyskih-naymanciv-zaboronili-kazati-pro-yihni-podvigi-354524.html

Three of the death toll in the Donbas Russians living in the Moscow  suburbs.

In Moscow secretly and without public disclosure buried Russians who died as a result of fighting in Donetsk. According to the users of social networks, three from among those killed in the Donbas Russians living in the suburbs. "In the spring, all three somehow trapped in a neighboring country, where they fought in the ranks of the anti-government forces were killed in late May during the fighting in Donetsk" - wrote the first deputy holovreda "Echo of Moscow" Vladimir Varfolomyeyev on his page on Facebook.
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/svit/u-pidmoskov-yi-tayemno-pohovali-rosiyan-zagiblih-na-donbasi-353663.html
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/svit/u-pidmoskov-yi-tayemno-pohovali-rosiyan-zagiblih-na-donbasi-353663.html

Most experts have already dubbed this a test ride as military invasion.
Russian tanks that crossed the uncontrolled borders in the East already in Donetsk. Several cars and smashed Ukrainian military convoy. However, experts worry cause scale use against Ukraine military equipment, according to a story TSN. 19:30 .  Unexpected visit the most popular Soviet T-72 tank, done hype Donbas not only the local population but also among the military generals. Most experts have already dubbed this a test ride - both military invasion.  Russian tanks are riding Donetsk   "In Ukraine there are no armed tanks T-72, the majority of experts and I am inclined, these tanks have come across the border with Russia", - said military analyst Valentin Badra
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/viyskovi-eksperti-vikrili-vrazlivi-miscya-rosiyskih-tankiv-yaki-teroristi-prignali-na-donbas-354521.html
Більше читайте тут: http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/viyskovi-eksperti-vikrili-vrazlivi-miscya-rosiyskih-tankiv-yaki-teroristi-prignali-na-donbas-354521.html

[JayH]

My apologies--I lifted this--it is significant work.
Andrei Illarionov, NATO Parliamentary Assembly, Vilnius, May 31st, 2014

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 Andrei Illarionov, who was the chief economic adviser of Putin.
Illarionov also served as the president?s personal representative (sherpa) in the G-8  (G-7now, in fact).
He is one of Russia?s most brilliant advocates of an open society and democratic capitalism.
 Illarionov received his Ph.D. from St. Petersburg University in 1987.
Now he is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute?s Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity.

It doesn't mean I listen to all what he says without analizing it, and without any doubt that this is the highest truth; yet most of his comments and also political and economical predictions, seems quite reasonable and trustworthy- and most interesting.
http://aillarionov.livejournal.com/


"First point. You may hear statements that this is ?the Ukrainian crisis? or that this is ?the crisis in Ukraine?. It is incorrect. It is neither ?the crisis in Ukraine?, nor ?the Ukrainian crisis?. This is not an internal affair of Ukraine. This is a war. This is the Russian-Ukrainian war. To be correct, this is the Mr Putin?s war against Ukraine. And this war is only an introductory chapter of a much larger event which can be and actually already has been called ?War?, ?World War?, ?the Fourth World War?. I?ll try to elaborate this later. It is not my choice of picking this particular term. It is the term that is being used by the Kremlin propaganda machine ? the Fourth World War being waged now by Russia against the rest of the world."
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=17681.msg369038#msg369038

For those that seem to think that black is white if they say so--- it is past time you looked at what is being said by a guy whose qualification to speak on the topic is of the highest order-- not some argumentative fool like too many on the forum.

[Chelseaboy]

Pro-Russian seperatists shoot down a transport aircraft near Luhansk,killing 40  Ukrainian Paratroopers and 9 Air Force personnel on board.

A powerful explosive device has been found near the office of the Ukrainian President and has been destroyed.

The Pro-Russian fanboys/fangirls on here will no doubt try and deflect these incidents and blame the West....fools

[tfcrew]

more...


Residents look over destroyed vehicles at the site of fighting in the eastern Ukrainian port city of Mariupol on June 13. Ukrainian forces reclaimed the city from pro-Russian separatists in heavy fighting Friday.

KIEV, Ukraine — In the biggest single loss of life since Ukraine started battling pro-Russian separatists, rebels shot down a military transport plane early Saturday morning as it was landing in Luhansk, killing all 49 people aboard.
Rebels using an anti-aircraft weapon and large-caliber machine gun downed the Ilyushin-76, according to a statement by the Defense Ministry. The statement said the aircraft, which was carrying equipment and food as well as military personnel who were being flown in as part of a routine rotation, was approaching the city airport in Luhansk, a separatist stronghold. While the rebels control most of the city, the army has control of the airport.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pro-russian-rebels-shoot-down-large-ukrainian-transport-plane-killing-dozens/2014/06/14/67e673e2-f391-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html

[JayH]

Another link

http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/06/14/world-war-vi-statement-made-by-a-illarionov-at-the-nato-parliamentary-assembly/#more-11993


it is MUST READ.

Putin’s goal? To make Russians and Ukrainians Kill Each Other
Putin’s goal? To make russians and ukrainians kill each other. He is in dire need of a big, big pile of dead bodies.
http://euromaidanpr.com/2014/03/05/putins-goal-to-make-russians-and-ukrainians-kill-each-other/

[Dewed]

Just a friendly reminder. The people posting here are people, not governments, and to my knowledge have no direct input into government actions. No need for hostilities, it's just a waste of time and will have absolutely no impact on anything except your blood pressure.

[AkMike]

Yes, you're right that I sympathise With Russia in all this. Simply because it's right and I'm sick of the western hipocracy and war- mongering that might very well bring us the final war which every sane person realize will be the end of us all, except the crazies in Washington and their minions in Europe.

 So is the western war mongering worse that the Russian war mongering.

 Are the Washington crazies worse than the Russian crazies that you admire?

[The Natural]

So is the western war mongering worse that the Russian war mongering.

 Are the Washington crazies worse than the Russian crazies that you admire?

In this case yes, because they're meddling in Russia's backyard. Besides, how many Russian troops are deployed outside Russia? The US have deployments in 130 countries, much more than half the world.

[BillyB]

In this case yes, because they're meddling in Russia's backyard.

America learned how to do that from Russia. From the spread of communism all the way to Cuba, America took steps to reverse the process. Putin should not be crying about other nations getting involved in other nations affairs. They are the worst violators.

how many Russian troops are deployed outside Russia? The US have deployments in 130 countries, much more than half the world.

Russian troops are occupying Georgia and Ukraine in a hostile manner. They are in Moldova and encouraging citizens there to break up the country. Russian troops are in a few other FSU nations. They were invited in those nations but ask Ukraine how that worked out for them.


I can't verify America has deployments in 130 countries but in most countries, they have been invited in. Most recently, in Poland, the Baltics nations and the Philippines. This would not have happened if it weren't for China and Russia having goals of conquest. Based on America's latest moves, I don't see any nation inviting Russian and Chinese troops onto their land. One can claim America entered Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan aggressively but the majority of people living there wanted that and America doesn't have the intent of owning their land as Russia wants to do in Ukraine. If the people in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, were motivated, they could be as successful as West Germany and Japan within a few decades after war and regime change. Name one country Russia has influenced that benefited their people and are a success economically?

[tfcrew]

In this case yes, because they're meddling in Russia's backyard. Besides, how many Russian troops are deployed outside Russia? The US have deployments in 130 countries, much more than half the world.

Come on 'meddling'?
Actually, over 150 countries. At the behest of their respective governments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

deployed in more than 150 countries around the world, with approximately 160,000 of its active-duty personnel serving outside the United States and its territories and an additional 117,000 deployed in various contingency operations. US troops are spread across the globe...

I am not aware of any US troops deployed in Ukraine or Russia.