Kherson professional dater

[Hype912]

Name: Lilia
City: Kherson, Ukraine
Age: 29 (turns 30 in July 2014)


Method: Professional Dating, Occasional scamming








Hello Gents, I'm sure there are quite a few scammers in southern Ukrainian towns like Nikolaev, Odessa, and Kherson, as these areas are quite well known for their dating agencies that work with some of the popular online sites like Anastasia, HRB, and others.


I'd like to share some information about a girl I know named Lilia from Kherson who has been deeply involved with the agencies, and has apparently managed to carve out a decent living by working in chat rooms, professional dating, and luring guys to send her money and gifts online, including a car (not by me). I've been dealing with her sporadically over the years - which included meetings in Odessa and Kherson, and have since learned from people who know her that despite marketing herself to men as a poor single woman who desperately wants to find a foreign husband to escape the depravity of small town life in southern Ukraine - she is actually married with two kids.


I wanted to put this out as I'm learning more and more that she has been leading A LOT of guys into buying her things and giving her money - where most of the guys probably don't know that there are a slew of others guys who simultaneously fell for similar requests from her.


Lilia's profile is no longer on sites like HRB or Anastasia - its unclear whether it happened because she was ID'd as a scammer and removed, parted ways with her local agency as a result of a dispute, or simply decided to find another way to make money online. As of a few weeks ago, she was working on a chat site called cam contacts, as a non-nude chat girl. If anyone out there is communicating with her, just know that she is married with kids, so don't waste your time and money. Happy to answer any questions.


Cheers

[BC]

Did you have a good time?  Maybe get laid?

After all, that's a part of dating.

Sounds like she's maybe a 'good time girl' if so, not that different from many around here or 'there'.

Yeah, she looks quite nice and fun.  If someone wants to splurge a car on her his business.

She scam you in any way?

[Hype912]

Nothing intimate, but had a good time on dates.
Turned out to be your average run of the mill professional dating. Sent her money on a couple of occasions. This is a fairly normal thing in the Kherson/Nikolaev/Odessa area. I find girls in Odessa to be particularly odious in terms of sucking money out of people.

I also met some nice girls in Ukraine who weren't affiliated with this sort of thing, so wouldn't hesitate to go back to the area.

[Gator]

An exposé to discredit a RW is always dubious.  Sometimes it is real and helpful, and sometimes it is nothing more than a petulant, scorned man. 

Details would give your story credibility.  For example, who are you?  What is the nature of your "dealings" with her?   How much money did she fleece from you?  Why did you keep meeting her?

[Hype912]

Gator,


I agree that it may come across as scorned or dubious, but there are few options in terms of how to present this sort of thing - so feel free to take it as you like. I put it out there, because i've come to learn this may have happened to others, and although its not so unusual in the wonderful world of Ukrainian dating, if it helps someone to avoid losing money then I can't say its a bad thing.


I met her about 5 years ago and started seeing her (among other women). She was cute, had a seductive personality, and so it was fun to continue hanging out with her. I made the mistake of buying her things and occasionally giving her some money under the pretext of her becoming a potential girlfriend. My fault of course.


By the way, if this sort of information is unwelcome here, I'm happy to delete this thread. Just let me know.

[Shadow]

Any information is welcome, however never make the mistake of expecting everyone to believe you on your word.
If you wish to give information, be sure it is a clear cut case.
Nobody will pat you on the shoulder for wasting money on a woman that decide to choose someone else, no matter how hard you tried to buy her.

[Hype912]

Thanks for the info.

[Gator]

By the way, if this sort of information is unwelcome here, I'm happy to delete this thread. Just let me know.

Credible stories are always welcome.   Your attitude seems reasonable, yet some details were missing that would add more credibility and make your encounter more of a lesson for others.  The odds of a particular man encountering Lilia are low, yet the odds are high for him to meet some other woman with the same MO.

What is more insightful at RWD is not the name of the woman but to share what was going through the man's mind.  Why did he fall into her trap?  What were the red flags that he ignored?  Why did he continue in the state of denial?  What prompted the aha moment?   If presented as such, a photo and name make the story better. 

This also goes into how much communication was there before the first meeting.  If much, how did she pass the filters to screen out insincere women?

Of course, when a man reveals such thinking it opens him up to criticism.   Most of us who have made multiple trips to the FSU and met many women have encountered such women as Lilia.   Usually I saw the truth quickly, yet I was lured into buying $40 of European shampoo when I never had a chance of getting to first base.   I contend such encounters are good because when you do meet a genuinely sincere RW, her behavior is starkly different from the "good time" dyevs. 

As BC says, there is always the sex.  Man usually pays for sex in one way or another.

Did you google her full name to see if she has been reported on various scam sites?

[Hype912]

Yes, i have and didn't find anything. She is not your traditional scammer, but more so a professional dater, who to the best of my knowledge has transitioned away from operating on chat sites such as HRB and Anastasia where most of the business was done.


Some of those sites allow users to buy gifts through the websites - flowers, chocolates, and the like, which is allegedy how the girls make their money. They develop online relationships with various guys, then weave fictional stories about family members in peril, needing money to help an urgent family medical issue and so on. My case was largely self-inflicted in that we used to chat for a long time (expensive just by itself), which was followed by multiple trips to Ukraine, a lot of professional dating in Odessa (meals, transportation to and from Kherson at my expense), occasional modest gifts. I actually enjoyed the fantasy of the experience for a while. After some time we drifted and stopped talking, after which her profile disappeared on HRB and Anastasia (presumably because she either got a regular job or moved to another site). I then learned that she is married with a couple of kids, after she weaved quite an elaborate story of being single when we had previously met for our platonic meetings. Mind you, i was enjoying myself dating other women during this period, so it wasn't as if i had all my eggs in one basket. I was stunned when through a mutual friend, I learned she was married with two kids. Can't blame these girls though - pro dating seems to earn them quite a good living in contrast to a traditional 9-5 job, and I'm sure it goes a long way in terms of making ends meet and helping to raise a family.

[Chelseaboy]

Personally I do blame the girls for their lies,scamming and insincerity.

Don't forget grifting is a crime in many countries..and that's what these girls do.

When I was much younger I was offered the chance to join a very successful car-ringing gang,based in the UK,but operating throughout the world.

I'd have earned sixty times what I was earning in my then job,and believe me I was living a very hard life,but I decided against it..because I didn't think making money out of other peoples misery is the way I wanted to go in life.

It's all about having respect for oneself and respect for others.

These girls do what they do purely because of the type of people they are...they have no morals whatsoever.

Plenty of other girls in Ukraine do normal jobs without feeling the need to scam foreign men for gifts/money...no matter what their circumstances.

[Hype912]

I get the impression this sort of thing occurs mostly in the so called Russian areas of Ukraine where corruption is high, economic conditions are low, and good jobs are scarce - which collectively create the right conditions for scams, professional dating, and various other internet schemes. Obviously none of it would be possible without the guys who participate in it.

[LAman]

Personally I do blame the girls for their lies,scamming and insincerity.

Don't forget grifting is a crime in many countries..and that's what these girls do.

While there is plenty of blame to spread around I hold the 'men' more accountable. Behaviors are learned and there are plenty of foolish men throwing money around hoping to snag wimmen. I don't condone the deceit some girls do but I have yet to see anyone put a gun to a guys head to make them give....

BTW- men can be just as insincere 

[BillyB]

Nothing intimate, but had a good time on dates.

I made the mistake of buying her things and occasionally giving her some money under the pretext of her becoming a potential girlfriend. My fault of course.

Thanks for sharing your mistakes. You will be helping others who read this. We've read stories like this many times here. A lot of men try to buy love with their money. Never works but it sure attracts the gold diggers. Men should challenge themselves to win over women based on who they are, not what they own.

[Hype912]

I'm happy to help any way i can.

[GregfromGa]

So how did you learn the ole gal was married?   What about pictures?  Where are the pictures?

[Hype912]

While there is plenty of blame to spread around I hold the 'men' more accountable. Behaviors are learned and there are plenty of foolish men throwing money around hoping to snag wimmen. I don't condone the deceit some girls do but I have yet to see anyone put a gun to a guys head to make them give....

BTW- men can be just as insincere 

I agree with that. Its definitely a two way street that wouldn't work unless both parties allowed it to.

[steveboy]

It is what usually happens when you hit 65 and still think you can pull a girl of 25. The male genital has cost many many men $$$$$$$$$ over the years

[ML]

pull a girl of 25.

What does it mean to 'pull a girl?'

Can she pull on you also?

What about a push and pull session . . . wouldn't that be better?

[steveboy]

What does it mean to 'pull a girl?'

Can she pull on you also?

What about a push and pull session . . . wouldn't that be better?

Of course she can "Pull on you" If your not to old to have something to Pull! being able to Push and pull helps , Russian women can be very highly sexed! If you cannot satisfy her she will take a lover

[LAman]

What does it mean to 'pull a girl?'

Can she pull on you also?

What about a push and pull session . . . wouldn't that be better?

My guess is a fishing term used to cast out your pole and wire, see who bites and 'pull' in one of them wimmen.  Others cast a wide net and 'pull' in as many as you can hold!!! 

[ML]

If you cannot satisfy her she will take a lover

Now, we are getting somewhere.

Where is the list of women who are not currently satisfied?

A lot of guys would pay good money to get on that mailing list.

[steveboy]

But they would be wasting their money? There are some very highly sexed women who need good sex 2/3 times a day and not just the usual missionary position!
Size also counts, however much cash you have, if you only have a maggot then that list will be of little use to you

Ok some people say "Its not how big it is, its how you use it" But I think thats old wives stories

[ML]

not just the usual missionary position!

I doubt it is 'usual' in this day and age.

Most women I encounter like to sit up there and ride the horse.

[Anotherkiwi]

I doubt it is 'usual' in this day and age.

Most women I encounter like to sit up there and ride the horse.

And what is Ochka's reaction to all these other women?  There shouldn't have been any such revelations in the last three years or so. 

[steveboy]

I doubt it is 'usual' in this day and age.

Most women I encounter like to sit up there and ride the horse.

I don't think you have ever met any highly sexed women And I'm not sure your ticker could take it