The Russian Invasion of Ukraine-The Real Nazis

[GQBlues]

In this case yes, because they're meddling in Russia's backyard. Besides, how many Russian troops are deployed outside Russia? The US have deployments in 130 countries, much more than half the world.

Aw Lawrdie! You've really done it this time. 

Too much logic for this thread and all you've really accomplished is incite folks to counter and post western media articles, complete with *bold titling* and a *must read* remark at the bottom. If that isn't enough, it'll also be countered with information from sites like UkraineInvestigation.com citing it'll *explain everything*.

[BillyB]

Come on 'meddling'?
Actually, over 150 countries. At the behest of their respective governments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

Aw Lawrdie! You've really done it this time. 

Too much logic for this thread and all you've really accomplished is incite folks to counter and post eastern media articles, complete with *bold titling* and a *must read* remark at the bottom. If that isn't enough, it'll also be countered with information from sites like Russiantelevision.com citing it'll *explain everything*.


Damn I'm smart! Productive debating at it's best.

[AkMike]

I am not aware of any US troops deployed in Ukraine or Russia.

 Actually they have send a small batch of advisors to USA this week to help train the UA forces.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Aw Lawrdie! You've really done it this time. 

Too much logic for this thread and all you've really accomplished is incite folks to counter and post eastern media articles, complete with *bold titling* and a *must read* remark at the bottom. If that isn't enough, it'll also be countered with information from sites like Russiantelevision.com citing it'll *explain everything*.


Damn I'm smart! Productive debating at it's best.

What is funny is the more you mimic others the more intelligent you sound.  I find it much better than your usual boring stories that are disguised as some special ed learning lesson.

[AC]

[Anotherkiwi]

...I am not aware of any US troops deployed in Ukraine or Russia.

I would agree in general terms, but I'm sure that there are military personnel attached to the respective embassies in Kyiv and Moscow.

[BillyB]

What is funny is the more you mimic others the more intelligent you sound.

Only GQ fans could find my mimicking him intelligent. You guys are real MOB'ers. Just posting in your guy's style makes me feel dirty but it's the only way to help you guys see yourself in the mirror. The first step to recovery and growing up is to admit you have a problem.

[GQBlues]

Only GQ fans could find my mimicking him intelligent. You guys are real MOB'ers. Just posting in your guy's style makes me feel dirty but it's the only way to help you guys see yourself in the mirror. The first step to recovery and growing up is to admit you have a problem.

 

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Here's an interesting website that explains things. I'm sure the truth will come out the Ukrainian armed forces didn't unleash those missiles at the government building.....

http://ukraineinvestigation.com/ukrainian-plane-attack-state-administration-luhansk/

Awww 'lil BillyB, I hope I didn't rattle you too much and I realize I was doing it solely at your expense, but to come here and present svodoba's website as your dependable source of information and expect anyone to find an ounce of credibility in anything you say, is downright laughable, man.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Just posting in your guy's style makes me feel dirty but it's the only way to help you guys see yourself in the mirror. The first step to recovery and growing up is to admit you have a problem.

Ha,  The whole "I'm going to do what I hate back at you to teach you a lesson" is classic passive aggressiveness.  It isn't the first time I've seen this type of behavior from you Billy and it's not healthy.


You certainly do think of yourself as some type of "teacher" which is just down right funny.  It does explain some of your life choices, though.

[BillyB]

It works! Posting dirty seems to get people worked up, including those who post dirty. Classic MOB'rs who have to put people down thinking it makes them look good. You guys should start a poll with you vs. some of your least favorite posters to find out who people feel is more likeable and intelligent. Truth will hurt but only after you learn the truth, you can begin grow and post intelligent like men instead of boys.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I almost forgot, it looks like Billy also suffers from "delusions of granduer".  Looking at him holding a sword pretending to be some kind of whatever and thinking he is some type of teacher it's painfully obvious.  No wonder some guys prefer inexperienced women in order to continue their delusions.


The dude is telling us we are little boys while he holds a little sword up in his picture. Dude, stop being so insecure and asking for popularity polls.  I already told you before, the more unpopular I am the happier I shall be.   Hilarious stuff, Billy. 

[BillyB]

I already told you before, the more unpopular I am the happier I shall be. 

MOB'ers say that. You go on pretending you're happy. When you guys debate like men, people will stop treating you like boys. Make sense? Don't get upset and get your panties all bunched up if from now on I debate you and GQ the way you guys debate others.

[GQBlues]

Debate?!? You're a clod in a box, Billyboy.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Debate?!? You're a clod in a box, Billyboy.

As I said, Delusions of Grandeur.  UkraineInvestigations is debating in his world.

[Dewed]

can we stick to the topic please

[The Natural]

can we stick to the topic please

Sure can do. The invasion of Ukraine (not Russian) is not that of the old times. This is an invasion to encircle Russia which along With China are the only real threats to US world hegenomy. It's aim, that started With Clinton who broke the promise Bush 1 did With Russia not to go into Russia's backyard With NATO, is to either scare Russia to silence and obedience or start the Third world war. Same With China which is now surrounded by US bases of which exist in 151 countries, a thousand bases in all. And still many ordinary Americans don't believe their country are an empire!

Ukraine is just a small piece in this play and will be looted by special interests, the monopoly men expect something back from their campaign contributions and Ukraine has great Agricultural and gas Resources and it's Public will be forever indebted to all the economic "aid" given to it's "Liberation".

I personally strongly dislike ANY country forcing it's will upon others. It would be no different if it were Russia or China in this position, but the reality is that none on Earth can oppose USA militarily as they don't have that kind of position. Now, every empire destruct itself and USA will be no different. I don't see it happening militarily or by terrorists but rather economically. Should a New empire after that emerge in my Lifetime (very unlikely) I should oppose it just as much.

[BillyB]

Bush 1

Speaking of Bush 1, it was his birthday a few days ago and Putin sent him a birthday present. Putin respects strength and Bush projected more strength than Obama. I don't think Putin will ever send Obama a birthday present.

many ordinary Americans don't believe their country are an empire!

I'm one of those Americans. Unlike in the past where an empire takes and occupies other nations by force, America is different simply because we're invited into nations to protect them instead of owning them. If a nation doesn't want us in their country anymore, they can say goodbye and we will leave.


The world was a more violent and scarier place in the past. When America falls, we will return to that.

[lordtiberius]

UkraineInvestigations is debating in his world.

What is your problem with UkraineInvestigations?

[lordtiberius]

What do you define as Nazi? 

[The Natural]

Speaking of Bush 1, it was his birthday a few days ago and Putin sent him a birthday present. Putin respects strength and Bush projected more strength than Obama. I don't think Putin will ever send Obama a birthday present.

Rather, Putin knows his history and Bush 1 showed constraint which later Presidents have lacked. Lying is not a show of strenght.

I'm one of those Americans. Unlike in the past where an empire takes and occupies other nations by force, America is different simply because we're invited into nations to protect them instead of owning them. If a nation doesn't want us in their country anymore, they can say goodbye and we will leave.

Then, if you're open for New information, you should check out Perkins "Confessions of an Economic hit man". That should Cure you of any grand notions of the US being there for other countries just to "help", free of charge and willing to go home afterwards. Hahahaha, I'm sorry, I can't contain my laughter 

[BillyB]

Then, if you're open for New information, you should check out Perkins "Confessions of an Economic hit man". That should Cure you of any grand notions of the US being there for other countries just to "help", free of charge and willing to go home afterwards. Hahahaha, I'm sorry, I can't contain my laughter 

If you're open to old information, you should read some of my posts throughout these debates. I clearly stated one reason America grew in strength is because we helped nations in trouble, particularly in WW1 and WW2, and when we supply security for nations in modern times, we should benefit from it economically. Why do you feel that's actions of an evil empire? If you think America is obligated to do this for free, you're going to make me laugh.

[The Natural]

If you're open to old information, you should read some of my posts throughout these debates. I clearly stated one reason America grew in strength is because we helped nations in trouble, particularly in WW1 and WW2, and when we supply security for nations in modern times, we should benefit from it economically. Why do you feel that's actions of an evil empire? If you think America is obligated to do this for free, you're going to make me laugh.

WW1, you should read the book "Empire of Debt" in which it was stated that this was the entry point of the American empire and because the US joined this pointless war, it prolonged it With it's needless suffering. WW2, yes, great that the US helped us from the Nazis but before that many US Companies did great business With the Nazis and underwrote the importance of the Soviet's role. It was Russian forces that came in from the North in my own country of Norway and drove the Nazis South, for example. Many in America didn't want to join and rather welcomed the Third Reich. Rooseveldt felt otherwise and I'm pretty sure he's not a popular President among the RWD Republican crowd who hate Russia and Putin With all their hearts.
Contrary to popular western belief however, of Russian double-dealings and empire wishes, they did as was agreed, they withdrew when the enemy was defeated. But still, we're supposed to see them as soooooo Dangerous?

Security from what, exactly? What are you talking about here? Look at the polls around the world, when they ask who is the biggest threat to world Peace and the majority answer USA. Just face it, USA has the biggest guns and it's alleys in Europe does it's bidding out of fear. It's quite simple really and no need to laugh out of ignorance.

PS. and in the short while for you to answer this you didn't watch the linked video. I should think it more valuable to watch an interview With a former member of the intelligence apparatus than old post from you Billy.

[BillyB]

many US Companies did great business With the Nazis

Are these businesses supposed to predict the future and refuse business with the Nazis? I own a business so am I supposed to refuse business to someone or a group just because I suspect they will kill somebody?

underwrote the importance of the Soviet's role.

I think Stalin did a good job doing that himself. First he joined Hitler to make the war worse than it was supposed to be and then needed America's help with supplies and weapons to counter Hitler. For those who do not know, just a few years ago, Putin made the last payment to America to finally pay off Russia's WW2 debt.

Look at the polls around the world, when they ask who is the biggest threat to world Peace and the majority answer USA. Just face it, USA has the biggest guns and it's alleys in Europe does it's bidding out of fear. It's quite simple really and no need to laugh out of ignorance.

Ask? Actions are stronger than words and most nations(your statistics) of the world have invited America to park our troops on their land. By claiming those nations do it out of fear is silly.

PS. and in the short while for you to answer this you didn't watch the linked video. I should think it more valuable to watch an interview With a former member of the intelligence apparatus than old post from you Billy.

I don't care to watch the video. There's absolutely nothing in that video that's going to shock me and make me open my eyes to believe in what you believe in. I don't read conspiracy theory sites or subscribe to the idea there is a New World Order that is being created. You and the guys in the video are free to believe America is the biggest threat to peace in the World. Putin and China needs more people like you to pick up rifles to fight America so they may succeed and bring you the world of peace the way you see fit. I don't want to be a part of their world so now you understand why there will always be conflict?

[lordtiberius]

Another man Putin is accusing of being a Nazi. 

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/318559373615336980/

Is it legal to be Ukrainian?

[fathertime]

Sure can do. The invasion of Ukraine (not Russian) is not that of the old times. This is an invasion to encircle Russia which along With China are the only real threats to US world hegenomy. It's aim, that started With Clinton who broke the promise Bush 1 did With Russia not to go into Russia's backyard With NATO, is to either scare Russia to silence and obedience or start the Third world war. Same With China which is now surrounded by US bases of which exist in 151 countries, a thousand bases in all. And still many ordinary Americans don't believe their country are an empire!

Ukraine is just a small piece in this play and will be looted by special interests, the monopoly men expect something back from their campaign contributions and Ukraine has great Agricultural and gas Resources and it's Public will be forever indebted to all the economic "aid" given to it's "Liberation".

I personally strongly dislike ANY country forcing it's will upon others. It would be no different if it were Russia or China in this position, but the reality is that none on Earth can oppose USA militarily as they don't have that kind of position. Now, every empire destruct itself and USA will be no different. I don't see it happening militarily or by terrorists but rather economically. Should a New empire after that emerge in my Lifetime (very unlikely) I should oppose it just as much.

This point about the NATO moving into Russia's backyard is a valid point and it appears the USA broke that promise long ago....That point may get downplayed here, but  I believe it is a relevant factor in why things are the way they are now....


Unless we are getting tangible benefits, we *the US* should be pulling back our troops and military bases.   We are under no obligation to clean up the world's messes, but I might not object if it results in a greater direct benefit to regular people, than it costs.  If anything it appears the world is in a huge uproar in many places right now and the American public mostly wants us to sit it out.


Fathertime!