your ace in the hole

[Trenchcoat]

as tough as life can get for many women in the FSU, they "need" a man to soften life for them. one who can be a solid foundation to rest their femininity on and hide behind after a day of carrying the world on their shoulders. life is tough for many, thus the term you hear so much of "i want a strong man". one who can take the constant pressure that is life here off them. they adore being a women and all that it includes.

and this is your "ace". know that if you do come here and be a "real" man to them and let them indulge in their feminity, you will be rewarded beyond your imagination. know that it is your responsibility to take this burden (or at least lessen it) from them. know that in a day and age where gender gets harder and harder to define, there is still a place where a man is a man and a woman is a woman. you are the man, be the man ( as a woman would define it) and relish in the role. its one thing that you have on your side that's gives you an advantage.

I agree with you Bill this is indeed an excellent post and answers what women over there can often be getting at with the 'real man' term that can commonly come up. How much a FSW may want from you to fulfill her 'real man' criteria may vary but probably the prettier ones will expect more.

Chivo in this post correctly identifies the female nature in this post I think which is not so easy for a Western Man to identify in a Western Woman. I'm the West life has been pretty easy for most women that they don't see that there is a reason or place to have a man. The boom in White Collar work in clean, comfortable office environments over the last few decades and technology making everyday life easier along with more affluence and equal pay has meant that Western Women haven't experienced the hardship that can face many FSW.

In some respects life in Russia & Ukraine was becoming more prosperous and comfortable, particularly for the wealthier class in the FSU but Putler's invasion of Ukraine has reset all of that, the bad old times are back in both countries now. Now many refugees from both countries have no wish to return, that homesickness has dispersed the more familiar with their host country they have become and no desire to return to a shattered economy in either of those countries where they will likely suffer badly.

It is true though that men's role was historically to save the woman from hardship. No woman in the West a century or so ago wanted to know about the dirty, grotty, hard jobs. Jobs got easier and more bearable in the West and then women wanted in lol.

[olgac]

yeah I just replied in the other thread on this. There are few men like that right now in the west than 20-30 years ago unfortunately. So marrying with a hope to be with such a man then being bitterly disappointed is what happens in most cases.
I my experience these women don't want to be tough but the life has made them tough, and they are usually much more savvy in financial decisions for family than many western men are! It becomes harder and harder for them to respect the decisions the man makes. They want to let go and let him handle it, but the trust disappears and they realize they can't let go and need to guide him like a child!

Like for example my young friend who came here 3 years ago on green card lottery has figured out how to build a credit history, her credit score is over 800. She is shocked when she meets men who don't understand hoe hard credit inquiries and credit card debt affects their score, and they don't know many other things she has figured out in how to navigate the system,, how not to get into student loan, credit card debts, how to advance your career, even how to find a doctor in the network, how to get SSI and Medicare for your parent.  she often has to teach THEM stuff on how to handle finances. So unfortunately she is realizing it's very hard just to "let go" and trust the man to solve all problems, there aren't many men she can trust to take over unfortunately.

Recently a husband of a friend lost a coushy federal job and she was looking for a new job. She told him she has overheard a phone call with employer during which he was whining and complaining how he is sick, he was in emergency room over night and not feeling well, all in a whiny according to her voice all inappropriate for a job interview. Of course the company never called back this is an example of what leads a woman to not let go and trust him to handle things.

[2tallbill]

yeah I just replied in the other thread on this. There are few men like that right now in the west than 20-30 years ago unfortunately.

You are mostly complaining about beta men that women found here in
the USA. These men did not go to the FSU to find them. Men who get on
a plane to find a woman is not the same as the beta boy who has a degree
in trans poetry and three cats. 

This thread was written for men who will get on a plane. There are deeply
flawed men who will get on a plane, I have met them on planes, airports
and elsewhere, women need to weed out the losers just like the men need
to weed out women who are not good prospects for marriage. It goes both
ways.

That's my two kopects,
Bill

[Trenchcoat]

There are deeply flawed men who will get on a plane, I have met them on planes, airports and elsewhere

Would be interested in hearing the stories of these men Beel

[2tallbill]

Would be interested in hearing the stories of these men Beel

I was sitting in an airplane, and across the isle from me sat an older
retired navy man. He had borrowed money from his house with the
intention of meeting and marrying an FSUW in Dnepropetrovsk with
the intention of getting married an living happily ever after. He was
wearing a baseball type cap with the name of the aircraft carrier that
he was on from his navy days.

The guy was bringing an engagement ring with him for the meeting,
sure enough that everything was going to work out with wedding bells
that would be arriving soon enough. 

He started talking to me about all the problems that Ukraine had like
him and I were talking in a special secret language that nobody spoke
but us. I told him that everyone on the plane could speak English and
that they all knew Ukraine had problems better than everyone but
would be offended by us talking about those problems aloud publicly.

I pulled out my pack of gum and offered the old navy man some gum
and I also offered a stick to the guy sitting diagonally in the row ahead.
To which he said yes, thank you taking a stick for himself. When the old
navy man heard this he was surprised that our semi-private conversation
was actually semi-public.

When his girl/fiancé arrived she had big fake smiles and kisses for him
but I could see her eyes darting around so that she could see if anyone
saw her. He oblivious to her theatrics. This was his second trip his first
was to meet someone else but it didn't work out. This trip was the sure
he thought to work out but I could see she was just going through the
motions. 

Just standing there I could see that he was going to be lead around
until his money (and his ring was hers) then he would be traveling home
forlorn and alone soon enough.

All you have to do is watch from afar and their eyes will deceive them.
I've seen it a half dozen times.