More Bad News for Russia

[Brasscasing]

Actually Putin is not my idol, but I can see why he is doing some of things he is....your idol just got squashed. 

You're one of the most ardent Putin fluffers on these forums. It's even more hilarious you attempt to minimize your idolatry. 

"your idol just got squashed."... Repeating yourself again, I see. I've already brushed aside this act of trolling.

Welcome to democracy. Something you and the other Putin fluffers and worshippers, by supporting the criminal dictator Putin, are working diligently to take away from the world. 

Looks like the "Russian Trolls" are multiplying across Canada.

Not a chance. There are some I'm sure but nothing on the order of magnitude as yourself. You post to suplicate Putin's domination in every topic you infect. It kinda makes me cringe a bit when reading your submissive deference to the criminal Putin defending his acts of aggression.

  I see it more as, I've made my point, and you haven't said anything very important yet, so I don't think I need to answer your every question. 

Still can't answer my questions or defend your erroneous propaganda, I see.

The main point remains, I'm satisfied if Canada has elected a leader that is going to be less involved in foreign conflicts.  I hope it starts a trend among other Western nations. 

And here it is again! Another nebulous generic statement that conveys nothing of substance.

The main point is you haven't answered any of my questions because you can't. Your false facts and fallacious arguments are indefensible. As I've already posted...there is no chapter on how to answer questions in the Russian Troll Handbook.

Brass

   

[fathertime]

You're one of the most ardent Putin fluffers on these forums. It's even more hilarious you attempt to minimize your idolatry. 

"your idol just got squashed."... Repeating yourself again, I see. I've already brushed aside this act of trolling.

Not a chance. There are some I'm sure but nothing on the order of magnitude as yourself. You post to suplicate Putin's domination in every topic you infect. It kinda makes me cringe a bit when reading your submissive deference to the criminal Putin defending his acts of aggression.

Still can't answer my questions or defend your erroneous propaganda, I see.


And here it is again! Another nebulous generic statement that conveys nothing of substance.

The main point is you haven't answered any of my questions because you can't. Your false facts and fallacious arguments are indefensible. As I've already posted...there is no chapter on how to answer questions in the Russian Troll Handbook.

Brass

   

I feel cheated, when I signed up to be a "Russian Troll', they didn't give me the "Russian trollbook" I was supposed to follow?    Is that REALLY the best you have, that I'm a Russian troll.   


I recall YOU making the 'nebulous' frustrated statement regarding Canada lessening it's foreign military abroad, after which I said "GOOD"....which of course set you off like an angry time bomb.     Despite your angry disagreement, hoping Western nations stay clear of unnecessary foreign military entanglements is a legit viewpoint to have, and there is no reason to try to substantiate it with you.  If you need some action, you can always set up your little cowboys and Indians around your living room, and shoot rubber bands at them. 







Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

I feel cheated, when I signed up to be a "Russian Troll', they didn't give me the "Russian trollbook" I was supposed to follow?    Is that REALLY the best you have, that I'm a Russian troll.   

There's no one on this forum that fits the bill better. Answer the questions and clarify your foolish comments Mr. Russian Troll or accept the title. Besides, you are following the Russian Troll Handbook, it's just there is no chapters on what to do when your caught out writing gibberish.

I recall YOU making the 'nebulous' frustrated statement regarding Canada lessening it's foreign military abroad, after which I said "GOOD"....which of course set you off like an angry time bomb.     Despite your angry disagreement, hoping Western nations stay clear of unnecessary foreign military entanglements is a legit viewpoint to have, and there is no reason to try to substantiate it with you.  If you need some action, you can always set up your little cowboys and Indians around your living room, and shoot rubber bands at them. 

You see, this is where you fall down every time with your uninformed trolling and belligerent comments...My comment was a statement based on the Liberal campaign platform...You parroting my wording (nebulous) doesn't make that fact any less so.

Foreign Policy - Liberals

Islamic State: The Liberals would end Canada’s bombing mission against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, but would bolster Canadian efforts to help train Iraqi soldiers

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elections/party-platform-comparison/article26758784/

And only you would consider this statement as "blowing up like an angry time bomb" when in fact it's simply pointing out you've already been hoist on your own petard interjecting boneheaded comments on the topic I linked.

Seems to me you should be trying to extract yourself from the corner you argued yourself into here instead of making more uninformed comments on this topic, eh? 

You have little enough knowledge of your own country's foreign policy yet continue to make bombastic uninformed comments on other topics in regards to other countries and when exposed you habitually fall back on your old tactic of "yes, everything I've posted is either not true or disinformation but hey, it's my viewpoint."

Back your viewpoint up with real facts and not fallacious arguments that are easily deconstructed to expose your true intent of disruptive propaganda.

And the advice still stands in that you should be trying to extract yourself (or withdraw the comments as bogus propaganda) from the corner you so comically painted yourself into posting (again) about subjects you know absolutely nothing about.

I believe the phrase "brain dead" was even fielded on yet another topic you'd infected with your nonsense.

There is nothing "unnecessary" about resisting the mad dog (Putin) you so ardently worship. Hopefully with time our young Prime Minister eventually comes to the same conclusion (I suspect he just might. He may be a Liberal but he is his father's son)

Brass

[fathertime]

There's no one on this forum that fits the bill better. Answer the questions and clarify your foolish comments Mr. Russian Troll or accept the title. Besides, you are following the Russian Troll Handbook, it's just there is no chapters on what to do when your caught out writing gibberish.

You see, this is where you fall down every time with your uninformed trolling and belligerent comments...My comment was a statement based on the Liberal campaign platform...You parroting my wording (nebulous) doesn't make that fact any less so.

Foreign Policy - Liberals

Islamic State: The Liberals would end Canada’s bombing mission against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, but would bolster Canadian efforts to help train Iraqi soldiers

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/elections/party-platform-comparison/article26758784/

And only you would consider this statement as "blowing up like an angry time bomb" when in fact it's simply pointing out you've already been hoist on your own petard interjecting boneheaded comments on the topic I linked.

You have little enough knowledge of your own country's foreign policy yet continue to make bombastic uninformed comments on other topics in regards to other countries and when exposed you habitually fall back on your old tactic of "yes, everything I've posted is either not true or disinformation but hey, it's my viewpoint."

Back your viewpoint up with real facts and not fallacious arguments that are easily deconstructed to expose your true intent of disruptive propaganda.

And the advice still stands in that you should be trying to extract yourself (or withdraw the comments as bogus propaganda) from the corner you so comically painted yourself into posting (again) about subjects you know absolutely nothing about.

I believe the phrase "brain dead" was even fielded on yet another topic you'd infected with your nonsense.

There is nothing "unnecessary" about resisting the mad dog (Putin) you so ardently worship. Hopefully with time our young Prime Minister eventually comes to the same conclusion (I suspect he just might. He may be a Liberal but he is his father's son)

Brass

Yes, yes, I have the Putin statue here and genuflect each time I pass!   


You are simply angry that your POV is questioned, and will continue to be.  I am not convinced you REALLY know that much yourself, despite your predicable efforts to prop yourself up.  The truth remains, you are obviously out of step with your own country's voting populace. 


Going forward, it seems less likely the Western nations will get involved in Mideast or other regional quagmires.  We, the weakening western nations are getting called out for doing it, and rightfully so. Your cowboys and Indians routine has grown old and costly...looks to me like we are either going to treat sovereign nations as equals, or pay dearly in various ways, one consequence will be other larger nations will take similar steps as we have. 


Fathertime! 
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[Brasscasing]

Yes, yes, I have the Putin statue here and genuflect each time I pass!   

You can't minimize your adulation for the criminal dictator Putin, it's a bit late in the game for that. Besides your trolling, every "I was just browsing the internet" segue is straight into a Putin/Russian article extolling how great and wonderful Russia's aggression is and how the rest of the world should bow to your idol. That's about as close to genuflection as it gets.

You are simply angry that your POV is questioned, and will continue to be.  I am not convinced you REALLY know that much yourself, despite your predicable efforts to prop yourself up.  The truth remains, you are obviously out of step with your own country's voting populace. 

LOL, you haven't "questioned" my POV, it is I who has deconstructed your "POV" for what it is (uninformed Putin worship) and asked you questions-questions you are unable to answer because fallacious arguments are easy to expose-to get clarification as to where exactly you come up with your fantasies.

You don't need to be convinced, you just simply have to read this topic and the two others prior to it (for anyone) to understand that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's all right there.

Going forward, it seems less likely the Western nations will get involved in Mideast or other regional quagmires.  We, the weakening western nations are getting called out for doing it, and rightfully so. Your cowboys and Indians routine has grown old and costly...looks to me like we are either going to treat sovereign nations as equals, or pay dearly in various ways, one consequence will be other larger nations will take similar steps as we have. 

...And more nebulous say nothing pro Putin sermonizing direct from the Russian Troll Factory. 

Just like Russia is treating Ukraine and Georgia as "sovereign equals", right?

Brass

[fathertime]

LOL, you haven't "questioned" my POV, 

 

Yes, by posting links/comments, it is obvious your 'know everything'  POV is being questioned, you are now weakly pretending it isn't. 

You can't minimize your adulation for the criminal dictator Putin, it's a bit late in the game for that. Besides your trolling, every "I was just browsing the internet" segue is straight into a Putin/Russian article extolling how great and wonderful Russia's aggression is and how the 

It is ok with me if you think I genuflect for Putin, the truth is, I really don't care one way or another...but I'm glad that he is standing up to what I see as US oversteps overseas...oh yes, "I happened to be browsing the internet" was an order I received straight from the Kremlin. 

...And more nebulous say nothing pro Putin sermonizing direct from the Russian Troll Factory. 
Brass

Yes, if somebody has a viewpoint different from your own, they are a Russian troll.  Overall, this viewpoint has been rejected by voters.  Your hardliner stance is in the minority, thankfully.  Hopefully your type continues to be marginalized. 


Fathertime!   

[Brasscasing]

Yes, by posting links/comments, it is obvious your 'know everything'  POV is being questioned, you are now weakly pretending it isn't. 

Oh I'm not "pretending" it isn't, it isn't. You're the one who won't/can't answer questions substantiating your assertions. I'm doing fine substantiating mine, thankyou.

It is ok with me if you think I genuflect for Putin, the truth is, I really don't care one way or another...but I'm glad that he is standing up to what I see as US oversteps overseas...oh yes, "I happened to be browsing the internet" was an order I received straight from the Kremlin. 

The problem is what you "see" isn't accurate. In fact, no one looking at Russia's aggression could see it the way you do unless they were consciously trying to be seditious.

You either have a serious hate on for the country of your birth(?) and you want harm to come to it and it's people or you're as ignorant as you appear to be in your narratives. I hope it's the latter but I suspect it might be the former.

Yes, if somebody has a viewpoint different from your own, they are a Russian troll.  Overall, this viewpoint has been rejected by voters.  Your hardliner stance is in the minority, thankfully.  Hopefully your type continues to be marginalized. 

A legitimate viewpoint is one thing, you're advocating harm to your own country and those allied to it. You positively gush when you discover and link any article positive towards Putin or negative towards the US and don't acknowledge that most of your arguments are fallacious and well, gosh darn, just pure hokum, even when it's unequivocally pointed out to you.

I agree with your last part to some degree though. It is "my type" that are generally marginalized and not heeded...until shit hits the fan, that is.

Then it's 'your type', who scoff the blessings you were born into and inherited from the service and sacrifice of others, who cheer and "genuflect" the belligerent  acts of aggressive nations and criminal dictators, who then come running to 'my type' to save and protect them. 

Your subversive whinging reminds me of a military prayer that was circulated by an organization I'm a member of...



Brass

 

[alex330]

It is "my type" that are generally marginalized and not heeded...until shit hits the fan, that is.

My brother shared a great updated version of this prayer with me the other day. It was written by a veteran and I thought it quite good.

http://thesteadfastpatriot.wordpress.com/

[Brasscasing]

My brother shared a great updated version of this prayer with me the other day. It was written by a veteran and I thought it quite good.

http://thesteadfastpatriot.wordpress.com/

Great read, Alex. Thanks.

Brass

[fathertime]

Oh I'm not "pretending" it isn't, it isn't. You're the one who won't/can't answer questions substantiating your assertions. I'm doing fine substantiating mine, thankyou.

The problem is what you "see" isn't accurate. In fact, no one looking at Russia's aggression could see it the way you do unless they were consciously trying to be seditious.

You either have a serious hate on for the country of your birth(?) and you want harm to come to it and it's people or you're as ignorant as you appear to be in your narratives. I hope it's the latter but I suspect it might be the former.

A legitimate viewpoint is one thing, you're advocating harm to your own country and those allied to it. You positively gush when you discover and link any article positive towards Putin or negative towards the US and don't acknowledge that most of your arguments are fallacious and well, gosh darn, just pure hokum, even when it's unequivocally pointed out to you.

I agree with your last part to some degree though. It is "my type" that are generally marginalized and not heeded...until shit hits the fan, that is.

Then it's 'your type', who scoff the blessings you were born into and inherited from the service and sacrifice of others, who cheer and "genuflect" the belligerent  acts of aggressive nations and criminal dictators, who then come running to 'my type' to save and protect them. 

Your subversive whinging reminds me of a military prayer that was circulated by an organization I'm a member of...



Brass

 

Funny that you think so highly of yourself.  NO you probably are not the type you think you are.   



 It is good, that your type was somewhat marginalized in your own country's elections.  My hope is that the trend continues and more Western nations stand down when it comes to arming/meddling in weaker countries, for their own purposes.   


Doesn't matter what you 'suspect'. Or what you think I 'gush' at.     There have been many criminal acts/abuses committed by western nations. Of course they are reported/couched differently, but that doesn't change what has happened.   It doesn't matter what nation I hail from, I hold no biases based on that, but I think YOU do...which is your own weakness...but of course you have every right to have this weakness.  Your accusations are your feeble attempt to wield a small weapon...good luck with that! 


Fathertime!   

[Brasscasing]

Funny that you think so highly of yourself.  NO you probably are not the type you think you are.   

Nonsensical response (as usual). It is you who continues to post that 'I know it all', not I. And it is you, who even in this very post quoted, has defined 'my type'. I'm simply telling you I agree with your slur to some extent in that there are others who also denigrate those that are patriots (US or Canadian).

The ironic thing about your 'smack talk' is that it's adamantly clear you are as dedicated an agent of subversion and undermining the US and it's allies as I am committed to my belief that the longer the west let's this criminal mad dog Putin run off his leash the harder he'll be to put down.

The difference is I'm basing my beliefs on extrapolation of facts and acts already in evidence. You base your disruptive narratives on uninformed opinion, lies and disinformation.

It is good, that your type was somewhat marginalized in your own country's elections.  My hope is that the trend continues and more Western nations stand down when it comes to arming/meddling in weaker countries, for their own purposes.   

Already answered. Are you posting drunk again?...

I agree with your last part to some degree though. It is "my type" that are generally marginalized and not heeded...until shit hits the fan, that is.

My hope is we continue assisting and arming weaker county's that are victims of Putin's aggression and at some point if all the stars align and the west ends up with leaders of a like mind, we militarily intervene.

I realize that my "hard line" approach would be a threat to your vision/hopes of a Russian dominated world. That's why you disrupt any topics/members that argue/support a more hard line approach towards your hero Putin. Ergo, that's why you troll my posts.

Doesn't matter what you 'suspect'. Or what you think I 'gush' at.     There have been many criminal acts/abuses committed by western nations. Of course they are reported/couched differently, but that doesn't change what has happened.   It doesn't matter what nation I hail from, I hold no biases based on that, but I think YOU do...which is your own weakness...but of course you have every right to have this weakness.  Your accusations are your feeble attempt to wield a small weapon...good luck with that! 

Sure it "matters". It lends itself to motivation. You are a most dedicated Russian Troll, fathertime.

Look how you keep referring to "many criminal acts/abuses committed by western nations".  You mention these "acts and abuses" in just about every post but don't actually name them. You just keep repeating the same mantra over and over.

Yes, it does matter what nation you hail from as again it lends itself to motivation. I must have been closer in my assessment...

You either have a serious hate on for the country of your birth(?) and you want harm to come to it and it's people or you're as ignorant as you appear to be in your narratives. I hope it's the latter but I suspect it might be the former.

...then you'd like to acknowledge. Not to worry though, I get that Russian Trolls like to try to remain anonymous.

..."I hold no biases based on that, but I think YOU do...which is your own weakness...but of course you have every right to have this weakness.  Your accusations are your feeble attempt to wield a small weapon...good luck with that!"...

And yet here we are for the third time in as many months with me again exposing you for the uninformed lying troll you are.

So, whatever the size of the "weapon" it is I wield in your fantasies, it's obviously big enough to vanquish you.

Brass

[fathertime]

Nonsensical response (as usual). It is you who continues to post that 'I know it all', not I. And it is you, who even in this very post quoted, has defined 'my type'. I'm simply telling you I agree with your slur to some extent in that there are others who also denigrate those that are patriots (US or Canadian).

The ironic thing about your 'smack talk' is that it's adamantly clear you are as dedicated an agent of subversion and undermining the US and it's allies as I am committed to my belief that the longer the west let's this criminal mad dog Putin run off his leash the harder he'll be to put down.

The difference is I'm basing my beliefs on extrapolation of facts and acts already in evidence. You base your disruptive narratives on uninformed opinion, lies and disinformation.

Already answered. Are you posting drunk again?...

My hope is we continue assisting and arming weaker county's that are victims of Putin's aggression and at some point if all the stars align and the west ends up with leaders of a like mind, we militarily intervene.

I realize that my "hard line" approach would be a threat to your vision/hopes of a Russian dominated world. That's why you disrupt any topics/members that argue/support a more hard line approach towards your hero Putin. Ergo, that's why you troll my posts.

Sure it "matters". It lends itself to motivation. You are a most dedicated Russian Troll, fathertime.

Look how you keep referring to "many criminal acts/abuses committed by western nations".  You mention these "acts and abuses" in just about every post but don't actually name them. You just keep repeating the same mantra over and over.

Yes, it does matter what nation you hail from as again it lends itself to motivation. I must have been closer in my assessment...

...then you'd like to acknowledge. Not to worry though, I get that Russian Trolls like to try to remain anonymous.

And yet here we are for the third time in as many months with me again exposing you for the uninformed lying troll you are.

So, whatever the size of the "weapon" it is I wield in your fantasies, it's obviously big enough to vanquish you.

Brass

There really isn't much to say.  You are mistakenly convinced I'm a drunk Russian troll that genuflects when I pass a Putin statue.  I have to suspect you perceive my posts on these topics as a threat....you perceive many things as a threat so that makes sense.     


I don't think your glowing perceptions of western nation's military interventions are based in reality, but of course you are entitled to believe they are.     I'm convinced otherwise, we have helped sew destruction and wars mainly for our own purposes. So I'm glad your man was voted out, and based on what you say, a more moderate representative was put in place.   


Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

While casually browsing about the internet, I came across this link on Fox News.  Tony Blair seems to contradict your false assertion regarding weapons in Iraq.  Of course this was initially our stated purpose for invading the country.  It is a good example, of your willful blindness.  But I'm sure you shall regale readers since you 'know' much more than Tony Blair! 






US-led invasion of Iraq played role in rise of ISIS, ex-British leader Tony Blair says

.....Blair's decision to take Britain into the Iraq war — based on what turned out to be false claims about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction — remains hugely divisive, and contributed to his Labour Party's loss of power in 2010......

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/25/former-british-leader-tony-blair-says-iraq-war-played-role-in-rise-islamic/?intcmp=hpbt2




Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

There really isn't much to say.  You are mistakenly convinced I'm a drunk Russian troll that genuflects when I pass a Putin statue.  I have to suspect you perceive my posts on these topics as a threat....you perceive many things as a threat so that makes sense.     

Well, let's just say I'm leaning towards a Russian Troll who sometimes posts when he's drunk.

And no, I do not perceive you as a threat. I perceive you as someone who needs to be brought to task when you post disinformation, uninformed rhetoric and unsubtantiated Putin worship. However, you make deconstructing your narrative very easy so you're not a threat.

You might want to take a look back at the discussions I've posted in recently and count how many times it's been you who's interjected boneheaded comments using my quotes, then vice versa. 

I don't think your glowing perceptions of western nation's military interventions are based in reality, but of course you are entitled to believe they are.     I'm convinced otherwise, we have helped sew destruction and wars mainly for our own purposes. So I'm glad your man was voted out, and based on what you say, a more moderate representative was put in place.   

Hold on to that thought...So you believe Canada's new 'moderate' PM is the answer to stopping your hero Putin's aggression, do you? Let's take a look.

Russian bear pokes Canada - what will Trudeau do?

..." As a G7 country, Canada’s voice and actions on the world stage matter and they have consequences."...

..."Often, under Prime Minister Stephen Harper, moral relativists bemoaned the lack of UN engagement and suggested his principled and vociferous opposition to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s annexation of Ukraine was mere political posturing. The annual Arctic Tour Harper started in 2006 was labelled a public relations exercise by critics who failed to recognize the importance of this coast to our nation’s sovereignty"...

..."We have a new prime minister-designate — Justin Trudeau — who denigrated Putin’s dangerous and provocative actions in Ukraine as simply motivated by a “hockey loss.”...

..."His first act was to tell our American ally he is going to pull our CF-18s out of the fight against ISIS. This group of terrorists are the most vile, barbaric and ritualistic murderers the world has witnessed and Trudeau is choosing to stand on the sidelines."...

That's the background. Now, here we go. New PM, right? And of course your hero Putin is right in there like a dirty shirt...

..."It is by no coincidence — more by design — that the expansionist Putin regime announced plans Thursday for three new military bases in the Arctic. The Russian defence minister, Sergei Shoigu, boasted: “This is a really large base that was never seen during the Soviet times, and it has modern equipment, all of the needed equipment for these boundaries.”...

..."So what say you, prime minister-designate Trudeau?

The Russian Bear is poking Canada and what do you plan to do?"...

..."We have learned from Putin’s past behaviour that, if unchecked, an inch turns into miles. And if we consider occupation to be nine-tenths of ownership, Putin is laying the groundwork for squatters’ rights.

The safety and security of North America are clearly laid bare by Putin’s bold moves. Three functional, large and operational military bases in the Arctic could be seen as similar a manoeuvre as the Soviets establishing bases in Cuba.

As his first act as prime minister-designate, Trudeau pulled out of the coalition fight against ISIS and signalled to bullies like Putin that Canada is now a nation of pushovers."...

..."During the election campaign, Trudeau promised to tell Putin off “directly to his face.” So has he made that phone call? Has he called in the Russian ambassador? Has he reached out to Arctic Council members? Has he done anything to respond to the world’s bully?

Here is your first test to show that you are an adult at the grown-up table, prime minister-designate Trudeau. What say you?'...

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/10/22/russian-bear-pokes-canada---what-will-trudeau-do

Only a few days on the job for our new PM and the criminal dictator Putin has already started testing Trudeau's resolve.

Putin would never have made this announcement if Harper were still PM.

Putin has been emboldened by the defeat of a "hard line" Prime Minister of 'my kind' and replaced with a 'moderate' PM of 'your kind'. He's now moving forward with his plans of conquest.

So, answer me this. Who's fault is it now for Russia's expansionism in the Arctic, Canada or Russia?

You see, your hero Putin relies on "useful idiots" like yourself to undermine the foundations of democratic countries like Canada and the US. However, your glee and rubbing of hands at 'my kind's' PM defeat at the polls might well force 'your kind' of PM to have to respond or face a Russian army poised on Canada's northern frontier.

If 'my kind' of PM had still been the government, Putin would have though twice and escalation in aggressive expansionism might have been avoided. 

Brass

[fathertime]

If 'my kind' of PM had still been the government, Putin would have though twice and escalation in aggressive expansionism might have been avoided. 

Brass

If 'your kind' had been making decisions, we would have all been killed already.  So marginalization is one of the better outcomes. 

Well, let's just say I'm leaning towards a Russian Troll who sometimes posts when he's drunk.

And no, I do not perceive you as a threat. I perceive you as someone who needs to be brought to task when you post disinformation, uninformed rhetoric and unsubtantiated Putin worship. However, you make deconstructing your narrative very easy so you're not a threat.

 

Whatever keeps your inflated sense of self in tact! 

You might want to take a look back at the discussions I've posted in recently and count how many times it's been you who's interjected boneheaded comments using my quotes, then vice versa. 

From my viewpoint, you have been making the boneheaded absolute statements, many of which aren't accurate....but I don't discourage you from continuing, as it helps flush out your untenable position.
  I've presented the case I wanted to present.


Fathertime! 

[Brasscasing]

While casually browsing about the internet, I came across this link on Fox News.  Tony Blair seems to contradict your false assertion regarding weapons in Iraq.  Of course this was initially our stated purpose for invading the country.  It is a good example, of your willful blindness.  But I'm sure you shall regale readers since you 'know' much more than Tony Blair! 

US-led invasion of Iraq played role in rise of ISIS, ex-British leader Tony Blair says

.....Blair's decision to take Britain into the Iraq war — based on what turned out to be false claims about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction — remains hugely divisive, and contributed to his Labour Party's loss of power in 2010......

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/25/former-british-leader-tony-blair-says-iraq-war-played-role-in-rise-islamic/?intcmp=hpbt2

Hardly a scathing or complete indictment....

..."LONDON –  Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair has said the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was partly responsible for the emergence of the Islamic State militant group in the Middle East. But he insisted that toppling dictator Saddam Hussein had been the right thing to do.

Blair told CNN that "there are elements of truth" in the assertion that the war caused the rise of ISIS."...

Pffft....Blair doesn't even mention the Obama troop withdrawal that created the vacuum that allowed the rise of IS in the first place.

Seriously, if Tony Blair is having an attack of the guilts over his time in office then he should at least qualify his apology with the truth.

As far as..."Blair's decision to take Britain into the Iraq war — based on what turned out to be false claims about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction — remains hugely divisive, and contributed to his Labour Party's loss of power in 2010."

I've already shown the links that establish there were WMDs in Iraq. That's not opinion, it's fact...

 

As to the US causing the problem? Not really.

Western media has misrepresented the WMDs in Iraq to the point where I'd say it was malicious mis/disinformation. It may qualify as one of the biggest deliberate cover ups to further a political agenda in the last few decades...

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons

..."The soldiers at the blast crater sensed something was wrong.
 
It was August 2008 near Taji, Iraq. They had just exploded a stack of old Iraqi artillery shells buried beside a murky lake. The blast, part of an effort to destroy munitions that could be used in makeshift bombs, uncovered more shells.
 
Two technicians assigned to dispose of munitions stepped into the hole. Lake water seeped in. One of them, Specialist Andrew T. Goldman, noticed a pungent odor, something, he said, he had never smelled before.
 
He lifted a shell. Oily paste oozed from a crack. “That doesn’t look like pond water,” said his team leader, Staff Sgt. Eric J. Duling.
 
The specialist swabbed the shell with chemical detection paper. It turned red — indicating sulfur mustard, the chemical warfare agent designed to burn a victim’s airway, skin and eyes.
 
All three men recall an awkward pause. Then Sergeant Duling gave an order: “Get the hell out.”
 
Five years after President George W. Bush sent troops into Iraq, these soldiers had entered an expansive but largely secret chapter of America’s long and bitter involvement in Iraq.
 
From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule."...

..."In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act....

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=1

Read this article it points the direction...

BOMBSHELL: New York Times Reports WMDs WERE Found in Iraq!

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/bombshell-new-york-times-reports-wmds-found-iraq/#ixzz3kynTAcok

Further, one of the lasting jokes among former UN personnel is the WMDs found at UNHQ, it was also buried by the media at the time.

Iraq war chemicals found stored in U.N. office

..."The United Nations found small amounts of a potentially lethal chemical warfare agent, removed from Iraq a decade ago, in offices near its New York headquarters but officials said on Thursday there was no danger. "...

..."It should not have come here," said Ewen Buchanan, spokesman for the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, known as UNMOVIC, in whose offices the substance was found"...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/30/us-un-chemicals-idUSN3044092720070830

I guess not...how the hell are you supposed to maintain the big lie with the actual proof of Iraqi chemical weapons floating around the bloody UN Headquarters, eh?

Chemical Weapons Scare at U.N. Headquarters

..."United Nations weapons inspectors discovered six to eight vials of a dangerous chemical warfare agent, phosgene, as they were cleaning out offices at a U.N. building in New York, federal authorities tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

The federal authorities said the office, in a U.N. building near headquarters, was being evacuated and the White House had been notified at 10 a.m."...

..."The vials were discovered at the headquarters of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), which led the inspections of possible chemical and biological weapons in Iraq. The items were recovered from a former Iraqi chemical weapons facility, Al Muthanna, back in 1996, but just noticed on an inventory list yesterday, according to UNMOVIC."...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/08/nerve-gas-scare.html

WikiLeaks...Yep, that's right, even WikiLeaks...

US did find Iraq WMD

..."There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein’s chemical weapons arsenal — most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city."...

http://nypost.com/2010/10/25/us-did-find-iraq-wmd/

You can hate or love Bush but don't ever tell an Iraq veteran or someone who was in the region at the time there were no WMDs in Iraq, they simply know better.

Really?...You're searching the internet to find something...anything that might impugn my credibility now, Mr. Russian Troll. 

You'll have to do better than that....Or better yet, answer the questions I've put forward to you clarifying your assertions linked up thread (or on the topic this one was split from) . That would do more for your own credibility then trying to deflect with badly researched articles reporting apologies from ousted foreign leaders.

Brass

[fathertime]

  with badly researched articles reporting apologies from ousted foreign leaders.

Brass

..of course it is 'badly researched'...it doesn't jibe with what YOU think.   


It was obvious you would attempt to defend your earlier position at all costs, but Tony Blair did in fact admit the reason for going into Iraq was false. When one of the leaders of the war of aggression, painfully admits he erred, it deeply undermines the position you have staked out.   It wasn't hard to find, it is splattered all over the front pages today. 

Funny that first you whine and groan about not having a resource to back a statement, but when one is provided, you immediately attempt to spill tainted wine all over the primary resource, in this case Tony Blair.  Haha, despite your inflated sense of importance,  I think Blair has a bit more knowledge of the situation overall, then YOU do! 

Fathertime!   



   

[Brasscasing]

If 'your kind' had been making decisions, we would have all been killed already.  So marginalization is one of the better outcomes. 

Not really (all been killed). That's just your cowardice talking again. NATO intervention in Ukraine would have forced Putin to back down. I've already explained my reasoning a dozen times on multiple threads.

The fact that Putin is becoming more aggressive regionally and beyond due to lack of resolve by the US/NATO/West is self evident. It needs no further explanation.

Whatever keeps your inflated sense of self in tact! 

How you making out with this...is it working for you? Because for the life of me I can't figure out how showing you for the uninformed Putin worshipper you are makes me have "an inflated sense of self". All I've asked you to do is defend/substantiate your fantastical assertions. You still can anytime.

From my viewpoint, you have been making the boneheaded absolute statements, many of which aren't accurate....but I don't discourage you from continuing, as it helps flush out your untenable position.
 I've presented the case I wanted to present.

The difference is my "boneheaded" statements are established fact, recorded history or educated extrapolations based on my experience and past or present events. Your "boneheaded" statements are just uneducated, biased belligerent opinions, seditious in nature and mostly just unsubstantiated nonsense.

You haven't presented a "case". You threw a bunch of unsubstantiated assertions around. I asked you to clarify them and you couldn't. The only "untenable" position is yours if you can't even attempt to validate your hype.

Am I always right? Nope. If you had asked me two years ago would the criminal dictator named Putin still be in Ukraine and expanding in the Middle East and Artic, I'd have laughed in your face. But here we are two years later watching your hero run about the world sandbox kicking sand about while the US/NATO/EU and whatever acronym you want to throw in there, do nothing. Shame on us all.

Brass

[fathertime]

Not really (all been killed). That's just your cowardice talking again. NATO intervention in Ukraine would have forced Putin to back down. I've already explained my reasoning a dozen times on multiple threads.

Ukraine is one of many, and I don't think your assertion about Putin being forced to back down is accurate.  It is merely you making an assertion, disguised as fact.   

The fact that Putin is becoming more aggressive regionally and beyond due to lack of resolve by the US/NATO/West is self evident. It needs no further explanation.

Actually you are not correct here either, at least not fully.  There are reasons the US/West isn't getting as involved in areas like Ukraine/Syria...it needs no further explanation. 

How you making out with this...is it working for you? Because for the life of me I can't figure out how showing you for the uninformed Putin worshipper you are makes me have "an inflated sense of self". All I've asked you to do is defend/substantiate your fantastical assertions. You still can anytime.

Working out fine. 
I've discussed and elaborated where necessary.  I'm not always going to be interested in making you satisfied, because the fact is you will never be satisfied, but I'm ok with that.  The lynch mob, and "I know everything" mentality can only be entertained to a point.

Am I always right? Nope. If you had asked me two years ago would the criminal dictator named Putin still be in Ukraine and expanding in the Middle East and Artic, I'd have laughed in your face. But here we are two years later watching your hero run about the world sandbox kicking sand about while the US/NATO/EU and whatever acronym you want to throw in there, do nothing. Shame on us all.

Brass

 
You want to be ashamed that is ok. 
I realize that there are two sides to these issues, and don't see a reason to feel shame for the same things you do.  Yes you did misjudge how Russia would react, and you are also misjudging what would have occurred had we taken the hard line stance you supported as it pertains to Ukraine, or perhaps even Syria. Thankfully, cooler heads are taking a different approach. 


Fathertime!   

[Brasscasing]

..of course it is 'badly researched'...it doesn't jibe with what YOU think.   

What I think is it doesn't jibe with the established facts or history. Nor apparently does it match your own narrative about the details of Blair's apology.

It was obvious you would attempt to defend your earlier position at all costs, but Tony Blair did in fact admit the reason for going into Iraq was false. When one of the leaders of the war of aggression, painfully admits he erred, it deeply undermines the position you have staked out.   It wasn't hard to find, it is splattered all over the front pages today.

I'm not defending my position. There's no need. I just provided the proof up thread. Which is exactly what I've been asking you to do.

The rest of your paragraph is typical fathertime "I hate the US and it's allies" venom. I note you picked the most badly written article you could have found reporting on Blair's 'apology' in hopes of mounting a deflection...don't worry I still haven't forgotten this thread isn't about me but you being unable to validate your propaganda.

Anyways...I more well written, researched and balanced article reporting the same event and it's not such the indictment you'd have us believe.

Tony Blair makes qualified apology for Iraq war ahead of Chilcot report

..."Former British PM admits ‘mistakes’ and conflict’s role in rise of Islamic State but defends armed intervention in 2003"...

..."Tony Blair has moved to prepare the ground for the publication of the Chilcot enquiry into the Iraq war by offering a qualified apology for the use of misleading intelligence and the failure to prepare for the aftermath of the invasion"...

..."Blair, who will be aware of what Chilcot is planning to say about him in the long-awaited report into the Iraq war, moved to pre-empt its criticisms in an interview with CNN. He told Zakaria: “I apologise for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong.

“I also apologise for some of the mistakes in planning and, certainly, our mistake in our understanding of what would happen once you removed the regime.” ...

..."But the former prime minister made clear that he still felt he made the right decision in backing the US invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein. He said: “I find it hard to apologise for removing Saddam.”...

..."Blair also made light of the claims that he should stand trial on war crimes charges and defended his policy of what he used to describe as liberal interventionism. The former prime minister contrasted what he described as “my ‘crime’” – the removal of Saddam – and the civil war in Syria.

“We have stood back and we, in the west, bear responsibility for this – Europe most of all. We’ve done nothing. That’s a judgment of history I’m prepared to have.” The former prime minister indicated that he saw merit in the argument that the Iraq war was to blame for the rise of Islamic State (Isis). “I think there are elements of truth in that,” he said when asked whether the Iraq invasion had been the “principal cause” of the rise of Isis."...

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/25/tony-blair-sorry-iraq-war-mistakes-admits-conflict-role-in-rise-of-isis

So, no, Tony Blair did not in fact admit the reason for going into Iraq was false. Nor did one of the leaders of the war of aggression, painfully admits he erred. You must be getting desperate. 

You were just exaggerating the negative aspects of the story. In otherwords being untruthful/disingenuous, as usual.

Funny that first you whine and groan about not having a resource to back a statement, but when one is provided, you immediately attempt to spill tainted wine all over the primary resource, in this case Tony Blair.  Haha, despite your inflated sense of importance,  I think Blair has a bit more knowledge of the situation overall, then YOU do! 

Fathertime!   

And again, so much for you 'just happened to be casually browsing about the internet'. You would have had to have read several articles to have picked the absolutely worst version of this article you could find. More typical Russian Troll behavior.

I agree, Blair would have more knowledge than myself and when you read a better researched, more complete and balanced article like the Guardian you read an interview more in line with the history/truth, not what you offered and tried to accuse me of.

Now how about answering my questions.

Brass

[fathertime]

What I think is it doesn't jibe with the established facts or history. Nor apparently does it match your own narrative about the details of Blair's apology.

 

Did he apologize?  Who said he did?


YOUR cherry picked established facts of history. 

And again, so much for you 'just happened to be casually browsing about the internet'. You would have had to have read several articles to have picked the absolutely worst version of this article you could find. More typical Russian Troll behavior.
 

Brass

The article I cited while browsing, did quote his words, it was only 'poorly written' because you may have disagreed with any commentary.  I guess you got us 'russian trolls' and 'putin worshippers' figured out though!   

So, no, Tony Blair did not in fact admit the reason for going into Iraq was false. Nor did one of the leaders of the war of aggression, painfully admits he erred. You must be getting desperate. 

You were just exaggerating the negative aspects of the story. In otherwords being untruthful/disingenuous, as usual.

 

You must be desperate or something, he put it out there regarding the weapons of mass destruction, that didn't exist.  Yes the war was based on a lie, of course I wouldn't expect him to come right out and admit everything, he may be in prison someday....which won't bring back the massive deaths caused by aggressive wars like the ones you like to support. 


Fathertime!

[Brasscasing]

Ukraine is one of many, and I don't think your assertion about Putin being forced to back down is accurate.  It is merely you making an assertion, disguised as fact.   

Of course you don't. That would be counter to your Putin worship. How can you fluff your hero if you admit he would have backed down stopping all this nonsense then instead of later when it's going to cost the West more all round.

Wrong again, If you can find anywhere I posted/claimed any outcome of military intervention with Russia as fact, link it or this is nothing more than you making stuff up in your head again.

Actually you are not correct here either, at least not fully.  There are reasons the US/West isn't getting as involved in areas like Ukraine/Syria...it needs no further explanation. 

Which doesn't negate my comment you quoted and says nothing. I see we're falling into out and out trolling mode now. Won't be long until you're parroting my comments...

Working out fine. 
I've discussed and elaborated where necessary.  I'm not always going to be interested in making you satisfied, because the fact is you will never be satisfied, but I'm ok with that.  The lynch mob, and "I know everything" mentality can only be entertained to a point.
 
You want to be ashamed that is ok. 
I realize that there are two sides to these issues, and don't see a reason to feel shame for the same things you do.  Yes you did misjudge how Russia would react, and you are also misjudging what would have occurred had we taken the hard line stance you supported as it pertains to Ukraine, or perhaps even Syria. Thankfully, cooler heads are taking a different approach.

Comically predictable of you... I didn't "misjudge how Russia would react". I was well aware that Putin would/will continue his aggression as long as he remains unchallenged. What I posted was...

But here we are two years later watching your hero run about the world sandbox kicking sand about while the US/NATO/EU and whatever acronym you want to throw in there, do nothing.

...it was the West I misjudged in that we would stand by and do nothing. 

Yeah, I know. You can't elaborate. There's no way you could validate/substantiate those asinine comments you posted. I've got to admit I got a chuckle  when I first read them.

I don't think the Russian Troll Factory is getting their money's worth from you. 

Brass

[Brasscasing]

Did he apologize?  Who said he did?

Your article did, my article did...Are you drinking again?

YOUR cherry picked established facts of history. 

Nope, just history. 

The article I cited while browsing, did quote his words, it was only 'poorly written' because you may have disagreed with any commentary.  I guess you got us 'russian trolls' and 'putin worshippers' figured out though!   

Well, the articles are posted/linked so anyone reading can make up there own mind. I've already debunked your misguided attempt at deflection (mis)using a poorly worded, incomplete media article as your tool.

You must be desperate or something, he put it out there regarding the weapons of mass destruction, that didn't exist.  Yes the war was based on a lie, of course I wouldn't expect him to come right out and admit everything, he may be in prison someday....which won't bring back the massive deaths caused by aggressive wars like the ones you like to support. 

Opp, the Parrot is warming up to squawk,  again.

Really? He did? Blair stated that the WMDs didn't exist? Can you post that quote?

Wow. So in effect you convey nothing of any substance (because it's just your opinion) in this paragraph other than you really, really hate the West, LOL.

Brass

[Boethius]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/18/panorama-iraq-fresh-wmd-claims

Appearing on the US TV network CNN Tony Blair was asked directly whether the decision to enter Iraq and topple Saddam Hussein had been 'a mistake'.

He replied: 'You know whenever I'm asked this I can say that I apologise for the fact that the intelligence I received was wrong.

'Because even though he had used chemical weapons extensively against his own people against others, the programme in the form we thought it was did not exist in the way that we thought. So I can apologise for that.

'I can also apologise, by the way, for some of the mistakes in planning and certainly our mistake in our understanding of what would happen once you had removed the regime.

But I find it hard to apologise for removing Saddam. I think even from today 2015 it's better that he is not there than he is there.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3287982/I-m-sorry-Blair-takes-blame-Iraq-War-admits-conflict-caused-rise-ISIS-astonishing-apology-TV-show.html#ixzz3pc7I2q7L

[Brasscasing]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/18/panorama-iraq-fresh-wmd-claims


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3287982/I-m-sorry-Blair-takes-blame-Iraq-War-admits-conflict-caused-rise-ISIS-astonishing-apology-TV-show.html#ixzz3pc7I2q7L

Oh dear, Bo...You too?

..."Fresh evidence has been revealed about how MI6 and the CIA were told through secret channels by Saddam Hussein's foreign minister and his head of intelligence that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction.

Tony Blair told parliament before the war that intelligence showed Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programme was "active", "growing" and "up and running"...

Now there's a guy we would have wanted to listen too after Hussein's been gassing his own people for years, right?

The "curveball" information wasn't the only intelligence the US, UK and UN used.

There are going to be many stories circulated over the next while some true, most sensationalized nonsense and I have no doubt the Report will be scathing...It's what the people want afterall.

I have no idea why you posted the news article...


Brass