3 work to eliminate any agency from your communication

[Marc Dayton]

3) Work to eliminate any agency from your communications.


I am shere you had a good meaning here, but for the men that need a full service agency don't you think that this statment is a bit strong and in the long run in some cases you will hert him, and their match as we work with them on miss understandings and after care services.

[Bruno]

Marc... When Dan say eliminate agency from communication, i think that he mean that a direct contact with the woman need to be etablish...

I have know Galina via a agency who give no contact information... all go via the agency... i have know problem with these agency and they have stop our correspondance... by chance, Galina have contact me by post... she have find my address on the copy of my identity card that i have send her in the begin...

Agency who don't accept to allow a direct contact, to send phone and post address are not recommanded...

[Marc Dayton]

Bruno.

I am one of those agency that don't pass or sell address , and home phone numbers.

So dose that mean I am not a good service ? I think not 12 years we have helped 1000,s of men when they meet the girls its the girls choice to give him all the info he want's

100% this is a statment that promotes address sites and free services, and I have a good ? for you about that. A full service agency that's good kick the scammers out of their program when this happens were to you think these girls go? Yes that wright they go to a free site or and addrest site that would list me if I put on a wig, and a good pair of fake tit's, That is if I shaved my mustash ?

[Bruno]

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I am one of those agency that don't pass or sell address , and home phone numbers. So dose that mean I am not a good service ? I think not 12 years we have helped 1000,s of men when they meet the girls its the girls choice to give him all the info he want's.
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I am sorry but when a agency begin "censure" my letter of the letter from my girlfriend and remove all contact information that we wish send to the other, i cannot call this a good agency... Galina have use these type of agency in the begin for the help in translation but we have wish a private e-mail for more personal letter... and the agency have always remove my e-mail address from my letter and the e-mail address from her letter.

And what if i wish send some gift by post !!! Obligate to use the service of agency ? Because they refuse transmit the address same when she wish...

And for the meeting, obligate to use a invitation of agency because you don't know the address for the personal invitation...

Why wait until meeting ? Because you have no more choice and cannot more "censure" the speaking... these method of work is for obligate the man to use your full service and obligate the girls to stay at your agency... and so business is bad.

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100% this is a statment that promotes address sites and free services, and I have a good ? for you about that. A full service agency that's good kick the scammers out of their program when this happens were to you think these girls go? Yes that wright they go to a free site or and addrest site that would list me if I put on a wig, and a good pair of fake tit's, That is if I shaved my mustash ?
[line]

What allow you to say this... my site is free but i control the woman, certainly more that some agency where it is need to pay... a site free of scammer, it is my reputation, publicity... i am a very little site and i need these reputation... several pay agency stay scammer listed because they earn money...

One time, i have detect a scam... a woman was posting all letter from Turky and say she live in Sebastopol... I have contact other agency who have these lady listed and they have control the IP... the same IP from Turky on a periode of one year... Several agency have remove the ads but one have keep the profile of lady... when i have ask why, they have reply : "These lady is very good for shell, we make good money"...

And more, some business marriage agency propose money ( 20$) for who refert sexy lady ... a perfect method for have a scam... some woman go refert all his friend same when they are no interested for be married...

If i have start my own site, my hobby, it is because i don't trust anymore all these agency who make money on love and feeling... the business can win enough money on side service in place of shell address of obligate the client to stay with the agency because a lack of contact information and censure...

All this is a general meaning, i don't know how yourself work... but from what you say about your agency, i go not trust it... you wait until the meeting for allow contact information ( only because you cannot block the woman to give his information in this case )

[KenC]

Mark,

I understand where you are coming from, but your agency is the exception, not the rule.  For those of you who do not know of Lifetime Partners here is my take on them regarding communication with women listed on their site:

LTP is a great help in communications.  They offer free email to and from the women.  They offer free interpretations too.  (It is free once the man pays and joins their program)  LTP also encourages the men to help each other in carrying small gifts or paperwork back and forth from the US and Tver.  (I always thought this was great)  The women do not have to have a computer or even pay for computer time at a cafe.

Still, this is vauable only in the beginning of the process and eventually the couple has to cut the ties to the agency and find their own way in the relationship.  This may come later at LTP because of their integrety and the convenience of the services they offer, but it too will be removed from the communications at some point in time.  My personal opinion is thet too many men expect too much from agencies and take too little responsibility for their own actions.  In closing, I think the advice given is good, but it may not apply to LTP as much as other agencies.

KenC

[Marc Dayton]

Mr. Bruno,

I can simpley say to you my service is not for you, We are not looking for men that don't need a full service. Their is 10,000 service on the internet that just like yours offers their style of service so should I say since your site is free that all you have is Girls that pay you to get them matched or old hags and 75% of your girls are scammers, I think not just because your service is free it dose not mean all your girls are old and fat and looking for a green card.

Get my point ?

We offer a style of service that gives the man the upper hand in the long run. We offer things that no other service gives him. If you think sending gifts to girl is a hang up not a problem, photos of the girl not a problem. I know you are pro giveing free contacks so your statment is one sided base on the type os service you offer, and thats O.K.  For my 10 years. I would not do the free be to save my life, but that still dosenot make you bad.

That old saying in life comes to my mind here be careful of what you pay for in a service sometimes you get just what you asked for nuthing!

Mr. Bruno,

What can you do for a man when meeting the girls, wile he is in Russia, what can you do for him after the match wile he waiting for his lady to come here, what can you do to help him once his lady is here. What can you do if he has problems once she gets here. What can you do for him at all to help him, and even one more ? for you what can you do for her once she is here. How do you help her ajust to life here. If she is in a bad marriage and needs help what can you do to help her ?

If you can do all that for free I need to work for you, but I am not free

Once a man is in my service he gets all these service and more, and we find a way to take care of her too.

Mr. Bruno

I new you and I would not see eye to eye on anything! Sometime agency make me think of Churches we all try and preach how bad the other one is. I am not a saint nor will I preach agenst your church.

P.S. you should be glad their are agency like mine, We paid the bill for their to be agency like your,s 12 years has opend the doors for services just like your so called free site ?

I wish you luck on your saint hood

 

 

 

 

[Bruno]

It seem that i have hurt the 'beast'...


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I can simpley say to you my service is not for you, We are not looking for men that don't need a full service.
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I have use the full service of one agency ... and because they don't allow personal contact until meeting, they have remove address and telephone number from the letter of Galina... And when i have meet Galina, she have ask for remove her profile but they have refuse... for test, i have pay the contact information of Galina with a other name, write to her via the agency... and i have receive some reply... not from Galina but from the agency itself...


[line]
Their is 10,000 service on the internet that just like yours offers their style of service so should I say since your site is free that all you have is Girls that pay you to get them matched or old hags and 75% of your girls are scammers, I think not just because your service is free it dose not mean all your girls are old and fat and looking for a green card.
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Actually, i don't know one agency who work like me... i don't receive something from both woman or man... i am more like a internet newspaper with ads... and i am not a real agency but it is more a hobby... of course, the middle age of my ladies is more high that several marriage agency where you need to pay... but it is because several of these young ladies don't pass my anti-scam control... And about scammer, i have more man scammer that ladies !!!


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What can you do for a man when meeting the girls, wile he is in Russia, what can you do for him after the match wile he waiting for his lady to come here, what can you do to help him once his lady is here. What can you do if he has problems once she gets here. What can you do for him at all to help him, and even one more ? for you what can you do for her once she is here. How do you help her ajust to life here. If she is in a bad marriage and needs help what can you do to help her ?

[line]


All this i side service and i agree that some money can be ask for this... i don't offer any type of side service service... but i am always ready to reply to people who ask help of have some question, like i make on these forum... i send them the URl from translator, from other agency who organize tour, from specialist in the visa procedure... and i refert not only one but several, for give the choice to my 'guest'.

[line]
I new you and I would not see eye to eye on anything! Sometime agency make me think of Churches we all try and preach how bad the other one is. I am not a saint nor will I preach agenst your church.
[line]

I have never say that you are a bad agency but one of your statement have shock me : "I am one of those agency that don't pass or sell address , and home phone numbers... when they meet the girls its the girls choice to give him all the info he want's" ... Why don't you allow the ladies to give some contact information before the meeting... fear too loose money ?


[line]
P.S. you should be glad their are agency like mine, We paid the bill for their to be agency like your,s 12 years has opend the doors for services just like your so called free site ?
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When i have start my first site a long time again, i have stay actief only one year... i was free and wish to stay... my bill was more that 1000$ month only for phone ( in these time, modem 14kb/s was the best )... and i have never receive money from agency like you...

Now, with my connection broaband tv cable, 250 mb server place, 5 e-mail address, 40 gb transfer month, illimited transfer from server, domain name... i pay only 12.5 euro month ( around 15$ )... money is no more a problem... i spare two wisky month and i pay my charge... only my time is limited... of course, i have a sponsor, a other marriage agency with full service... and i have earn some little $ in december and nothing since... why my guest go pay for something they can have free with me... since my site grow, they have no more interest in other place...

Of course, it is not easy... some woman receive letter from big agency for remove her profil, other agency attack me with virus, other list me on black list from mail server in russia ( i am always listed at potcha.ru but i am not in the white list from mail.ru )...


[line]
I wish you luck on your saint hood
[line]


Thank, i need it since the big one don't like little outsider like me... i have nothing too loose and i am not afraid... I have not attack you personaly, i have only explain what have happend to me and Galina... But your attack show only that your are not the exception like have write Ken... you are like the other

[ConnerVT]

I have never say that you are a bad agency but one of your statement have shock me : "I am one of those agency that don't pass or sell address , and home phone numbers... when they meet the girls its the girls choice to give him all the info he want's" ... Why don't you allow the ladies to give some contact information before the meeting... fear too loose money ?

I'll come to Marc's defense on this one.  Yes, Bruno, you are exactly right.  Fear that his business will not make money.  This is not a crime, is it?  For a business to make money?

Marc's business model could be used to scam men out of money.  And other's that emulate it certainly have done just that in the past.  But Marc (and the previous LTP owners) have kept very high professional ethics, and understand not to bite the hand that feeds them.  A large majority of former LTP client's (myself included), even those who have not been successful using this agency, still give positive feedback about their experiences with LTP.

[Marc Dayton]

I am one of those agency that don't pass or sell address , and home phone numbers. So dose that mean I am not a good service ? I think not 12 years we have helped 1000,s of men when they meet the girls its the girls choice to give him all the info he want's.
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I am sorry but when a agency begin "censure" my letter of the letter from my girlfriend and remove all contact information that we wish send to the other, i cannot call this a good agency... Galina have use these type of agency in the begin for the help in translation but we have wish a private e-mail for more personal letter... and the agency have always remove my e-mail address from my letter and the e-mail address from her letter.


My agency is not this agency you miss the whole point of my service. I will say it over and over my service is not for everbody. If that affends you then I think you have other problems.

Are we all to buy all your crying and winning about poor you and how you make no money for your service. Thats your choice not my choice. This is not a hobby for me. This is my life!! so if I chose not to provide a free service I have earn the wright do so.

100% I am not the service you used so how can you say anything about me, The men on this board are the only ones that can say good or bad.

Why are you winning and crying about the money you spent it was your choice just like my choice to spend about 10K per mounth to have a service that has a higher standard of services, this is not saying you have a lower standard. We just do things a driffrent way. That dosenot make one of us right or wrong.

It seem that i have hurt the 'beast'

it seems to me your the one doing all the crying over nuthing if you want me to tell the world that your so good I can't.  Let the men that have the right to say good or bad say it. Let each man make up his own mind what type of service fits hits need,s

If you know something for fact about an agency then tell it like it is, but if you only think you know something them keep it to yourslef,  you know nuthing about my service.

Should I compair you to Hitler just because you are the same race. Hell no just like you should not compaire me to the agency you worked with as we are 100% driffrent agencys Just like your 100% not Hitler ?

Censure his mail I am not a free service what the hell do you want from me. A man knows up front how are services works hell if he wants to, and yes pay the service fees up fron,t I will contack each girl, and if she wants him to have her contack info I will give it to him. Once agen this is not for all men his choice to use or not use my service!!

last but least how can I how can I obligate a man to use my service if its not for him why whould he use it in the first place. Why would he use my service, unless he had other plans like trying to get around the service. Hay your choice if you don,t want the help of a full service "what the hell don't use the service", and we all are happy.

One more thing their is nuthing that stops one girl in are program from listing her bio on a free site or on and addrest site she has the same right to use are service or not use are service. So if she wanted a free be site she would be their, but not all Russian Woman want men that come for 1 or 2 days then go to the next free site. I will keep the next line to mysleff.

Bruno

Is it O.K. for a Russian Woman to use or not use my service. For her own reasons. Or dose it also make her not a good person to meet because she wants a higher standard in the type of service she is in.

P.S. this year I have droped over 400 bios from my site. so once agen I am not the agency you used so you have no clue of what your talking about, and that makes you talks from out of your back side . This is not about you or about me so stop crying let the men make the calls on good or bad.

When you walk the walk you are the parson to be heard. You have the wright to used  what is best for you!, and tell the rest of us how you felt about it.

 

 

[Bruno]

Marc, you have begin these threat with a question about the rule number 3... i have explain it and give a example from a agency i have used before and where i have know problem...

And you reply me in your second post "I am one of these agency...", and in your last one "My agency is not this agency..."

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100% I am not the service you used so how can you say anything about me, The men on this board are the only ones that can say good or bad.

[line]

And so have begin these fight... i have always reply to your own words... yes, i have never use your own service and don't know it... but i can read what you write on your post... you have always give me the material for reply to you... i have invent nothing...

And in my second post, i write : "All this is a general meaning, i don't know how yourself work... but from what you say about your agency, i go not trust it... ".


[line]
Why are you winning and crying about the money you spent it was your choice just like my choice to spend about 10K per mounth to have a service that has a higher standard of services, this is not saying you have a lower standard. We just do things a driffrent way. That dosenot make one of us right or wrong.
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Why i speak about the money i use... read your own post : "We paid the bill for their to be agency like your's"... it is my choice of course but you say that you pay for me !!!! It was need to explain that i receive nothing from someone like you...


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If you know something for fact about an agency then tell it like it is, but if you only think you know something them keep it to yourslef,  you know nuthing about my service.
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I know from you what you have write and how you react to my reply...


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Censure his mail I am not a free service what the hell do you want from me. A man knows up front how are services works hell if he wants to, and yes pay the service fees up fron,t I will contack each girl, and if she wants him to have her contack info I will give it to him.
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Finally, the reply i have wait from the beginning.... and who explain a little more the work of your agency ... you are a some kind matchmaking agency and until the matchmaking fee are pay, man and woman can communicate freely and send each other contact information if they have the desire... if you have explain this in your second post... all was more simple....


[line]
P.S. this year I have droped over 400 bios from my site. so once agen I am not the agency you used so you have no clue of what your talking about, and that makes you talks from out of your back side .
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Again, it was you who open the pandora box with : "should I say since your site is free that all you have is Girls that pay you to get them matched or old hags and 75% of your girls are scammers"... And i have explain how i work and problem i have know with other agency... but like each time you take this personaly...

I have nothing against agency who ask money for service... i have listed one in the commercial section and next month, i go list a other who work with a matchmaking free before start.... but like have write Ken : "your agency is the exception, not the rule"

[Marc Dayton]

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I am one of those agency that don't pass or sell address , and home phone numbers. So dose that mean I am not a good service ? I think not 12 years we have helped 1000,s of men when they meet the girls its the girls choice to give him all the info he want's.


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I am sorry but when a agency begin "censure" my letter of the letter from my girlfriend and remove all contact information that we wish send to the other, i cannot call this a good agency... Galina have use these type of agency in the begin for the help in translation but we have wish a private e-mail for more personal letter... and the agency have always remove my e-mail address from my letter and the e-mail address from her letter.

And what if i wish send some gift by post !!! Obligate to use the service of agency ? Because they refuse transmit the address same when she wish...

And for the meeting, obligate to use a invitation of agency because you don't know the address for the personal invitation...

Why wait until meeting ? Because you have no more choice and cannot more "censure" the speaking... these method of work is for obligate the man to use your full service and obligate the girls to stay at your agency... and so business is bad


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100% this is a statment that promotes address sites and free services, and I have a good ? for you about that. A full service agency that's good kick the scammers out of their program when this happens were to you think these girls go? Yes that wright they go to a free site or and addrest site that would list me if I put on a wig, and a good pair of fake tit's, That is if I shaved my mustash ?

Bruno question for you!

Are these words yours ? talking about censure mail,Obligate, and so business is bad. This is where pandoras box is opend, and why I asked you if it would be fair for me to compair you with other free services. 100% your words that you used in a vary strong context to blast full service agency for your personal needs or problems with you mail to Galina. Yes I take this 100% personal for two reasons you put me in a bad light, but thats not the worst part. These new men reading your post may think you know what your talking about. That affends me!

This is why it affends me, and don't take as I mean your service. I have had 6 men call me from Russia after they went to one of these free sites or address sites ( not your program )

Stuck in an Russian airport or some city this girl is not real can't find her . Help what do I do. You may have been in Russia many times, so have lots of men on this board, but a first timmer well just think how he feels. Tthis is not a hobby for me its my LIFE so yes when some man has bean riped off it affends me 100%

No agency can claim 100% that they are perfict no person can claim they no all their is to know about each girl in their progream. For this reason and this reason alone you me and other agency must be held to a higher standard on the things we say on this board or anyother board. In my country we are 100% obligated to a mans safety we can just say ops if something happens to him.  If you wan't to open pandora,s box their is a lot of things I can say, but their is also a lot of good in free sites , and some addrest sites.

Full service agency have a lot of good to offer too. Its starts with saftey first for those who need it. Samples

Jack- he 100% travils with his service it starts for him with saftey, and ends with knowing who he works for and how to help them to the day his men find their wife.

Kevin spends much time to provide saftey to men before they get on a plain and has a staff to take care of all the men that use his service,and  he is their after as well.

I take care of my men before dearing and after their trip to Russia. Its about service for us plain and simple taken care of all his needs.

Men Like Jack, Kevin we also clean up after free services and addrest sites that leave a man stuck in Russia.

Yes we pay the bills for services like your's it has nuthing to do with "MONEY" it has to with oppening the doors for services like yours to offer the type of services you wan't to offer.

You are not the great white hope, and we are not eather, but if we the good services keep doing what we belive to be a good a clean honest service  then together we can give men to wright to use the services that best fits his needs.

Its all about his choice not yours or my choice!  (Can I get an amen.)  This still sounds like one church preaching to another church to me.

Lets move foward, this is my last post to you about this. Men on the board can say what they think about are service, and I can live by the word of those who have used my service.

 

 

 

 

 

[Photo Guy]

I don't know what the reputation of AnastasiaWeb is.
The worst thing about them, is that they won't pass certain info
in an email. Phone #'s, or email addresses, URL's.

They do allow postal addresses to pass through.
Reading or sending an email has a range of prices, depending on
how many credits you buy at once. I often buy 8 credits for $56  US.
That's $7 per. At first I thought this was over-priced, but that price
includes translation. I checked with local translators here in
Phoenix and a typical price is $20 for a page or two. So $7 isn't bad.
And sending a translated email is very convenient.

I was desperate to speak with her by phone. I used Anastasia's
three-way phone conversation, which involved a translator
in Moscow. Mucho bucks. Expensive. That's a perfect example
of a reason to eliminate the agency, in my opinion.

Lucky for me, my friend's new wife Oksana, will translate for me
during future calls. I'll use my phone card, Zaptel, for like
$1.50 for ten minutes. A major savings.

Larisa will not be allowed to email me her phone number.
I'm waiting for her next postal letter, including that number.
Her letter in Russian, will be translated by Oksana, for a
nominal fee.

When I go to Ukraine, I'll arrange lodgings and an interpreter
on my own, independent of the AnastasiaWeb agency. I'll
compare prices. I'll try to be frugal.

I have used AnastasiaWeb for a number of other reasons
besides the translated emails service. The agency tells me
the woman's zodiac sign, whether or not she has kids,
and there is often more than one photo. Also, I can send a
first email to a woman, and she can look at my online profile
to see if I'm her type.

General questions:

Is it a good idea to place ads in publications in Ukraine cities?
Online ads?

How about agencies that do personalized matchmaking?   -doug L.

[Photo Guy]

[user=170]Marc Dayton[/user] wrote:

Bruno.
I am one of those agency that don't pass or sell address , and home phone numbers.

As a consumer, I would gravitate toward agencies that do
supply addresses or allow it to pass through. For me, that's
a major plus. Without a means for direct contact, I would feel
a lack of control of the process, and too restricted.  -doug L.

[Marc Dayton]

Photo Man,

Thats what its all about is choice, your choice to use a service that best suits your needs and wants.

A good full service agency will let you talk to your girl and provide free interputer for your calls as we do for are members. We don't make money per letter per phone call. We are only paid if we provide you the service you want to use.

If you take a trip with us we are paid. If you don't take a trip with us we make nuthing and thats the way it should be.

Lot,s of letter services don't care if you make a trip or not they make their money up front, and thats what they care about upfront services. We care about the match thats why we call are sleffs marriage services.

Good luck

[Bruno]

Doug,  the agency i have know problem is not these from Marc, of these AnastasiaWeb... it is a other big agency... now that i think a little more, i don't know the name or URL from the agency of Marc ...

Marc, my reaction have begin like these of Doug... about "I am one of those agency that don't pass or sell address , and home phone numbers... when they meet the girls its the girls choice to give him all the info he want's"

And i think that several people don't like so service... not because of your own business but because it is several other business who work so and lead to problem...

If i good understand, you work with full package of service.... maybe a good method of work will be with contract... the customer sign a contract that he pay a fee in case of marriage... of maybe like some local agency in our country... customer pay a smal start fee for the administative expense and in case of marriage ( matchmaking ) the customer pay the rest of the fee...

And i agree that full service are a big help... i know a agency who ask a start fee of 250 euro ( +-350$ )... first pay and after begin the service... they make matchmaking, it mean search for a suitable woman, take care of all paperwork, translation, organize the marriage, organize course of integration, ... only price of trip are not included because they change a lot in function of the periode of trip....  In short, they take care of the man from the very beginning until ... they have no limit in the time !!! These agency allow personal contact too without interference of the agency... because the man have already pay the fee... and these little agency ( a french man and a russian woman ) have make more of 100 marriage last year ( and 8 baby from previous marriage )... 250 euro one time pay for full service is cheap.... and i think that same 1000 euro is cheap for a help who lead to the marriage... ( again, i speak about price without trip ).

And about free site, i agree that it is not the right place for newbies... of maybe they can try after the read of all RWD... several free site are not working with people but with automatic program who control nothing... and i can say that only the control of IP have lead to a lot of profile in the garbage in the first month of my site... around 40% woman and 60% of man... now, the % begin more low since people begin know about my control...

But in all site, free of pay, we cannot certify at 100% until we know what the woman think... we can control his geographic position, control his official document but not more...

Marc, you speak that i have open the pandora box... what need to make... say to all newbies that all is perfect, that they need to trust every agency, try himself for see when the service is good...

The best service for newbies, it is to explain all our bad adventure... this can allow these newbies to learn about all possible problem and choice what kind of service they will.

And when i say that my site is my hobby, i need to explain a little more... it is a hobby because i don't make my work of this and i earn nothing... but this don't mean that i am not serious in my hobby... my hobby use more time that my real work and i give all these time for help people... and why is wish help people ? Because i don't wish they know the problem is have know before... i will share my personal experience... and when i don't know, i use my time for search the information...

And for be honest, i begin think that my choice to build a site was not good... it help people but not a lot... what help really people is a forum like these, where people can be educate and find his own way...

You will stop the dicussion and it is ok for me... now, people go read your and my post about this... some go agree with you and some not... they go choose what they feel the best for them.

What i have write is only my personal meaning... i wish some control on my life, specialy when it is about the choice of a life partner... and sometime, i wish some privacy when i write to a potential life partner... when i write to a woman, i say enough personal thing and i don't appreciate when someone other can read it...

Your agency is perfect for people who don't control is own life and give his destiny in hand of other... but what after the marriage... these man go life with his RW and not you... the agency who have help them... yes, the way before the marriage is more easy because your help but it can be a nightware after because the man have not learn to control his own fate...

Again, it is my personal meaning and it is general... no specific about you and your agency

 

[Marc Dayton]

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[Marc Dayton]

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Jack - my opinion of the big tour agencies is for any guy to stay away.  I make no bones about it.  Perhaps a newbie who is totally afraid of travel may want to use them - but why use one of the big three when he could accomplish the same with your agency or an agency's like Marcs.  I do not want to name them by name, but they all charge 3000 plus dollars for roughly 10 day trips to different places in the FSU.  OK, it includes travel, but big deal - guys are royally getting hosed by them economically for perhaps lowest chance of all approaches to meet a quality woman.  All for what - eye candy.  We have seen them move through the bigger cities in the FSU to smaller and smaller markets like a plague, ruining the hopes, expectations and opinion of FSU women.  They have been a magnet for girls of low character, ie. prostitutes, green card girls and other scammers.  I have personally been to socials from two of the three agencies and learned the hard way through my own eyes that the chance for me to meet a high character girl was extremely low.  Sure I could have met a beautiful Miss tonight, but I did not come anywhere close to meeting Miss right.  Having met alot of American men on tours and during the time I have used other smaller agencies in the FSU who used the big agencies and were disappointed I believe all three are very similar in that they do not know the women in their program nearly well enough to know anything about the girl's character (heck, sometimes they do not even know if she exists or is a photo), are slow to pull girls photos off their websites, do not check on their girls in anything close to what I would call a frequent manner, often have never met the girl other than when they take a girl's photo at one of their tour events, drive women away from the process by marginalizing women at their events through the cattle market approach.  They just advertise in town that they will be holding a "social" on such a such date to meet American men and that drinks and food will be provided to women who attend in local publications, along with whatever women happened to write / send their photos to their office who live close by.  It is all pot luck.  I would not recommend that any guy trust pot luck when searching for their wife to be in the FSU.  I strongly believe a man, by using a reputable full service marriage agency in the FSU such as Marc's, or by using your agency for ala carte services, to attend your parties or 100% immersion and dedication to your approach, or by getting a translator / guide connected to or who knows the type single women a client is looking for to help him get by with everything are the three best ways for an average guy to find what I term a high quality / character girl from the FSU.  One other point -  I believe purchasing addresses from any of the big three companies is high risk as well.  Though you can find a girl who actually exists, especially with AFA, it still is all up to the guy to do everything he can to know about the girl.  How well is she even checked by any of the big three........................for the occasional girl who drops into their regional office and submits photos, a little.  What percent of girls do they have any follow up conversation what so ever, other to contact when they get "business" from a client I believe is virtually none (maybe a few people in their regional office staff have friends).  Once an agency gets too big, and goes to so many places any sense of the personal service I believe a good agency will provide to both men and women in the process is virtually erased.
Hi I just hijacked Bruce post, but is well put from a mans point of view.

 

[Bruno]

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Yes, ME! ME! ... ME! I post about what I know because it my OWN experience... and you use a lot time the word "I" in your post ... like everybody...

OK, Bruno go write like the caesar from Rome for make litlle Marc happy... He go no more use the banned word ... Don't worry anymore, he go no more reply to your post. Now you are free to say that agency like you are the best in the world and all the rest is ****. He have read the post of Jack before you copy it !!! You are so short in argument that you need copy the post of other people... If Bruno have good read, it is again a personal opinion with a lot of time the banned word

[Marc Dayton]

So know you want to censure the words of the men who use the serice by saying it week. 100% all you care about is You.

These are the men that use a service like your and mine, and you call them week.

Stop your danm crying and twisting of words. Let the men that use the service tell their storys, and if you can't live with that then you need to get a new life!

 

[Bruce]

Sometimes you guys crack me up!  In general it is best to get a girl's address / email / phone number without an agency and correspond yourself.   In general, if you have to use an agency to get an address it is best to get the agency out of the picture as soon as possible - ie. just buy the address and forget about any more agency help.  However, there are certain agencies that offer full service packages that really do their best to help both the guy and the girl communicate as much as they want (provided the guy pays the fee - but remember we are talking a full service honest agency here with a track record) - and Marc's agency, through the many successful marriages over the years and their committment to excellence has indeed earned them that right.  Marc's agency, Goldenringbrides.com is the only agency I know from first hand experience that passes the test.  So, there are exceptions to the rule.  Disclaimer - I do not work for Marc's agency or get one cent from goldenringbrides.   I did use Marc's agency, was a client of his in 2000, 2001 and was an unsuccesful client due to my poor choices and what I felt was an inability his agency to recruit the childless girls with the look I desired at the time.  Since then Marc no longer is just a "salesman," but is an owner and through his efforts has revitalized his agency.  Thats why I would not hesitate to recommend his agency for any guy.  Why would any guy want to go on a tour when they could get the personalized attention of an agency who looks out for them while at the same time they can, on a one on one basis meet just as pretty and more importantly high character, quality girls than they could on a tour for less money???  Any guy who knows this and goes on a tour is absolutely brain dead.

[Michelangelo]

ok, I have been reading the discussion between Marc and Bruno.

For all of you new guys out there, I will add my advise.  NEVER use an agency that does not allow you to contact your girl.

I have, and it was a disaster.  You end up writing letters that you do not know she will rececive without being edited.  You end up waiting a week to get a reply from your girl because some agencies are slow in translating.  You do not have access to SMS, which is one of the best ways of getting to know your girl.

You cannot drop letters in the postal mail to her.

In short, use an agency that allows you to "buy" contact information.  You will be glad you did.

[Bruno]

Bruce, Marc and other... now, i have visit the site of Marc : Golden Bride...

Before begin, you need to pay a membership fee ( you have too a free trial )... and in the agrement of these membership, you can read the following :


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We are a full service agency, so we don't sell address or phone numbers of any of the ladies in our program. We will not accept letters from you with your address or phone numbers attached.
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Because the agency don't allow you to receive contact information, you need use the full service... the membership cover e-mail fowarding and translation... for meeting, you cannot use a personal visa of a invitation of ladies because you have no contact information... you need a invitation from the agency... but nowhere it is speak about this... nothing about telephone communication, same a 3 way !!! All you have, it is the possibility to send some gift via the agency ( the price are usual for so service )... the other service is the trip service :


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Trip Services
- Our customer care includes the following services:
- Organizing unlimited meetings of the beautiful ladies of your choice
- Full time counselors/translator & activity coordinator
- Private accommodation
- Visa registration
- Fiancies Visa documentation complete translations service
- After care e-mail service

$200.00/day - $250.00/day after 1 March

Additional trip services
Driver's fees:
Round trip Moscow Tver $75 each way
Interpreter with Driver $15 each way
Round Trip Ivanovo Moscow $110 each way
Interpreter with Driver $20 each way
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On these price, you need to add the trip itself, the price of visa, ... because they are not listed in the trip service...

Now, what Bruno think... it is very expensive for a full service agency who don't give a real full service... with only the driver fee, you can go from Moscow to Vladivostock... with the 200$ day, you have the stay with translation service.... same the hilton in our Western country is more cheap...

And all this without speak one time with the woman... you need trust 100% a agency who censure your letter...

Now newbies, you have the original information listed on the site Golden bride... if you are ready to spend so big amount of money without listen the voice of your lady, without know where she life, i recommend these service ... in all other case, use Google... you go find thousand of other agency.

This post is the last from Bruno about these agency... if you wish know more visit the site at  http://www.goldenringbrides.com ...

Now some other post about Lifetimepatner and GoldenRingBrides ( associates agency )...

Marc, you say to be in the business from 12 year... a post nick from UK 30/08/2004 :


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Like the others who have posted, I've been over to Tver ... the agency has been sold (actually it's been sold twice - but that's a long story!) so from the US end there have been some changes. However, perhaps more importantly, there have been some very big changes at the Russian end of the operation as well. A big part of making this sort of thing successful (IMHO) is the people who are actually on the ground in Russia. LTP used to have some really great people working for them. However, please note that I did say USED to! When the business was sold for the first time, I think it was about a year or 18 months ago, they lost a lot of business and many of the interpreters didn't get any regular pay for quite a long time ( I think that the new owner was just using the business as a "tax loss" and so didn't really want the income anyway ). As a result, quite a few of them left the company and set up on their own (they're called Tverromance.com). If you're going to be over in Tver anyway then it might be worthwhile having a word with them (or having a look at their website). This might seem like a bit of unashamed promotion, but these were the guys that made the whole LTP operation so professional in Tver and, to be honest, in this sort of business it really is the people that you are dealing with on the ground in Russia that are more important than anyone back home (the guys back home in the office in California ARE back home - they're not there in Tver) so I'm really happy to give them a recommendation as they are a genuinely professional and friendly outfit.
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This is not true. I also was working for Woody at the sametime we were all paid. LTP has made a lot of changes in our Tver office. We belive the changes are for the best. Sometimes it works for each party to start over. I wish her the best of luck after all she was trained by the best.
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Now the question of Bruno... Who are you Marc... the owner of LPT and GRB with 12 year experience... of someone who work for these agency ? Maybe Bruno can reply with your own words from September 2003 from your personal profile on planet-love :


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8 years with www.lifetimepartners.com agency just to let you know upfront.Lived in Tver Russia for 1 1/2 years doing the girls photos and videos. I am also starting a new agency called www.goldenringbrides.com ...
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If Bruno read good, you was photographer ( and make video ) for LTP during 8 year... but only since 2003, your are the owner from GRB... where are the 12 year experience ????

Do you wish more ??? Bruno have never attack personaly your agency in his previous post... He have only reply to what you write yourself ... and give a general meaning... but you have push him to make now a personal attack... to you and your site... and he make it without problem and he give some evidence...

When someone push Bruno to the extrem, he can attack very strong... certainly when you don't accept dialogue... something important in marriage relation, your business. Maybe you need go back work like photographer... the photo on the site are almost perfect... 

[Bruce]

Bruno - sure Goldenringbrides is not perfect, but the model has indeed worked for alot of guys over the years and I know no other agency that has approached their level of service for such a long period of time.  Of course a guy has to pay, but if he gets a great wife from his time dealing with the service it is well worth it.  Yes guys have to rely on the agency for letter writing but I always found the turn around time very quick on getting my letters to girls.  Some girls took their time writing back, but I am sure they wrote letters from the girls to me very promptly (I believe within one business day).  If I remember correctly, guys can call and speak to the girl in the agency.  One thing you have to remember is that the Goldenring model aims to get guys over to really meet the women in the program.  They are not looking for keyboard romeos and letter writers who never show up!  It is a waste of the girl's and their time ultimately if the guy does not show up.  Marc could write more about this issue.  The reality is that goldenringbrides is looking for a certain kind of client.  Some guys want an address and want to do everything themselves.  Other guys are looking for the best service in the business.  Goldenringbrides is a continuing proven long term method of success for many guys and girls.  They are perhaps the most successful (percentage of guys still married to the girls they found through their service) of all agencies because they concentrate on at least attractive (now that the old owner is deposed of) girls of quality character. 

[KenC]

ok, I have been reading the discussion between Marc and Bruno.

For all of you new guys out there, I will add my advise. NEVER use an agency that does not allow you to contact your girl.

I have, and it was a disaster.

 

This is normally good advice, but Lifetime Partners is the exception here.  I have used them and they were nothing but professional and helpful.  They gave the couples access to each other via email without involving an Internet cafe or any additional fees.  Never say never.

KenC

[Bruno]

Bruce,

you wish successfull agency... 95% of guy married in the year... see the list at http://www.katiarencontres.com/infoscouples.htm ... only one problem... they work with maximum 20 man in same time... only so, they can use a maximum of time for the perfect help... of course, it is not free ... one time fee ( 250 euro ) after interview ( they select the man )...

KenC,

Of course they are a exception : see at http://www.goldenringbrides.com/about_success.php in the part "Agency comparisons", "What they don't want you to know", and "This is why choose Lifetime Partners & Golden Ring Brides"... Marc say that all other agency are bad with a lot of scammer and that only his agency is good... sorry, so commercial strategy don't allow me to trust the agency... when you show your own quality, i agree... but what they write not...

KenC, you say you have use these service... can you say when... the agency have always the same name but a lot of change have appear these last year... two time new owner, the good original staff away for buid a new site  http://www.tverromance.com , visit it and you go see that the service are the same that Marc but nowhere they say bad thing of all other agency ... and the agency policy is very explicit...

Marc is only after money, he have only beautiful top model ( for attract client ) ... remeber his post about fat of old woman.... the other agency give his chance to everywoman... you have some woman who are not so beautifull... if you fall in love of photo, go to Marc... if you fall in love of woman, go to the other...

And more, Marc is friendly like a cactus... he fell itself attack by each post same when i write that it is general and not about him... there is no smoke without fire... something is wrong with these guys and i don't trust him...